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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/17/2009 1:51:34 PM
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Hatsofftou I for one beilive God knows you better then you know yourself and if your going to do such a thing sometimes he will go ahead and take you out before you do it. and every sin is forgiven... this to is forgiven.. you have more and more peolpe that atempt this every single year and alot is a chemical imbalance thing... I speak from experience.. you cannot control it no matter how hard you may try! Not without seeking help and getting on the right medication for you and by putting God number one in your life. But all your sins can be forgiven.. thats a fact.
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It's not forgiven.
So if you go to the dr. and he tells you that you need to cut out the fat in your diet and exercise more, but you ignore that warning and you have a heart attack and die. Are you forgiven?
That's quite a stretch don't you think?
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/17/2009 1:55:41 PM
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It's not forgiven.
So if you go to the dr. and he tells you that you need to cut out the fat in your diet and exercise more, but you ignore that warning and you have a heart attack and die. Are you forgiven?
That's quite a stretch don't you think?
Nope. It's hard work to eat right and exercise. If you ignore your doctor, you've pretty much committed suicide, haven't you?
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/17/2009 2:38:22 PM
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"Beam me up"? LOL. Sounds like Star Trek.
I'm not going to give the gory details of my situation, but suffice it to say I have felt several times over the last 6 years that my life wasn't worth it anymore because of so much evil that had inflicted me and my family.
I've felt like dying. Contemplating. Sick and tired of the pain. In the heat of the moment, and the storm of the battle. What to do. Thoughts of suicide crept in. What to do. I knew in my heart that suicide would not only be turning my back on my family, but also my God. I knew in my heart of hearts that I would face the judgment of God, and I knew I would not be saved.
Tons of people can get on here and tell some story. How we feel don't really mean a thing, though when it comes to the question of this thread.
What does scripture say? Will God just beam us up to paradise? Hardly!
First off I was being facetious when I said, "beam me up." Second I prayed and conversed with God a long time prior to my attempt, are you saying he wasn't listening to me? I am here today because he was and he knew my true heart and mind. I do not feel like I turned my back on God, but rather I turned to him. Can you show me a specific scripture that says if you commit suicide your damned for all time?
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Someone wants to bring up Sampson. This was NOT suicide, but a heroic act of war against the enemy. He prayed God to give him strength to push the pillars down to destroy the enemy! Again, NOT suicide.
It was not a heroic act Samson committed, but an act of revenge. He did commit suicide, he didn't have to die but he asked God to let him die. I would wager he did so because of the guilt he was feeling for betraying God and his people for the love of a Philistine woman.
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Two examples of someone in scripture committing suicide:
1. Judas Iscariot. If you think this man was saved, then nothing I say will convince you of anything. The man died without salvation.
2. The former King Saul. He became rejected of God even before death. Icabod, or "the Spirit has departed". The man was unrepentant, and trying to murder God's anointed was his agenda.
Who's to say Judas Iscariot wasn't forgiven? I would think Jesus would have forgiven him for betraying him and that's what led to his suicide.
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We can go out and kill someone praying "God forgive me, I just can't help myself", but that doesn't mean we will be forgiven. Suicide is no different. You can convince yourself to ease your conscience, but that doesn't mean God's says "Ok, come on up. Your forgiven".
Think of how SELFISH the act of suicide is. Leaving people that love you to hurt. Leaving people that love you in despair. Leaving people that love you to clean up your mess. Leaving people that love you to live the rest of their lifetime trying to answer questions. Many times filled with unnecessary guilt of "what could I have done?"
God has a better way, and that is called faith in Him.
"But without faith, it is impossible to please God, for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him."
Suicide is a complete lack of faith. It's tempting God. It's taking God's control of life out of God's hands and unrightfully taking control of life. "God I'm gonna pull the plug. I'm not leaving it to you. But I'm asking forgiveness (not repentance...big difference) so you are required to forgive me." That's not reality.
It's not forgiven. It's not a way out.
I must wonder why you are so hellbent on making suicide an unforgivable sin, even if the person is not in the right state of mind. How do you know suicide is unforgiven? Do you know God's mind? It sounds more like your trying to convince yourself it's unforgivable to keep yourself safe.
I disagree with you about it being a lack of faith in God, for some people it is the total opposite. I had total faith in God that is why I prayed and conversed with God before my attempt. My lack of faith was in the World.
 Bravo Zulu to Phosadaud and Psalm274!!!!
