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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 4:58:07 PM
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If you want to think homosexuality is wrong because some people wrote a book that said it was wrong thousands of years ago...
You don't seem to understand, it wasn't "some people" that wrote a book, men wrote that book through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. God is the one who says Homosexuality is a sin.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 5:06:48 PM
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If you want to think homosexuality is wrong because some people wrote a book that said it was wrong thousands of years ago...
You don't seem to understand, it wasn't "some people" that wrote a book, men wrote that book through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. God is the one who says Homosexuality is a sin.
Amen, Amen and Amen.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 7:30:41 PM
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If god does not welcome me into his heaven, for something that I am EXTREAMLY proud of, then I will walk into the gates of hell without a disagreement, or a second word.
Sadly, without repentance that will be the case.
Are you at the present time sexually active with both boys and girls, and if so what ages are you attracted to?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 8:31:46 PM
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Being a homosexual or bi-sexual is not all about "having sex" You people seem to be obsessed with the sexual side of things...
If identifying yourself by your sexual preferance is not about the sex, then what is it? Seems to me the obsession would be on your side of the issue because you want to be identified by who you prefer to have sex with. Since, at 15, you say you are bi-sexual, it seems your boundaries are rather broad and that you simply like sex for the sake of sex. While you say it's not simply about the sex, what can you tell us about the emotional implications of sexual relationships?
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I was about 6 years old when I first become emotionally attracted to another male, at that time I felt like it was wrong because all the other little boys liked girls.. And I felt like I was different.. I then discovered sexuality's when I was about 13 years old, and thats when I knew I was bi-sexual.. I also discovered that it was NOT wrong, if I myself accepted it.
Emotional attachment to anyone as a six year old is normal. And, like RC said, most six years olds tend to think the opposite sex is gross and full of cooties. So, how exactly did you discover sex as a 13 year old. Did a parent talk to you about this? Did a friend talk to you about it? Did someone touch you or expose you to porn or some other form of sexuality? You can convince yourself that anything is not wrong to make yourself feel better. You could be a serial killer and think in your own mind that it's acceptable.
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You are not a homosexual, so you do NOT understand.. You seem very narrow minded though.
You are not homosexual either. You imply that you understand much. At the sime time you can be jsut as narrow minded in your approach to this topic in that you feel you're right and the rest of us are wrong. You have much to learn Grasshopper.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 8:46:15 PM
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I believe if you do not trust the word of God then you will not be able to make the big decisions like calling homosexuality both wrong and a sin. If homosexuals never hear or see that it is wrong, then they all will go to hell. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. How will they know if they do not hear?
Um, wow. You know, you can be a christian if your gay. I have a gay presbeterian friend, and he loves Jesus. He was molested by a woman when he was 12 and it really changed his life. He can never see himself witha woman now. So how is that his fault? Who are you to judge? Is he just a horrible pervert to you now? He is very loyal to his domestic partner, and he has never been attracted to porn or dirty strip clubs. And bty, if they never hear or see that it is wrong, then they SHOULD'NT go to hell. That would make more sense, because they did'nt know and if they had know, it's like they were gay in defiance of God. But who am I to judge?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 9:16:17 PM
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And bty, if they never hear or see that it is wrong, then they SHOULD'NT go to hell.
Where is that in the Bible?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 3/31/2008 10:43:37 PM
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I have a gay presbeterian friend, and he loves Jesus.
Does he love Jesus more than his lifestyle of domestic partner?
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He was molested by a woman when he was 12 and it really changed his life.
Lots of people have been molested by others. Do they all engage in sexual activity with others as a response to having been molested? I've worked with sex offenders and most convicted offenders have been molested during their lifetime. Is molestation an excuse to engage in further deviant sexual activity?
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He is very loyal to his domestic partner, and he has never been attracted to porn or dirty strip clubs.
How do you know? How do you really know? It seems that so many people think they really know someone when all they see is the mask they want others to see.
You ask who are we to judge? I don't think that any of us here are judging in the eternal sense. We are making a judgment between right and wrong. If you or your friend were to meet most of the posters on this site, they would be loved enough to let them know that sin hurts others as well as self. Like the sex offenders I've worked with, you may not like what I have to say, but because you'd see I'm willing to walk along side you on the path to Christ, you'd know you could trust me. But, when you cling to your beliefs as strongly as we Christians are accused of clinging to beliefs, you are as judgmental as you accuse us of.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/1/2008 9:23:47 AM
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I believe if you do not trust the word of God then you will not be able to make the big decisions like calling homosexuality both wrong and a sin. If homosexuals never hear or see that it is wrong, then they all will go to hell. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. How will they know if they do not hear?
