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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/2/2008 1:47:04 AM
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Beyleigh
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Hi everyone, I just joined here. =)
I am 23 years old and from West Virginia :)
I don't believe the subject of aliens is of any importance; I am sure many have entered the Kingdom of Heaven without giving aliens or extraterrestrials etc. any or much thought or consideration. If it were relevant to our lives then God surely would have let us know about aliens if there ever was such a thing. Personally, I don't know if they exist or not. While the thought of it all is interesting and mysterious, overall I don't really care because "Aliens" has nothing to do with my faith in God, how I should live my life, etc. Many of my family members who are honest, Christian people have claimed to see "UFOs" many, many times. So who knows what's out there. But, as I stated, I don't think all of that is important in the end.
Just a thought that entered my mind just now: Maybe anyone who has seen or believe they have seen such a think as aliens or UFOs, perhaps the entire concept is just an illusion, a distraction from the devil to deter our minds from God and become interested and mystified by something completely different from what we should be focused on in life?
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/2/2008 6:52:49 AM
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sasquash...
if you are a reader you might enjoy the C.S. Lewis trilogy which is described on the website http://tal.forum2.org/cosmic1
Unless you dislike ALL forms of fiction
(such as the Narnia Series and The Lord of the Rings)
you may be pleasantly surprised to realize that Christian writers also take flights of fancy
the DIFFERENCE being, the writings often ring with central Scriptural Truths.
consider the following quote from the website above:
C. S. Lewis was, much more than a fiction writer, a Christian thinker. He wrote many non-fiction books dealing with Christianity, and his fiction books really deal with the same subject too. Out of the Silent Planet and its two sequels are no exception. The book is loaded with Christian symbolism and references. But among many other things, I found the book's most important aspect to be the discussion on the meaning of being hnau -- a conscious, intelligent being (human or otherwise).
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/2/2008 11:34:21 AM
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siapa
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Come to think of it....reminds me of the debate about how long the earth exists! Personally, I don't believe the world has been around for millions of years (since dinosaurs era), also about aliens. Considering how we (as human beings and the most valuable creatures that God created) have been through evolution. Too much watching movies and all...
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/2/2008 10:38:42 PM
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oldmethuselah
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siapa, just wondering,
where did you get the idea we were the most valuable of God's creations?
Sure, His Son paid the extreme human sacrifice for us, which means God loves us a great deal, but I love my puppy dog (in a much more self interested way mind you)
I don't remember any verses that say we are the ULTIMATE beings..
rather, I seem to remember the verses saying that we are made a little LOWER than the angels...
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/3/2008 3:14:45 PM
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I don't know if God created life on other planets or not. He made an awfully big universe, it would seem rather a waste of space in some ways if He didn't, but His ways are not ours, so... *shrug* If He made life on other planets, He made life on other planets. If He didn't, well, that's His prerogative too. He didn't tell us about it as far as I can see, but He also didn't tell us that there were platypuses in Australia or that viruses existed, so that wouldn't be any big surprise.
As for UFO's, considering the massive distances involved, and the massive amounts of time it would take to travel, and the massive amount of effort and energy it would take, it would seem rather a waste to travel all that distance over all that time just to abduct a few cows and crazy people, but that's just my take on it.
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/3/2008 6:03:09 PM
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As much as it seems that it cannot be explained that there is no evidence to doubt their existence, there is also no evidence supporting their path of salvation.
If it were so, wouldn't Christ be traveling the universe a billion times over recreating the one story that's already been written?
