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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/20/2009 6:08:54 AM
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TheosCentric
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Paul is most definately not telling the Corinthians that some of them used to be homosexuals.
That is not in the text at all.
You must have a different Bible, then.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/20/2009 9:21:55 AM
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Still curious: Have any of you actually gotten to know a gay Christian? Ever sit down and truly get to know his or her story face to face?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/20/2009 9:32:05 AM
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Still curious: Have any of you actually gotten to know a gay Christian? Ever sit down and truly get to know his or her story face to face?
I have been in conversations with gay Christians. They distort scripture to support their lifestyle just as you are attempting to. In the end, it comes down to praying that God would change their hearts so that they can see their sin. Typically, it comes down to them using culture (just as you are attempting to do) to interpret scripture.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/20/2009 11:26:37 AM
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I'm not arguing over whether God is bigger but trying to make something clear. The teaching and the church has always held that homosexual relations are inherently sinful. The arguments in favor of homosexual relations being good are weak. There is an underlying assumption that God didn't foresee the change is status of homosexual sex in society and that the Spirit wasn't speaking through Paul when he passed on these commands. It is obvious that is what is implied by the very argument itself.
From what I have seen, context adds to the plain meaning, it doesn't take away from it. Knowing what the meaning of the Hebrew alphabet means adds to the understanding of the God's Word. It amplifies the plain meaning.
Funny but I remember God saying that He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. He never changes. What He has declared right and wrong doesn't change as well. So are you saying right and wrong are determined more by society than by God? So what other commands have changed? Is murder alright now? Stealing? Lying? Adultery? Believing that there is more than one way to God?
Why is it only now that a small number of congregations accept homosexual relations as natural? Especially when the teaching and punishment for this has always been clearly understood the other way, that it is evil? Why didn't Jesus correct this if it was in error? He is God. He would know. He corrected many false teachings and misconceptions. Why did the Apostles continue this teaching if they knew it was false and cause their place in Heaven to be reduced?
I don't assume the homosexual lives the lifestyle to snub God or be different. I do assume they either have given up and given in, or because they have hardened their heart to God. Repentance is easy to say you must do it. Actually doing it is difficult and a daily struggle for quite some time.
As for me. I am divorced and I abide by Jesus' teaching and Paul's reiteration of it that the married when they divorce must reconcile or remain as they are. I am remaining celebate until she dies. Most likely I will die before her though.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/20/2009 11:47:45 AM
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Homosexual sex is a sinful act. Only the homosexual or someone who embraces it argues otherwise.
Homosexual sex negates the design function of the difference between men and women. It brings on medical problems that arise because the bodily orifices used aren't designed for that stress or exposure to bacteria or viruses.
It can never produce children. Even if a man and woman who are declared medically to be infertile, God can open the womb. It was His to seal to begin with. We have evidence of this not only in His Word but around us in our own lives. I know of 3 couples who were infertile and without medical intervention they all had children. Even their doctors were surprised.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/20/2009 12:38:05 PM
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/20/2009 1:20:08 PM
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/21/2009 7:12:21 AM
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Still curious: Have any of you actually gotten to know a gay Christian? Ever sit down and truly get to know his or her story face to face?
Yes I have. For two years. The majority of them knew they were doing wrong and wanted help not to do it. I made it a requirement for them to tell me their story before I got involved with them because I didn't want them to have expectations I could not deliver and I didn't want to spend time with someone who I knew I did not have the skills to help and so let them down.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/21/2009 7:22:33 AM
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Still curious: Have any of you actually gotten to know a gay Christian? Ever sit down and truly get to know his or her story face to face?
Yes I have. For two years. The majority of them knew they were doing wrong and wanted help not to do it. I made it a requirement for them to tell me their story before I got involved with them because I didn't want them to have expectations I could not deliver and I didn't want to spend time with someone who I knew I did not have the skills to help and so let them down.
I met someone who was a gay Christian but repented and is now happily married. I also ran into someone at another site who "claimed" to be a Christian as well, but was gonna marry her partner instead. I asked her how she could justify that with scripture? She said something to the effect that her partner got her back into church. 
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/21/2009 9:05:48 PM
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Still curious: Have any of you actually gotten to know a gay Christian? Ever sit down and truly get to know his or her story face to face?
Since gay christian is an oxymoron i can say i have never met one, and neither has anyone else.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/22/2009 6:37:36 AM
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Since gay christian is an oxymoron i can say i have never met one, and neither has anyone else.
Do you consider someone who is experiencing same sex attraction but doesn't indulge in anything homosexual whatsoever a Christian? Also taking into account that they have given their life to the Lord of course...
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/22/2009 8:52:51 AM
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Do you consider someone who is experiencing same sex attraction but doesn't indulge in anything homosexual whatsoever a Christian? Also taking into account that they have given their life to the Lord of course...
An attraction would most likely be a 'Temptation", and should be dealt with as any temptation should be dealt with.
Now it that attraction is carried and nourished and turns into 'Lusting after" then that would be a sin.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/22/2009 11:47:18 AM
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Since gay christian is an oxymoron i can say i have never met one, and neither has anyone else.
Do you consider someone who is experiencing same sex attraction but doesn't indulge in anything homosexual whatsoever a Christian? Also taking into account that they have given their life to the Lord of course...
If someone wants to be identified as a gay christian they are not a christian in the same way that someone who would identify them self as a "porno christian" or "adulterer christian" or even "cocaine christian" are not christian. If Christ has truly saved a person they are not going to continue on in whatever sin they were slave to, much less want to be identified by that sin by hyphenating it with the name "christian".
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 11/22/2009 8:25:47 PM
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Since gay christian is an oxymoron i can say i have never met one, and neither has anyone else.
Do you consider someone who is experiencing same sex attraction but doesn't indulge in anything homosexual whatsoever a Christian? Also taking into account that they have given their life to the Lord of course...
If someone wants to be identified as a gay christian they are not a christian in the same way that someone who would identify them self as a "porno christian" or "adulterer christian" or even "cocaine christian" are not christian. If Christ has truly saved a person they are not going to continue on in whatever sin they were slave to, much less want to be identified by that sin by hyphenating it with the name "christian".
Yeah, but this person is asking about same sex attraction, which is the temptation to engage in homosexual sin. Being tempted is not a sin. Giving into temptation, by focusing on those thoughts, or outward behavior, such as sodomy, is sin.
Thank you, i know what was being asked, but since the question came quoting my previous post i wanted to make clear what i meant, and i hate the "captain obvious" type questions because the answer is so clear that those questions are rhetorical.
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