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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Christian Knowing Jesus is the only way, is the test to see if you are really a Christian. That is not a work in progress, that is where you know you are saved are not. God does not expect you to give up you hertiage, but he wants you to be a Christian first, and a ethnic concerns to be next. You are right, God made you who you are and you are special in that, but, it can all work togather in Gods Rainbow. As far as BO than, he needs to read the scripture " Where Jesus ask his Disciples " Who do you say that I am?" Who does BO say Jesus is?

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Having watched and listened to this mysterious man, as well as observing those who closely follow him, I would comment:
He's Christian, He's Muslim;
He's black, He's white;
He's poor, He's wealthy;
He's a family man, He's a man from a broken family;
He's baby-faced and innocent, He's a man of great authority;

In short, He's anything you want him to be. Clear as mud?

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If you claim the name of Christ, then believe and SAY what Christ says. (Either he's the only way, or he isn't). You can't have it both ways. Well, actually I guess you can if you're a politician.

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ORIGINAL: hfr

jadab
My point (although admittedly a bit satirical) is simply who is this man? And why are people "foaming at the mouth" over him? Surely you've seen his supporters at his rallies. Some of the women remind me of the groupies at a 1960 Elvis concert, or a Beatles concert. The man could say a cow "oinks" and a pig "moos" and people would break a wrist clapping, only to be wiping tears before he's done speaking.
As far as who closely follows him, Ophrah and other Hollywood celebs.
We already established that both his fathers are Muslim and he attended a Muslim school as a child (of course we know he didn't have a choice in these situations, but he has had at least some Muslim upbringing).As far as his race, I don't think that's an issue.

My point is you simply cannot be all things to all people (let's all join hands and sing "We are the World.")
You have to take a stand. If you claim the name of Christ, then believe and SAY what Christ says. (Either he's the only way, or he isn't). You can't have it both ways. Well, actually I guess you can if you're a politician.

I'm not judging his commitment to God. I sincerely hope he's a true born-again Christian. But you've got to admit he's a little vague on the issues and there needs to be more depth to his message than simply "change." Time will certainly tell if he's truly a positive agent of change or masquerading as an "angel of light."

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If you claim the name of Christ, then believe and SAY what Christ says. (Either he's the only way, or he isn't). You can't have it both ways. Well, actually I guess you can if you're a politician.


Do you hold all candidates to the same standard?

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ORIGINAL: hfr

Funny you asked. I did vote for a candidate that fit that standard. Gov. Huckabee happens to be a friend of the family, and he's the real deal. I'm not "buddies" with him (would love to be), but I've talked to him, heard him preach a revival in my church..probably 15 years ago, and followed his tenure as Gov. Not only that, he's every much an intellectual as anybody out there.

In regards to the other, where have we PROVEN false that in fact Sen. Obama's real dad and step-dad are not Muslim? And did he or did he not attend a public school in a Muslim state of Indonesia while in elementary school? (I didn't say it was a radical Jihadist school as some have said, I don't personally know) If this is false, then somebody better alert the secular media, because I saw and heard this on a documentary about Obama on TV.

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ORIGINAL: HansC

Closie asked:

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can you explain what you mean by Christian values or Christian position?

I mean the Christian position on salvation and the value we put on the blood of Christ. My point is that Obama says he is a Christian, and many will take him as representative of Christianity, yet he does not in many ways, believe those essential points of doctrine that makes a Christian a Christian. Note what he said in an interview.


"He added, "I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people, that there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and that there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."

"The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they’re going to hell," he told Falsini. She said Obama did not believe that he or anyone else was going to hell and that he wasn't sure he was going to heaven either. "What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. "

Are these the statements of someone who represents the Christian belief?

Hans

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ORIGINAL: Closie
But regarding Obama, what difference does it make where he went to school or what faith his parents were?

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ORIGINAL: Closie
But regarding Obama, what difference does it make where he went to school or what faith his parents were?

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ORIGINAL: hfr

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ORIGINAL: Closie
But regarding Obama, what difference does it make where he went to school or what faith his parents were?

Do you have children and if so do you have any concern what your children are being exposed to at school in the formative years of their life?
Do you think it matters what faith your spouse is?
What difference does it make? (Ok, let's all join hands and sing verse 2 of We are the World)

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What you're seem to be saying is that you could never trust a person for office who didn't grow up in a Christian home.

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My point (although admittedly a bit satirical) is simply who is this man? And why are people "foaming at the mouth" over him? Surely you've seen his supporters at his rallies. Some of the women remind me of the groupies at a 1960 Elvis concert, or a Beatles concert. The man could say a cow "oinks" and a pig "moos" and people would break a wrist clapping, only to be wiping tears before he's done speaking.
As far as who closely follows him, Ophrah and other Hollywood celebs.
We already established that both his fathers are Muslim and he attended a Muslim school as a child (of course we know he didn't have a choice in these situations, but he has had at least some Muslim upbringing).
As far as his race, I don't think that's an issue.

My point is you simply cannot be all things to all people (let's all join hands and sing "We are the World.")
You have to take a stand. If you claim the name of Christ, then believe and SAY what Christ says. (Either he's the only way, or he isn't). You can't have it both ways. Well, actually I guess you can if you're a politician.

I'm not judging his commitment to God. I sincerely hope he's a true born-again Christian. But you've got to admit he's a little vague on the issues and there needs to be more depth to his message than simply "change." Time will certainly tell if he's truly a positive agent of change or masquerading as an "angel of light."