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/4/2008 5:14:42 AM
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Hi all
Im rather new here but I have some questions and comments of my own. I want go on a limb and say theres no such thing no matter how certain one is that there opinion is truth there still lacks evidence to support either or. Using scripture to prove ones right and the other is wrong is kinda flawed isnt it? Because how one interprets scripture 10 others will get a totally different meening out of it I dont know im not trying to be rude or argumentative about it I just wish there where clear cut answers. Its easy to say well this is what I believe or this is truth my question is this how do ANY of you know for sure. Certainty is one thing but what is real verafiable flawless truth on the subject. I do tend to lean more with th Dr, on it my concerns about it is every sighting of these things almost always acompany paranormal activity ive read 1000s of documented evidence of these beings almost always utilising some form of Psychic Phenomona there are 100s of cases alone were after encounters with UFOs and Aliens polterguiste activity occurs. They almost always when comunication occurs try to indoctrinate a New Age philosophy on the contactees. Why is this? Why care about our religious beliefs and try to convince us Jesus is one of many ways to heaven. Why abduct us and then torture us if there our long lost brothers and sisters supposedly seeking to fellowship with us. It makes no sence. It at least Aliens and UFOs as we know it seems more spiritual than physical. If life truly exists on other worlds theres no way they have ever visited us. They cant be more advance than we are? with what we know now about light years and space travel they would have had to leave millions of years ago just to get here in our century. How is that physically possible and from a scientific point of view possible. And how do you take into account space debree. Whitley Strieber want answer that one he just gives the usual there interdimensioal ive talked to him in deph about it. And thats a man that has to quote the late Dr.Walter Martin sacrificed truth for absolute certainty. I dont know tho those are just some of my questions and thoughts I hope I didnt offend and my thoughts being misunderstood
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/4/2008 11:32:37 AM
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siapa
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Well, oldmethuselah
Please read Genesis 1:27-30, as you know The Bible is NOT fabricated! "Aliens" could be another of satan's fabrication/ misleading illusion...just like any other idol in this world. Enough said.
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/5/2008 4:32:36 AM
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If you go to Roswell, check out across the street from the Roswell ufo museum, the Alien resistance bookstore...it's a christian ministry that ministers and has biblical viewpoint dealing with the ufo, alien thing. You can google "ALien REsistance" "Roswell" and get to their website.
I believe the ufo phenomana is occultic in nature...there are occultic people in secret areas of the military, government, black ops, etc, who are working with satan...in bringing in hte NEw WOrld Order, and the coming of hte antichriist...I believe also that there is a nazi connection to ufos...the nazis were heavily invovled in the occult...and after WW II, we (the United States...and those in big corporations, the 'industrial elite", Prescott Bush, Rockefeller nad others...who really help fund Hitler, etc) brought nazi scientists over here to work for our rocket program...even though they were nazis...people like Werner Von Braun....who we made into a Nasa space hero...yet, he was an SS nazi, who had thousands of concentration camp slaves work and die under him in Germany...
There is a book, Dark Mission: Secret History of NASA, that goes into the occult founding and background of NASA, many of it's founders, and leaders are and were high ranking masons, nazi scientists, and OTO occult members...one guy, Jack Parsons, one of hte founders of the JPL, was a satanic occultist...he was a follower of Aliester Crowley(the satanist who called himself the beast)...Jack Parsons knew L.Ron Hubbard, the founder of scientology...they, and a woman went out in the Mojave Desert to do a ritual to call forth the harlot of babylon(which they spelled babalon)...this happened back in 1947.
I've always known that those ugly slant eyed grey 'aliens' were evil and demonic...not aliens...it isn't just a figment of people's imagination, either. There is stuff going on in secret bases, experiements, mixing Human and animal dna, etc, that is evil!!! I believe also that some of the abductions are military abductions, not just of the demonic entity kind...what's interesting is that the first known 'recorded' abduction is that of a mix race couple, Betty and Barney Hill, and at one point, they had described the beings on the ufo as looking as if they were nazi's in nazi uniforms...
I have so much more I wish I could talkl about, but it would be creepy...I realize, though, that just as we, the Church, the BODY OF CHRIST, has continue here on earth, so, too, the 'secret mystery' occultic religion...hiddened...the satanic side, working for the coming of the antichrist...the whole human sacrfices, etc, haven't disappeared, only gone underground...and I mean in high places, too, ..not neccessary teenagers dabbling...but high power big corporation types. Also, a lot of new age ufo cults, like the one that a few years ago, committed suicide, were secretly supported by secret elements in government....
Also, Aliester Crowley, who claimed to channel entities, an ancient egyptian god, etc, drew a picture of it, and it had a big head, similar to the big head 'aliens' Crowley, by the way, did double agent work as a secret spy for the Britisth and Germany, and there has always been occult connections in the spy programs, CIA, etc...former nazis were brought in the CIA, too...and our gov. even used a psychic occult program "Remote Viewing" having psychics spy out stuff...sort of like astral projection...
