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RE: "The Shack" - 7/6/2009 9:31:15 PM
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quietly50
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Yet God uses the foolish things to shame the wise.
Or a lot of people are so bible illiterate they can't tell what's right and what isn't.
Thanks. I read the boook and I liked it. Does that make me biblically illiterate? 
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 9:06:39 AM
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kmangel, your thoughts are wonderful! Yes, we need to meet people where they are. There are open doors such as Paul encountered at Mars Hill. We need to engage people at the place where they are vulnerable, open to the truth, and pray they enter in. Thanks.
You're welcome! I've learned to be patient with God to work in the lives of the people I love. I would rather barge right in but I know that seldom works in real life! So, I wait and watch carefully for God to open doors--then I move. My son (he's 25) is one such person who saw my copy of the Shack and asked if he could borrow it. I said yes and to let me know his thoughts. I know from past conversations he has an interest in Who God is and I'm hoping the book will open up a dialog with him about God. I've discussed The DaVinci Code with him and Passion of the Christ. It's all part of his journey until that day when he comes to know Jesus in a real and personal way.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 9:16:56 AM
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Why would Jesus die if there were not judgment?
Why would man need to repent if he were not a sinner?
Are we reading the same book?
the original draft of the book was filled with the author's views of universal reconciliation. that is the belief that once Jesus died, everyone became saved regardless of their beliefs. (ie, Jesus died to prevent judgement on everyone). on the surface most of that has been edited out of the book by the publisher who does not follow that belief system during rewrites a year long. however knowing the book's initial premise, it is still easy to see some of that philosophy in the book and in the author's current work. thus i believe people are reading the same book but with different criticial eyes.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 10:40:55 AM
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Why would Jesus die if there were not judgment?
Why would man need to repent if he were not a sinner?
Are we reading the same book?
the original draft of the book was filled with the author's views of universal reconciliation. that is the belief that once Jesus died, everyone became saved regardless of their beliefs. (ie, Jesus died to prevent judgement on everyone). on the surface most of that has been edited out of the book by the publisher who does not follow that belief system during rewrites a year long. however knowing the book's initial premise, it is still easy to see some of that philosophy in the book and in the author's current work. thus i believe people are reading the same book but with different criticial eyes.
Yes, when we 'know' certain things, like what you have shared here, it is very hard NOT to see those things. Thanks for sharing this.
I guess I am more critical of the sources. I have heard and read much criticism of this book. I liken much of it to a drive-by shooting. They just point and shoot at 'whatever' has the appearance of evil without even getting out of the car and getting to know who or what they are shooting at. Now that is evil. It is what Jesus called unrighteous judgment. It is judgment based on what others say or believe to be true, what you hear with your ears or see with your eyes rather than what is in the heart. I don't want to practice that kind of judgment and it comes all too easily, KWIM?
Perhaps those of us who have experience with this kind of evil are more sensitive to it. I have seen much destruction done to others based on this kind of practice. That's why I love the story of the obscene altar in Joshua 22. This is God's story of how men 'rightly' make judgments. And it involves getting up close and personal with the one we think has committed the offense. And in God's story, the unrighteous judgment is changed to righteous judgment and love and relationship are the result. I want to believe that is possible for us as well. And I do believe!
So I understand why you see this book the way you do and appreciate your sharing how you've come to your conclusions. It should make all of us tremble at the impact our words, attitudes, and actions can have on others. Bless ya, iwillfearnoevil.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 10:49:24 AM
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God does receive us just as we are, but His will is for us to grow more like Jesus of the Bible.
Bridges are wonderful tools to use...it's the material from which the bridge is made that is of concern here.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 11:17:45 AM
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Beautifully said, Doinky. 
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 12:14:57 PM
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God does receive us just as we are, but His will is for us to grow more like Jesus of the Bible.
Bridges are wonderful tools to use...it's the material from which the bridge is made that is of concern here.
So what would we say of the bridge the Apostle Paul used at Mars Hill? He is examining the objects of worship in Athens, objects of their worship, and he uses those objects from which to speak truth to those who will hear. The material they are made of are of great concern. Yet Paul uses this opportunity to engage them in a conversation. (Acts 17)
And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews, to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, though not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God, but under the law of Christ , that I might win those who are without law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. And I do all things for the sake of the gospel, that I may become a fellow partaker of it. I Cor 9:20-23
This is why I see it differently. Paul used many means to reach men and he reached many. I want to live as he did. And I think it significant that this passage ends with these words "that I may become a fellow partaker of it". It was important for Paul's partaking to use these various means to reach others. So for us there must also be a partaking of the gospel importance when we are willing to become what we are not for the sake of others.