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ORIGINAL: jstbeliev

Greetings all,
I don't know if he is in the family of God or not...only God knows. But he does hold to the doctrines of the church where he attends. I agree 100% with the poster who brought up the rainbow statement because I seriously doubt heaven will be divided with blacks in one corner of heaven, whites in another, hispanics in another...come on....I am an African American but I wasn't raised in Africa. I salute those pioneers, those brave souls who fought and gave their lives for justice, peace and freedom of rights in this nation. But to worship one's race is to seclude oneself. If I were to worship my "blackness" and seclude my other brothers and sisters just because they can't "relate" to our plight is in itself...a racism. The first truth I learned was that it was not about "me". And it sure aint about us African Americans...God has brought us a long way and I thank God that I was born in America...I could've been worshipping some wooden stick creature, creating voodoo spells on my way to hell but God lifted us up and out and now we go back and teach them...Christ Jesus, the Savior and Lord, praise Him! It aint about me or us...it is all about the LORD and how we, the delivered, the sanctified and cleansed are to go out and preach Jesus crucified, buried and risen. That alone should drive us and consume us...to be about our Fathers' work til we die. We are all the family of God. Jesus told them as he looked around..."these are my brothers, my sisters and my mother". There is a spirit which desires to divide the Body of Christ. We are to worship Christ in oneness and in truth. Be proud of your heritage but be more concerned with your heritage in heaven. It far exceeds the issues man has placed on this earth. The other thing is the fact that Obama's church does believe in homosexual freedom in the church. His church was the first "christian" church to ordain a gay clergyman. That is a fact and a truth. It also goes against the Biblical truths as laid out by God through His servants.

Would I vote for him? I would, if I felt an impression from God to do so. But from the beginning...something in my spirit wasn't right about him and that was before I had even researched him. To this day...I don't feel right in my spirit about him but God sets up kings and lays them down. He sets up presidents and lays them down. Only God knows exactly what He his doing, in this nation, yea, even in this world, amen. So children...obey your spirit for He knows best and be led by the Spirit for by this will we know we are the children of God. Romans 8:14. Do what God would have you do...then do it...and nothing else. Doesn't really matter how we "feel" what matters is if we will obey the Lord God of Israel to His glory and for His pleasure.

Be blessed all,

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

that was the most wonderful post, i have read in a long, long, time. blessings

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ME--God bless you too lightshineon...in my church, we have so many different creeds, nationalities, languages that it doesn't even faze us any more...we have one common goal...Jesus...I would seriously have to wonder about a congregation that adhere's to the doctrine "we four and no more". I love my friends who are Caucasian, African, German, Puerto Rican, Asian, Jamaican, British and of my very best friends who is Cuban. We don't even look at our skin or where we've been...we look to where we're going, praise Jehova, the Lord of Hosts. We know the struggles of the past, but ah, there is Jesus, Who abolished the sins of the past, lives in the present and is already there in our future and Who paid it all! Hallelujah!

Well...guess I better do some work for I start shouting up in here

Be blessed always in the Lord and have a superfantastic day!

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Why should you die? HE already died for you...

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ORIGINAL: jstbeliev

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

that was the most wonderful post, i have read in a long, long, time. blessings

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ORIGINAL: jstbeliev


ME--God bless you too lightshineon...in my church, we have so many different creeds, nationalities, languages that it doesn't even faze us any more...we have one common goal...Jesus...I would seriously have to wonder about a congregation that adhere's to the doctrine "we four and no more". I love my friends who are Caucasian, African, German, Puerto Rican, Asian, Jamaican, British and of my very best friends who is Cuban. We don't even look at our skin or where we've been...we look to where we're going, praise Jehova, the Lord of Hosts. We know the struggles of the past, but ah, there is Jesus, Who abolished the sins of the past, lives in the present and is already there in our future and Who paid it all! Hallelujah!

Well...guess I better do some work for I start shouting up in here

Be blessed always in the Lord and have a superfantastic day!

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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
F.T., 2007

Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.

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Obama has a muslim background..red flag! Obama claims to be a Christian...doubtful! Change is one of his key campaign words...Yellow flag! One thought that has went through my mind is that if Obama gets into the White House of the United States of America he could at anytime be a "funnel" for further muslim infiltration. Overall the muslims hate America. What better way to further their agenda than to get "one of their own" in one of the most powerful positions in the USA. Sure his connection may be from his past, but they know they have to go around acting like the rest of us in order to be able to get to their ultimate goal. What an Obamanation it could be. Sally

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If I were to worship my "blackness" and seclude my other brothers and sisters just because they can't "relate" to our plight is in itself...a racism. The first truth I learned was that it was not about "me". And it sure aint about us African Americans...God has brought us a long way and I thank God that I was born in America...I could've been worshipping some wooden stick creature, creating voodoo spells on my way to hell but God lifted us up and out and now we go back and teach them...Christ Jesus, the Savior and Lord, praise Him! It aint about me or us...it is all about the LORD and how we, the delivered, the sanctified and cleansed are to go out and preach Jesus crucified, buried and risen. That alone should drive us and consume us...to be about our Fathers' work til we die. We are all the family of God. Jesus told them as he looked around..."these are my brothers, my sisters and my mother". There is a spirit which desires to divide the Body of Christ. We are to worship Christ in oneness and in truth. Be proud of your heritage but be more concerned with your heritage in heaven. It far exceeds the issues man has placed on this earth. The other thing is the fact that Obama's church does believe in homosexual freedom in the church. His church was the first "christian" church to ordain a gay clergyman.