I know this is dark stuff..but I feel it's important for us to be aware of this stuff and how it fits in to end times,
I spent part of my childhood in New MExico, and I remember as a kid, feeling creepy feelings around certain parts of the state...I somehow, in the back of my mind, knew that there was an evil spiritual presence...and I didn't want to know about it at the time...My dad was in the army, and my grandfather had worked, head of security for the NASA apollo program at White Sands Missile Range...in the 60's...the astronauts did part of hteir training at White Sands and my grandfather met them...
My dad was murdered, and a gag order was put on my dad's death and the famly was not told why my dad was murdered...some months later, my grandparents received a document signed by Pres. Ford declaring my dad dying in defense of the country...I don't know why my dad was killed, but I've always felt it was someone in government...I think my dad also worked at White Sands, but I don't know. two of the places nazi scientists were sent to was to White Sand Missile range, there in NM, and Fort Bliss, in Tx, near El Paso...
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/5/2008 4:58:06 AM
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Oh yeah, I believe there are two kinds of ufos, ...the secret military aircraft( I believe we have a secret space program, along with our public one...which is really a front)....just as nimrod and mankind tried to build a tower to Heaven, so, too, the space program has that rebellious attempt)...and there is the demonic supernatural kind...and, maybe even a combination of both...
A few years ago, I had a certain woman invite me to visit her and her husband in Indiana, Immediately felt an uneasyness inside of me, and felt the LORD telling me Don't do it...I sensed that if I did, I would be in the middle of something demonic nad occultic...that I would get right in the middle of it....I didn't know what it was, so I obeyed the LORD, and gently turned down her offer...
Later I found out that she and her daughter had had 'alien' abductions..which started on a trip to New Mexico, and that her daughter was supposely impregnated and 'gave birth to a demon possessed baby'...Now I'm just quoting what someone told me...someone who also knew them....no matter how weird it sounds, it blew me away and confirmed to me that the LORD protected me by telling me not visit her!!!
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/5/2008 7:52:13 AM
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quote:
Beyleigh: ...I am sure many have entered the Kingdom of Heaven without giving aliens or extraterrestrials etc. any or much thought or consideration. If it were relevant to our lives then God surely would have let us know about aliens if there ever was such a thing. Personally, I don't know if they exist or not. While the thought of it all is interesting and mysterious, overall I don't really care because "Aliens" has nothing to do with my faith in God, how I should live my life, etc. Many of my family members who are honest, Christian people have claimed to see "UFOs" many, many times. So who knows what's out there. But, as I stated, I don't think all of that is important in the end.
Yes. Yet, there is a very real phenomena that pretends to be whatever humankind (in general) believes in. Especially of the mischievous and controversial types. It use to be primarily monsters and fairies, and now it is space people. Each of these phantoms are designed to challenge the biblical world view, and to generate uncertainty, confusion, debate, and fear.
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. -1Jo 4:18
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/5/2008 12:11:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: oldmethuselah
where did you get the idea we were the most valuable of God's creations?
valuable?
Man was created in God's image... he saved the best for last, and if not the most valuable, certainly the most significant.
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/6/2008 11:03:49 AM
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I have actually been pondering this quite a bit lately.  I must say there are so many acounts of people seeing these things. Sometimes whole towns, or cities, have witnessed a UFO all at once.
I personally have a hard time believing that so many people were either lying, halucinating, or mistakenly seeing something that IS identifiable.
I guess my "conclusion" on the subject is that, we know so very very little about our own world itself. There are creatures in the depths of the ocean, which we have just now in history been able to reach, that are udderly amazing! These things look like aliens or ghosts. With colored lights flashing brialliantly. And many of them make they're own light.
If there are such creatures in the deep parts of the ocean, that are so "unearthly" looking, and paper thin, yet made to withstand and thrive under the enormous water pressure of the oceans bottom, how do we know what "creatures" the Lord has made that can thrive in space?
Now I'm refering to ufo's themselves, not the little green men inside of them.  To me the descriptions of some ufo's seem as though its possible that they are some kind of creature, that is able to go in and out of our atmosphere.