It is very deep, very rich, very wonderful and I know I only begin to comprehend this kind of willingness. But I want to and I'm sure you do as well. Blessings.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 12:18:05 PM
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God does receive us just as we are, but His will is for us to grow more like Jesus of the Bible.
Bridges are wonderful tools to use...it's the material from which the bridge is made that is of concern here.
So what would we say of the bridge the Apostle Paul used at Mars Hill? He is examining the objects of worship in Athens, objects of their worship, and he uses those objects from which to speak truth to those who will hear. The material they are made of are of great concern. Yet Paul uses this opportunity to engage them in a conversation. (Acts 17)
And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews, to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, though not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God, but under the law of Christ , that I might win those who are without law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. And I do all things for the sake of the gospel, that I may become a fellow partaker of it. I Cor 9:20-23
This is why I see it differently. Paul used many means to reach men and he reached many. I want to live as he did. And I think it significant that this passage ends with these words "that I may become a fellow partaker of it". It was important for Paul's partaking to use these various means to reach others. So for us there must also be a partaking of the gospel importance when we are willing to become what we are not for the sake of others.
It is very deep, very rich, very wonderful and I know I only begin to comprehend this kind of willingness. But I want to and I'm sure you do as well. Blessings.
Paul never said anything that contradicted or deviated from the Word of God. At Mars Hill he noticed an altar to an "unknown god" and used it to tell the people there about God the Creator. He didn't make something up to match what they already had. He took what they had and said "this is the truth."
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 12:31:57 PM
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doinkdom
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God does receive us just as we are, but His will is for us to grow more like Jesus of the Bible.
Bridges are wonderful tools to use...it's the material from which the bridge is made that is of concern here.
So what would we say of the bridge the Apostle Paul used at Mars Hill? He is examining the objects of worship in Athens, objects of their worship, and he uses those objects from which to speak truth to those who will hear. The material they are made of are of great concern. Yet Paul uses this opportunity to engage them in a conversation. (Acts 17)
And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews, to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, though not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God, but under the law of Christ , that I might win those who are without law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. And I do all things for the sake of the gospel, that I may become a fellow partaker of it. I Cor 9:20-23
This is why I see it differently. Paul used many means to reach men and he reached many. I want to live as he did. And I think it significant that this passage ends with these words "that I may become a fellow partaker of it". It was important for Paul's partaking to use these various means to reach others. So for us there must also be a partaking of the gospel importance when we are willing to become what we are not for the sake of others.
It is very deep, very rich, very wonderful and I know I only begin to comprehend this kind of willingness. But I want to and I'm sure you do as well. Blessings.
Paul never said anything that contradicted or deviated from the Word of God. At Mars Hill he noticed an altar to an "unknown god" and used it to tell the people there about God the Creator. He didn't make something up to match what they already had. He took what they had and said "this is the truth."
Ditto...what stella said.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 2:24:09 PM
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I'll agree too
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 2:53:58 PM
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doinkdom
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My experience has been that scoffing at people does nothing but chase them away, and how is that serving the Kindgom? Should we not meet people where they are (even if it's on the other side of a bridge built of straw) and help them from there ... show them a better way, God's Way? Or do we stand around ridiculing them for making a choice that we in all our superior wisdom and self-righteousness wouldn't have made?
There are a lot of very intelligent people posting in this thread ... perhaps some of that intellect could be directed at how do we minister to people who have read this book?
nobody is scoffing...just saying The Shack is a not a very solid foundation on which to build a saving faith. The concerns have been voiced. Do with them whatever you want or don't want. It is up to you (you in the universal sense) But to act as though we have no responsibility when we recommend books, etc. might not hold too much water when we stand before the Lord some day and He asks why we didn't recommend His book instead.
and I will ignore your own self-righteous comments on other's intellect and self-righteousness. No need to get all personal...this thread is tense enough.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 3:15:09 PM
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doinkdom
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Why would a discussion about a book like The Shack, which is all about theology, not have theology as part of the discussion...
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 3:15:42 PM
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I haven't seen anyone in this thread called out personally. I do see some quasi-heated debate among Christians about whether this book is an accurate representation of the God-head.
No one has even discussed what to say to people who have already read the book and believe it to be accurate. No one has asked me how I've addressed such with people I know and I haven't shared that information.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 3:22:47 PM
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doinkdom
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I haven't seen anyone in this thread called out personally. I do see some quasi-heated debate among Christians about whether this book is an accurate representation of the God-head.
No one has even discussed what to say to people who have already read the book and believe it to be accurate. No one has asked me how I've addressed such with people I know and I haven't shared that information.
I'd definitely be interested in what you've asked people, talked about...cause the only ones I've heard talking about it are already professing Christians. And what I would say to them has already been addressed.
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RE: "The Shack" - 7/7/2009 3:27:51 PM
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I think rather than continue being misunderstood, I will just stay out of this conversation
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