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/17/2009 5:52:21 PM
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It's not forgiven.
You are correct that it's not a way out, but you are incorrect that it's not forgiven. According to Scripture, only ONE SINGLE SIN is unforgiven - and suicide isn't the one listed. Do you think the Bible messed up? Or do you believe Scripture is true when it says what ONLY sin that is unforgiven is? (Just something to think about - Scripture has some pretty harsh words to say about adding to the Word.  )
1JN 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Suicide is a MURDERER. Plain and simple!
I'm adding nothing, but you certainly are twisting this by same I am. I'm giving facts that several are ignoring.
I've made my statements, which are not what "I feel", but what the scripture states.
I'm done with this thread.
Good day.
Read the entire passage. Better yet, read this passage - especially the last verse:
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Again, there is only one sin that will keep us from eternity and will not be forgiven. One. And again, suicide isn't it.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/17/2009 6:59:57 PM
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You're going about this backwards. I'll say it again. It's not that suicide isn't forgivable. The fact remains that the 'majority' of suicides are from people who were NEVER Christians in the first place. Therefore the issue of forgiveness is totally irrelevant.
In those cases, you are right. It's totally irrelevant.
Finally...we agree.
On another note, perhaps you could be a little more respectful and call me by my correct name. That's twice you've called me 'Bobby'
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/17/2009 10:35:38 PM
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Off Topic, but I want to say this because I keep reading it through-out this OP.
Blasphemy is not denying Jesus. Blasphemy of the HOLY GHOST (which is the unforgivable sin) is attributing the third person in the God-head and the manifestations of the Holy Ghost as being of and from the devil. It is denying the truth of the Holy Ghost. It is speaking against the Holy Ghost and saying that the workings of the Holy Ghost are not real. Scoffing at the Holy Ghost and Him - the third PERSON in the Trinity. THAT is what Blasphemy is.
As far as whether or not suicide is forgiven, no one really knows because no one has been successful and then been able to come back and tell us the answer. But murder is a sin. Sin will not enter into Heaven. Sin has to be repented of and forgiven. Only God knows if a person who commits suicide had time in that last second to repent and receive forgiveness.
So why debate something that no one but God knows the answer for absolutely sure??? However, I sure wouldn't take a chance on it.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/17/2009 11:16:32 PM
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Off Topic, but I want to say this because I keep reading it through-out this OP.
Blasphemy is not denying Jesus. Blasphemy of the HOLY GHOST (which is the unforgivable sin) is attributing the third person in the God-head and the manifestations of the Holy Ghost as being of and from the devil. It is denying the truth of the Holy Ghost. It is speaking against the Holy Ghost and saying that the workings of the Holy Ghost are not real. Scoffing at the Holy Ghost and Him - the third PERSON in the Trinity. THAT is what Blasphemy is.
As far as whether or not suicide is forgiven, no one really knows because no one has been successful and then been able to come back and tell us the answer. But murder is a sin. Sin will not enter into Heaven. Sin has to be repented of and forgiven. Only God knows if a person who commits suicide had time in that last second to repent and receive forgiveness.
So why debate something that no one but God knows the answer for absolutely sure??? However, I sure wouldn't take a chance on it.
Umm! That has already been covered in this thread 
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/18/2009 12:29:48 AM
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You're going about this backwards. I'll say it again. It's not that suicide isn't forgivable. The fact remains that the 'majority' of suicides are from people who were NEVER Christians in the first place. Therefore the issue of forgiveness is totally irrelevant.
In those cases, you are right. It's totally irrelevant.
Finally...we agree.
On another note, perhaps you could be a little more respectful and call me by my correct name. That's twice you've called me 'Bobby'
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Hey Euty, some of my friends used to call me Bobbi, so if you feel the need to call someone Bobbi you can call me that. Just please use an "i" and not a "y" at the end.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/18/2009 12:49:04 AM
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As far as whether or not suicide is forgiven, no one really knows because no one has been successful and then been able to come back and tell us the answer. But murder is a sin. Sin will not enter into Heaven. Sin has to be repented of and forgiven. Only God knows if a person who commits suicide had time in that last second to repent and receive forgiveness.
So why debate something that no one but God knows the answer for absolutely sure??? However, I sure wouldn't take a chance on it.