Really, its all so mysteriuos, and a little creepy. I'm just saying that I would not be surprised if when we are fianlly with the Lord, we learn things that just blow our minds. It was'nt until, 100+ years ago, that we in the western world learned that the "myth" of the gorilla, was an actual animal! Same for giant squid, which was even more recently.
I don't know if someone has already adressed these isssues, have'nt yet read through the other posts yet. This is just my humble 2 cents worth 
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/11/2008 1:32:47 PM
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Ufologists and nuts do not prove or disprove intellegent life on other planets.
Calling it all occultic proves nothing. Weirdos tend to group in bunches. An occultist and a ufologist being together is just birds of a feather flocking together.
There may just be no way to traverse the immence distances between solar systems.
There are a lot of stars in each galaxy and just as many galaxies out there in the universe....many of these stars have planets around them. It is concievable that there are literally billions of planets out there that could sustain life. The odds against life in the universe are much less than the odds for life...its almost 100% that somewhere in the universe there is not only life, but intellegent life...
unless for some reason God does not allow it. Now we have, potentially, billions of worlds capable of sustaining life out there but God only put life here on this one planet. That we were created in His image and its only us in this infinitly large universe...??
Isn't that just a little...prideful? I think they call that xenophobia.
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/11/2008 1:44:50 PM
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Speaking of nuts hows this for a way out there theory? Satan and his angels established a home on the old earth (pre-adamic) then messed up totally (in comes Atlanta) flooded the earth the first time. But being that the fallen angels were so smart they had created space travel to greater galaxies and boarded the ships to escape the earth's destruction. From there they return to the earth every so often to antagonize the new residents but only enough to put the fear of false gods into them. eh? well, many not then.... 
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RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? - 4/11/2008 1:58:58 PM
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Forget UFO's! What's up with elephants that PAINT!
The end is so near...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FGEJKQzaMA&feature=related
Ok. That flippin blew me away. That elephant has more artistic talent than I do. . .
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The MOST unappreciated Alien Folklore. - 4/11/2008 2:16:21 PM
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oldmethuselah
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Being very ancient, at least my persona, I have heard HUNDREDS of quizzes, puzzles and jokes from my students.
The MOST underappreciated one... (only 3 people have understood it so far in twenty odd years) came from a student a long time ago...
"How many aliens does it take to change a lightbulb?"
Answer..
3.2
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RE: The MOST unappreciated Alien Folklore. - 4/11/2008 5:08:18 PM
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cherokeehippie
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Well, how about this for nuts, too! Not only did satan and the fallen angels come down to earth...but they also were on mars and built the face, pyramids, cydonia on mars....don't laugh...I have a book by a christian scholar, David Flynn that goes into this in detail....I would post his website but some might freak and think it's too out there...and one theory is that when the LORD brought about hte flood, he also brought destruction on mars of the fallen angel settlements....
Actually, there are parallels to ancient occult sites, the pyramids, Stonehedge, etc to the cydonia sites on mars..and just last night I came across a website that goes into the occult parallels of the outlines of the streets in Washington DC and how they relate to how the sites on Cydonia on mars are, too...Eerily similar....
I believe nephilim before the flood built the pyramid and stonehedge, etc...There is also a similar structure like Stonehedge (in shape, but not in the tall stones) in the Golan Heights in Israel...and it is called the circle of the giants, Gilgal Refaim,
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/chamishgiants.html
(actually, that is part of David Flynn's website! LOL )
Another theory, that some believe is that the ufos are coming from underneath the earth...not from the sky...that also goes into the reptilian aspect of it, too,
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RE: The MOST unappreciated Alien Folklore. - 4/11/2008 5:13:16 PM
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Did Fox Mulder just enter the discussion?
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RE: Silly Answers About Aliens?? - 4/11/2008 5:18:12 PM
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my kids would watch all those sci-fi movies all the time and I used to tease them "uh...studying para-normal activity again are you" I didn't like that they spent so much time dealing in satan's realm, but since they were older I tried to make sure that when they viewed it they knew what they were looking at.
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RE: Silly Answers About Aliens?? - 4/12/2008 8:14:10 AM
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Ever see pictures of those tbn preachers in the 70's?
That...is proof we have aliens living amungst us
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