Um, wow. You know, you can be a christian if your gay. I have a gay presbeterian friend, and he loves Jesus. He was molested by a woman when he was 12 and it really changed his life. He can never see himself witha woman now. So how is that his fault? Who are you to judge? Is he just a horrible pervert to you now? He is very loyal to his domestic partner, and he has never been attracted to porn or dirty strip clubs. And bty, if they never hear or see that it is wrong, then they SHOULD'NT go to hell. That would make more sense, because they did'nt know and if they had know, it's like they were gay in defiance of God. But who am I to judge?
First of all, it is his fault because he has given in to his own personal desires instead of God's mandates. That is the way of it in all sins. We give in to the flesh.
Second of all, this thread is not about others judging people. It is about sharing the truth in love and letting people know that God is good all the time. One has to accept Him to receive salvation. One has to turn to God to break the bonds that flesh can have on us. A Christian's "job" is to spread the word in love and truth. Sometimes the truth hurts because we have to re-examine our lives, and we know that we have made some huge mistakes.
Third of all, God tells us what is just, and you will not find much in the way of justice here on earth at this time. In truth, justice would be for all of us to be cast into hell. God is perfection, and we are filthy rags. However, Christ came so that we might be saved. If we do not accept His truth, then we are condemned, not by each other, but by God Himself.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/1/2008 8:28:54 PM
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If god does not welcome me into his heaven, for something that I am EXTREAMLY proud of, then I will walk into the gates of hell without a disagreement, or a second word.
Sadly, without repentance that will be the case.
Are you at the present time sexually active with both boys and girls, and if so what ages are you attracted to?
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I can't believe you ask me those questions! A 15 year old! Firstly no, I'm not having sex with males or females, and I have never had sex with either.
Secondly I'm attracted to my own age group.. If your trying to say "like some people do" that homosexuality creates pedophiles, that is WRONG! and I think pedophiles are sick.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/1/2008 10:25:03 PM
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I can't believe you ask me those questions! A 15 year old!
Iknow your response was to RC, but since I asked you some questions as well which you have not answered, you got yourself into this mess by saying you are bisexual. If you can't handle the questions, better to stay out of the fire.
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Firstly no, I'm not having sex with males or females, and I have never had sex with either.
Then how do you know you're bisexual? Identifying yourself by your sexual preferance is a pretty general statement of the conduc you prefer to engage in.
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I think pedophiles are sick.
Isn't that a judgmental thing say? What makes them sick? Aren't they simply expressing a sexual preferance in the same manner you are?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/1/2008 10:28:16 PM
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If god does not welcome me into his heaven, for something that I am EXTREAMLY proud of, then I will walk into the gates of hell without a disagreement, or a second word.
Sadly, without repentance that will be the case.
Are you at the present time sexually active with both boys and girls, and if so what ages are you attracted to?
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I can't believe you ask me those questions! A 15 year old! Firstly no, I'm not having sex with males or females, and I have never had sex with either.
Secondly I'm attracted to my own age group.. If your trying to say "like some people do" that homosexuality creates pedophiles, that is WRONG! and I think pedophiles are sick.
You've pointed out many times now that you are "only15". What is the purpose? If you are really only 15 and want to post here with adults, then you can expect to be questioned or discussed with, the same as any other adult. You act is if you want everyone to "go easy" on you and accuse others of arrogance. Something tells me you are either yanking our chain about your age, or are using your age to entitle you to converse using a different standard than the other members. Just an observation..
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/1/2008 10:29:39 PM
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I can't believe you ask me those questions! A 15 year old!
Iknow your response was to RC, but since I asked you some questions as well which you have not answered, you got yourself into this mess by saying you are bisexual. If you can't handle the questions, better to stay out of the fire.
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Firstly no, I'm not having sex with males or females, and I have never had sex with either.
Then how do you know you're bisexual? Identifying yourself by your sexual preferance is a pretty general statement of the conduc you prefer to engage in.
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I think pedophiles are sick.
Isn't that a judgmental thing say? What makes them sick? Aren't they simply expressing a sexual preferance in the same manner you are?
Amen to all of the above. I think we were posting simultaneously.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 12:17:15 AM
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Firstly, I am 15. The reason I keep repeating my age is so that you guys understand I'm not an adult like yourselves, so the questions you ask should be asked to me as a child.
Secondly, I said I have not had "sex" That does not mean I'm completly unexpierened. I have done enough to know it feels right, and that when the time is right, I will, whatever the lord god thinks.
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Moving on from my expierences and sexuality, because I'm extreamly secure about being bi-sexual, I would like to ask you guys a question that will hopefully make you think, and then I'll leave this forum once I have read the answers.