So, I guess when Samson asked God for the strength to levy the Philistine temple and asked specifically "LET ME DIE with the Philistines," Samson was in sin even for requesting such a thing. One can deduct from Samson making the specific request to die, he wouldn't have died otherwise. What was Samson's reason for such a request could it be he was ashamed, overwrought, felt hopeless, clinically depressed etc.? Whatever the reason God willingly obliged Samson's request. I think it should be duly noted Samson prayed to God before he committed the act otherwise he wouldn't have had the strength to do it. Since God granted Samson's request do you really think Samson doesn't have a place in heaven?
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/18/2009 2:00:29 PM
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If a Christian Commits Suicide,
Is He Still Forgiven?
Excerpt From C.A.R.M
This might seem like a perplexing question, but it does have an answer. Though the Christian who has committed suicide has committed a grave sin, he is still forgiven. But, in order to understand why a Christian who commits suicide is forgiven, we first need to understand what salvation is and what it is based upon.
Salvation is the state of being saved from God's judgment upon the sinner. The only way to be saved is to trust Jesus for the forgiveness of one's sins (John 14:6, Acts 4:12). All who do not trust Jesus alone, by faith (Rom. 5:1; Rom. 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) are not forgiven and go to hell when they die (Matt. 25:46; John 3:18). When Jesus forgives someone, He forgives all their sins and gives them eternal life and they shall never perish (John 10:28). He does not give them temporary eternal life -- otherwise, it would not be eternal.
Salvation is not based upon what you do. In other words, you don't have to obey any Law of God in order to become saved. This is because no one is saved by keeping the Law of God (Gal. 2:21; Rom. 3:24-28). But that does not mean that you can go and sin all you want. Rom. 6:1-3 expressly condemns such action. Instead, we are saved for the purpose of purity (1 Thess. 4:7). Our salvation is strictly by God's: "By grace through faith you have been saved…" (Eph. 2:8). Other than acting by faith in trusting and accepting what Jesus did on the cross, you don't do a thing (John 1:12-3) in order to become saved. Since you did not get your salvation by what you did, you can not lose it by what you do.
Is repentance necessary for salvation?
This is a good question and the answer is yes -- and no. Now, before you throw stones, hear me out. Repentance is a necessary result of the saving work of God, not the cause of salvation. If repentance brought salvation, then salvation is by works; or rather, the ceasing of bad works. That isn't how it works. God grants repentance to the Christian (2 Tim. 2:25). The Christian then turns from his sin; that is, he stops sinning. He is able to repent because he is saved, not to get saved.
In 1 John 1:9 it says, "If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Confession of sin and its natural result of repentance are necessary elements of the Christian's life. But, what about the sins that we do not know we commit? If we do not confess them and do not repent of them, are we still saved? Of course we are! Otherwise, we would be forced to confess and repent of every single sin we ever commit. In effect, we'd be back under the Law, living by a rule of absolute repentance of every detail lest you be damned. This is bondage, not freedom. Jesus said His yoke was light, not hard (Matt. 11:27-30).
So, repentance is not the cause of salvation, but it is a result of salvation. The believer repents from his sins upon trusting in Christ and thereafter, continues to repent of further sins that the Lord reveals to him.
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Is the Christian forgiven for suicide? Yes. But suicide is not an option. We do not have the right to take our own lives. That belongs to God.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/18/2009 6:27:46 PM
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So, I guess when Samson asked God for the strength to levy the Philistine temple and asked specifically "LET ME DIE with the Philistines," Samson was in sin even for requesting such a thing. One can deduct from Samson making the specific request to die, he wouldn't have died otherwise. What was Samson's reason for such a request could it be he was ashamed, overwrought, felt hopeless, clinically depressed etc.? Whatever the reason God willingly obliged Samson's request. I think it should be duly noted Samson prayed to God before he committed the act otherwise he wouldn't have had the strength to do it. Since God granted Samson's request do you really think Samson doesn't have a place in heaven?
I like the way you brought that out.
The simple fact is...God answered Samson's prayer. If Samson's prayer was out of line, God wouldn't have answered it. I'm having a hard time understanding why some people in this thread can't figure that out.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/18/2009 6:58:06 PM
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So, I guess when Samson asked God for the strength to levy the Philistine temple and asked specifically "LET ME DIE with the Philistines," Samson was in sin even for requesting such a thing. One can deduct from Samson making the specific request to die, he wouldn't have died otherwise. What was Samson's reason for such a request could it be he was ashamed, overwrought, felt hopeless, clinically depressed etc.? Whatever the reason God willingly obliged Samson's request. I think it should be duly noted Samson prayed to God before he committed the act otherwise he wouldn't have had the strength to do it. Since God granted Samson's request do you really think Samson doesn't have a place in heaven?
I like the way you brought that out.
The simple fact is...God answered Samson's prayer. If Samson's prayer was out of line, God wouldn't have answered it. I'm having a hard time understanding why some people in this thread can't figure that out.
Thanks for liking that.
I feel like God answered my prayer too, though it wasn't what I expected I'm really glad to be alive now and in fact have a greater appreciation for life. I found out a couple of months later how needed I was when my mother was diagnosed with inoperable cancer. If I had succeeded in my attempt my mother would not have lasted two years, past the two months the doctors said she had. She had a very peaceful passing with all her family surrounding her and telling her how much we loved her. So, I am very grateful God rejected my prayer.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 10:11:48 AM
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It's not forgiven.
So if you go to the dr. and he tells you that you need to cut out the fat in your diet and exercise more, but you ignore that warning and you have a heart attack and die. Are you forgiven?
That's quite a stretch don't you think?
No stretch at all. Acting with knowledge in that case is unequivocal self murder without excuse.
However, if one's ability to reason is seriously hampered by disease, then, no, it's not sin.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 10:16:01 AM
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I've made my statements, which are not what "I feel", but what the scripture states.
Even under OT Law, acting in ignorance was significantly different. Under grace, all our hope is in Jesus Christ, not our works. In Christ, a believer's works are judged for rewards, not put on scales to weigh against requirements of Law.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 10:43:16 AM
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On another note, perhaps you could be a little more respectful and call me by my correct name. That's twice you've called me 'Bobby'
No offense intended, Robert. I will sincerely try to remember in the future.
People have addressed me as Euty, Eut, UT, Euchytus, and several other misspellings of my handle. IRL, my grandmother and mom both have called me Donald, Fletcher, and a few other names not even close to my own. As long as I've known they were addressing me, it wasn't an issue. But I try to respect others that feel stronger about how they are addressed.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 11:22:58 AM
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delete123 - Please tell me which post number you are referring to in your post number 633. Thanks.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 11:57:50 AM
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As far as whether or not suicide is forgiven, no one really knows because no one has been successful and then been able to come back and tell us the answer. But murder is a sin. Sin will not enter into Heaven. Sin has to be repented of and forgiven. Only God knows if a person who commits suicide had time in that last second to repent and receive forgiveness.
I have witnessed a few deaths and I am aware of many, many more. Few people have a lot of opportunity to do an indepth inventory of sin in their last moments. Is it your belief that a person must have confessed every single sin before death overtakes them or they are eternally lost even if they gave their life to Jesus 50 years earlier and had lived as close to Him as possible except for a lie or a simple theft or a moment of hate for another occurred just a moments before a truck or a bullet instantly took their life?
If so, isn't that a salvation of works instead of grace through faith?
If not, just which sins are safe to have on your record unconfessed before an instaneous death overtakes you?
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 12:59:15 PM
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I just wanted to make 2 points:
1. Not believe in OSAS does not necessitate believing that a person who commits suicide is going to hell. Most who are not OSAS believe that one does not lose their salvation by committing a sin and not repenting fast enough. That is simply wrong. When Jesus promised the thief dying next to him on the cross that he would be with him in paradise, he didn't put a caveat in there about making sure he repends really fast if he sins before he dies. One does not have to live in fear that they will be struck by a meteor and not have time to repent of the last sin they committed. Most who are not OSAS believe that it is a conscious decision over time to deliberately walk away from God and reject the gift they were given. Committing a sin or forgetting to confess one is not deliberately choosing to reject God. It is a part of the human condition - the part that Christ died for on the cross. All that to say that believing OSAS or not has nothing to do with whether one believes suicide is somehow the one exception to God's promise that ALL our sins are forgiven.