If you had a child, who discovered that they where bi-sexual or homosexual, but they where made extreamly uncomfortable and did not tell you, because of your beliefs, and all there friends where christians because you had brought them up the "Christian way" and then the kid become depressed because they felt trapped and un-welcome in a community they have always known, and then they ended there life.. How woul you feel?
Or maybe it would be a less extreme case, what if your child come up and said "mum/dad, I'm a homosexual" would you disown them? Or would you tell them that god does not agree with this? Would you tell your child he or she is going to hell for something they cant control?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 1:50:28 AM
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Firstly, I am 15. The reason I keep repeating my age is so that you guys understand I'm not an adult like yourselves, so the questions you ask should be asked to me as a child.
You want to play like an adult, but you want us to treat you like a child?
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Secondly, I said I have not had "sex" That does not mean I'm completly unexpierened. I have done enough to know it feels right, and that when the time is right, I will, whatever the lord god thinks.
No, whatever you think. It's pretty plain what the Lord God thinks for He spells it out clearly in His word. If you've not had sex, how are you not completely inexperienced?
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Moving on from my expierences and sexuality, because I'm extreamly secure about being bi-sexual, I would like to ask you guys a question that will hopefully make you think, and then I'll leave this forum once I have read the answers.
Are you certain of your security? Afterall, you haven't done anything. You believe you have desires. You seem to want to be able to behave like an adult, but preferred to be treated like a child. Why will you leave the forum? Are you afraid that you might discover that you aren't as right as you think you are and that you might have to change?
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Would you tell your child he or she is going to hell for something they cant control?
Who says our sexuality is something that can't be controlled? If we could not control our sexuality, we would be like dogs, doing it without a second thought, without having to plan for a place to get away, a way to ease the mood, etc. If I could not control my sexual thoughts and urges, I would be having sex with multiple women like I used to before I met Christ. If we could not control our desire, the spread of STD's would be more rampant than it already is.
Oh to be 15 and know everything again. Listen kid, I have three kids, two of which are your age. Once, before I got old, I was your age too. If any of my kids announce to me that they are gay, bi, or promiscuous, I will still love them as I do now. Yet, I will continue to counsel them to return to God. If they decide that serving their sexual urges is more important, then we will have to part ways. Yet, if they decide to return, I will be waiting with open arms.
Same thing if my kids were to become drug addicts. Because it's really no different. Sex and drugs are a pleasurable thing that ultimately destroys a person from the inside out. Lessons learned from the school of hard knocks, kid. If you choose to attend this achool, just remember the school colors are black and blue.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 8:51:50 AM
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Who says our sexuality is something that can't be controlled? If we could not control our sexuality, we would be like dogs, doing it without a second thought, without having to plan for a place to get away, a way to ease the mood, etc. If I could not control my sexual thoughts and urges, I would be having sex with multiple women like I used to before I met Christ. If we could not control our desire, the spread of STD's would be more rampant than it already is.
Oh to be 15 and know everything again. Listen kid, I have three kids, two of which are your age. Once, before I got old, I was your age too. If any of my kids announce to me that they are gay, bi, or promiscuous, I will still love them as I do now. Yet, I will continue to counsel them to return to God. If they decide that serving their sexual urges is more important, then we will have to part ways. Yet, if they decide to return, I will be waiting with open arms.
Same thing if my kids were to become drug addicts. Because it's really no different. Sex and drugs are a pleasurable thing that ultimately destroys a person from the inside out. Lessons learned from the school of hard knocks, kid. If you choose to attend this achool, just remember the school colors are black and blue.
Amen! Truth is absolute.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 8:52:36 AM
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The reason I would leave this forum is because I have much better things to worry about then you people. I do have a job and a life and its the easter holidays so I can't be stuck on this website argueing about my sexuality..
sexuality is not all about "sex" there are many other things involved around sex, kissing ect.. I know I'm bi-sexual and I don't care what any of you say about that, if it's a choice, and I had to choose being straight or bi-sexual I would choose bi-sexual.
I love the way you said, you would council your kid to try and make them return to god, in other words, you mean you would sycologically force your kid not to be a homosexual or bi-sexual. This is exactly why there is so many suicides because kids feel trapped.
End of, good day, good bye.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 8:58:52 AM
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The reason I would leave this forum is because I have much better things to worry about then you people. I do have a job and a life and its the easter holidays so I can't be stuck on this website argueing about my sexuality..
sexuality is not all about "sex" there are many other things involved around sex, kissing ect.. I know I'm bi-sexual and I don't care what any of you say about that, if it's a choice, and I had to choose being straight or bi-sexual I would choose bi-sexual.
I love the way you said, you would council your kid to try and make them return to god, in other words, you mean you would sycologically force your kid not to be a homosexual or bi-sexual. This is exactly why there is so many suicides because kids feel trapped.