I was not trying to imply that everyone that believes in conditional security believes that committing a sin is what causes one to no longer be saved. I tried to word my post to show that among those that believe in conditional security, there are different beliefs on this. For example, "...or they would believe that the act of suicide would be possible evidence that the person had fallen away from Christ and was no longer saved (or also would be possible evidence that the person was never saved to begin with)" - this could be an example of those that believe for a Christian to no longer be saved, the person would have to make a conscious decision that he no longer wanted to be saved (or he stopped believing that Christ was God and could save, etc.) - and beliefs differ on when that line is actually crossed. However, from what I have read, there are those that believe that certain sins, such as murder, if not repented of, will cause a person to no longer be saved.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 3:38:00 PM
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I love God & Jesus very much but I am haveing a very hard time,I was born premature and I am a special needs person and I live with my parents,They treat me very Well and I know I am loved,and they see that I get everything I possibley need and want so no one in my family is the cause for my feelings
But the problems with life,not being able to work and do things like everyone else,really gets me down,I lost one of my only true friends back in 2004 in a car accident and that has really hurt my life and my outlook as I was already dealing with things that were just hard for me to accept mainly the things that I canno't change,
I've never had a relationship with anyone or that special someone and that makes me lonly too sometimes,
I really deal with Deep depression at times and I fight it daily and theres times where I just want to give up and just quit,theres times where I just don't want to fight,
I feel I have some form of a mental illness but my family and I've told many think that I am fine and maybe there right or maybe its just me,
I do deeply love God & Jesus Christ and I know it says Thou Shalt not Kill but it does say the only unforgivable sin is Blasphemy against the HolyGhost, I've never done that the way I read it means to speak against it,
If Someone is so truely sad and down and feel they can not go on bescase in there mind they feel they have no purpose or anything to really shoot for and they were honest with God about how they felt and that they just wanted to be with him is there anyway they could get mercy or grace threw God's Love I mean He sees us inside and out and he knows all about us,
if a person prayes and tells God they just want to be with him and they can't take the way things are would God grant mercy to that person if that person truely was honest with God about what they were wanting to do?
I defently believe in God I just have a hard time with depression and I have adhd as well as some form of Bi-polar
I love my family deeply but I also feel depressed and its just hard for me and I just sometimes want out of my emotional and deep sorrow at times,
Thank you all for your time. 
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 4:11:58 PM
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if a person prayes and tells God they just want to be with him and they can't take the way things are would God grant mercy to that person if that person truely was honest with God about what they were wanting to do? In my case, when I got to that point and told God the if He wanted me to carry on He'd have to do something, He did. He lifted the depression from me and I haven't looked back in the 8 years since He did. And I mean I could physically feel the weight lift off my shoulders.
He can, will, and does help. You just have to ask. Sometimes more than once. Never give up. You never know what the next minute will bring.
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He bloodies your nose and then gives you a ride home on his bike"
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 4:13:52 PM
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uncabeeil
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if a person prayes and tells God they just want to be with him and they can't take the way things are would God grant mercy to that person if that person truely was honest with God about what they were wanting to do? In my case, when I got to that point and told God the if He wanted me to carry on He'd have to do something, He did. He lifted the depression from me and I haven't looked back in the 8 years since He did. And I mean I could physically feel the weight lift off my shoulders.
He can, will, and does help. You just have to ask. Sometimes more than once. Never give up. You never know what the next minute will bring.
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He bloodies your nose and then gives you a ride home on his bike"
Rich Mullins
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/19/2009 5:08:29 PM
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For anyone who feels depressed there are several resources that may help you obtain professional help:
http://www.crosswalk.com/root/1181112/page0/
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/20/2009 12:42:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: Eutychus
However, if one's ability to reason is seriously hampered by disease, then, no, it's not sin.
I'd like to see that statement backed up with scripture...
When God gave Moses the 10 commandments he said this:
Exodus 20:13 You shall not murder.
Now...the problem here is, I'm looking for some technicalities...but, they just aren't there. The text simply says "Do not murder".
Lets look at some more scripture.
Exodus 21: 12-13 12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate.
If it isn't intentional, then it is NOT suicide...its an accident.
Here again....I'm looking for technicalities, but I don't see them here either.
Back in the day, if you murdered, you were put to death. Apparantly disease did NOT get you out of the death penalty.
We can see that in Bible times, God did NOT accept intentional murder as acceptatble, regardless of condition of that person.
Anyways...Eutychus, if you want to dispute this, please back it up with scripture.
Thanks,
Robert.
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RE: is suicide forgiven? - 1/20/2009 1:41:01 AM
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PinkCarnations
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ORIGINAL: Robert_G
Exodus 21: 12-13 12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate.
If it isn't intentional, then it is NOT suicide...its an accident.
Here again....I'm looking for technicalities, but I don't see them here either.
Back in the day, if you murdered, you were put to death. Apparantly disease did NOT get you out of the death penalty.
Many suicides are not intentional
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