End of, good day, good bye.
All of your decisions are driven by self-desire. You cannot live for God when you always put yourself first. When you realize that all should be for the glory of God, you will be able to control your own desires and know what is acceptable in God's eyes. Until then, you will continue to defy God's commandments.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 10:17:54 AM
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Firstly, I am 15. The reason I keep repeating my age is so that you guys understand I'm not an adult like yourselves, so the questions you ask should be asked to me as a child.
That's not how it works here.
If you are wanting to be treated as a child then I shall have to restrict you from the forum.
You can't have it both ways here even if that is your desire in real life.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 10:27:53 AM
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I can't believe you ask me those questions! A 15 year old! Firstly no, I'm not having sex with males or females, and I have never had sex with either.
Since you are not sexually active, and I am very glad to know that; then I do not think you can claim bi-sexuallity.
Most likely you are just a kid that likes (not lusts after) and wants to hang out with everybody. That is a good trait. It is the secular humanist society that forces children to try to understand sexuality and make choices when that part of their humanity is not even developing yet. And that is sad.
I and my Church will pray for your continued growth and understanding of emotions, and that you will not be swayed by all the evil forces that one must contend with.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 10:49:41 AM
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RC I ask that we all say a prayer for this young person. Seems a bit confused to me but all is not lost until death.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 1:01:05 PM
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The reason I would leave this forum is because I have much better things to worry about then you people. I do have a job and a life and its the easter holidays so I can't be stuck on this website argueing about my sexuality..
OKay. But it seems you came here making the statement that we, Christians, are closed minded, biggoted people who cause all kinds of people to become depressed and suicidal because of we repress their urges. You came here to make a point. It seems that you now realize your point can't be made here and that you may need to rethink your position. Like your sexual preferance, you'll take the easy road and go with your emotions. UNfortunately, you will live your life blaming everyone else for your problems because you don't want to take the time to examine yourself; especially in God's word.
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sexuality is not all about "sex" there are many other things involved around sex, kissing ect.. I know I'm bi-sexual and I don't care what any of you say about that, if it's a choice, and I had to choose being straight or bi-sexual I would choose bi-sexual.
Really? Is kissing not an act of sex? While there are different kinds of kissing, putting your tongue in the mouth of another tends to incite arousal. I had a female sex offender on my caseload that failed her polygraph on the question of having sex with anyone under 18. Her response was that she kissed a girl who was 16. Seems she was thinking sexually when she kissed that girl.
Then, you go and admit that your dcision to be be bisexual may actually, afterall, be a choice. You came here saying that you were born this way and you have no control over it. So which is it?
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I love the way you said, you would council your kid to try and make them return to god, in other words, you mean you would sycologically force your kid not to be a homosexual or bi-sexual. This is exactly why there is so many suicides because kids feel trapped.
Is this plagiarism from the social liberal playbook? I have a very close relationship with my kids. Having worked with sex offenders I have been able to maintain a very open dialogue with my kids about sexuality. We, my wife and I, have also used the Bible to teach our kids about sexuality and healthy human relationships. IN the end, my kids still have choices to make along the path of life. As i said, if they choose a path I don't approve of, I will still love them. I will love them enough to let them know I don't approve of their self destruction.
Let me ask you this. Do your parents know about your sexual preferance? Do they approve? Do you know Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and savior? If so, do you love Him more than anything else?
Oh, by the way, I'm praying for you too.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/2/2008 1:47:34 PM
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Sunshinesmile,
First, God bless you.
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Firstly, I am 15. The reason I keep repeating my age is so that you guys understand I'm not an adult like yourselves, so the questions you ask should be asked to me as a child. Sexuality is not a topic for children. If you want to talk of adult matters, then you need to be an adult; if you still want to be a child, adult topics are not appropriate for you . . . whether simply discussed here online or actively lived offline.
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If you had a child, who discovered that they where bi-sexual or homosexual, but they where made extreamly uncomfortable and did not tell you, because of your beliefs, and all there friends where christians because you had brought them up the "Christian way" and then the kid become depressed because they felt trapped and un-welcome in a community they have always known, and then they ended there life.. How woul you feel? While not the same circumstance, I have survived my late husband's suicide. At best, the after-effects of what he did is manageable; but more often than not, it is excruciatingly painful.
However, it is also very unfair, selfish . . . and quite childish to lay that type of a guilt trip on someone; i.e., "how would you feel if I ended my life because . . ."
Whatever the reason, to blame one's suicide on someone else is appalling. The effects are very damaging and long-lasting. While my husband didn't blame me and even went out of his way to tell me that what he did wasn't my fault, my | | | |
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