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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/23/2008 8:33:10 AM
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Is it really a good thing to have a non-informed populace choosing our representatives just because they want to be "on the bandwagon"?
No, it is bad reason, as is voting for someone just because they have an "R" or a "D" after their name without bothering to see where they stand on issues. There are dozens of stupid reason to vote for someone. Face it, most poeple don't bother to research candidates. Instead, they focus on superficial issues.
A candidate that cannot speak well won't get far, no matter how many great their ideas are.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/23/2008 12:06:26 PM
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A candidate that cannot speak well won't get far, no matter how many great their ideas are. I was talking about this with some one last night. He was telling of listening to Allen Keyes give a speech and found he was drifting away from what the message was because he was focusing instead on the supurb presentation and impeccable English, and how it seems with Obama that folks aren't listeniing to what he's saying as much as how he says it. The same is true with GW Bush, they listen to the flubbing of the language rather than what the message is. It seemed that with Bush enough got past the way he speaks and instead heard what it was he was saying, so your contention that one who speaks poorly won't get far just fell apart.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/23/2008 12:36:38 PM
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I was talking about this with some one last night. He was telling of listening to Allen Keyes give a speech and found he was drifting away from what the message was because he was focusing instead on the supurb presentation and impeccable English, and how it seems with Obama that folks aren't listeniing to what he's saying as much as how he says it.
The same was true of Ronald Reagan....
The very purpose of a stump speech is to inspire, excite and prompt people to action.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/23/2008 4:33:42 PM
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IMHO, I think Republicans are scared if Obama is the democratic nominee for the bid for president - because he is so articulate; young; his 'Change' theme is very credible. Republicans have to, then, find some way to demonize Obama, and it looks like they have. From cult conspiracies to making a play on one of his names...in other words, tactics that quite plainly lack any sort of class, substance, credibility. Really - it is so transparent, it's actually amusing.
I do agree that Republicans have much to fear from Obama hysteria ( I think we all do) and I do agree that the whole name thing is ridiculous - but at this juncture, it's hardly Republicans who are doing most of the demonizing, as Bil and Hil have demonstrated.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/23/2008 6:31:32 PM
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IMHO, I think Republicans are scared if Obama is the democratic nominee for the bid for president - because he is so articulate; young; his 'Change' theme is very credible. Republicans have to, then, find some way to demonize Obama, and it looks like they have. From cult conspiracies to making a play on one of his names...in other words, tactics that quite plainly lack any sort of class, substance, credibility. Really - it is so transparent, it's actually amusing.
I do agree that Republicans have much to fear from Obama hysteria ( I think we all do) and I do agree that the whole name thing is ridiculous - but at this juncture, it's hardly Republicans who are doing most of the demonizing, as Bil and Hil have demonstrated.
You notice it was after Bill went on a rampage of shaking his finger and chastizing people that Hillary started sinking in her race for the nomination.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/23/2008 7:27:05 PM
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You notice it was after Bill went on a rampage of shaking his finger and chastizing people that Hillary started sinking in her race for the nomination.
That and his playing the race card, and the back door drug insinuations, and the recent back door plagiarism charge, etc. I am not sure why these things are being blamed on Republicans.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/23/2008 7:31:45 PM
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I am not sure why these things are being blamed on Republicans. Because if you had paid attention over the last 7 years you'd have seen - it's all Bush's fault! 
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 5:19:39 PM
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IMHO, I think Republicans are scared if Obama is the democratic nominee for the bid for president - because he is so articulate; young; his 'Change' theme is very credible. Republicans have to, then, find some way to demonize Obama, and it looks like they have. From cult conspiracies to making a play on one of his names...in other words, tactics that quite plainly lack any sort of class, substance, credibility. Really - it is so transparent, it's actually amusing.
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I do agree that Republicans have much to fear from Obama hysteria ( I think we all do) and I do agree that the whole name thing is ridiculous - but at this juncture, it's hardly Republicans who are doing most of the demonizing, as Bil and Hil have demonstrated.
I agree and disagree with you. I agree that the Bill/Hill campaign is waging a nasty war on Obama - but, like everyone, the voters do not like this and I strongly believe this is one of the main reasons Hillary is losing to Obama. And I must say, Huckabye is one classy guy - I really like him.
However, I am responding to the Republican supporters here. Most do not even want to address a point that I think needs addressing - the issue of abortion. I responded to you in another Obama thread with it - you did not repsond - perhaps you did not see it. I will repost here:
"Hi Jack,
Can you confirm that there will be a need to appoint a SC justice in the next term?
Can you confirm that Obama will use a pro-abortion litmus test on SC justice nominees?
Can you confirm that McCain will use a pro-life litmus test on SC justice nominees?
If you can on any of the aforementioned, please provide links, as I cannot find any confirmation on the aforementioned.
BTW, McCain does not have the strongest record on being pro-life (66% by the NRLC), and he has publicly stated that he believe abortions be legal only in cases of rape, incest or when the mothers life is endangered - I can of course provide links.
There are pro-choice Republican politicians just like there are pro-life Democrat politicians. I honestly do not think that much will change with the SC on the issue of RVW. 7/9 current SC justices were appointed by Republican presidents, some with a Republican-controlled congress - and STILL RVW has not been overturned. I think it's wrong that 9 black-robed justices have jurisdiction over sanctitiy of life - I do believe this jurisdiction should be returned to the states. Going through the judicial arm of the government does not seem to be working - wouldn't you agree?
Why, if Republican politicians are truly pro-life, why don't the Republican politicians support Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life bill, HR 2597? Why, if Republican politicians are truly pro-life, why didn't the Republican politicians support a bill like Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life bill, HR 2597, when they controlled both the legislative and executive branches of government from 2000-2006? There is a clause in the Constituion that allows the leglislative branch to check the judicial branch - rightly so - if the 9 robed people are not speaking for us, then Congress has to. Overturning RVW through the SC is not working - why, if Republican politicans are truly pro-life, why don't Republican politicians go through Congress to return jurisdiction to states (like it would if RVW would be overturned) on the matter of sanctity of life?
I am an independent - I used to call myself a pro-life Democrat - but have been corrected - I've been told I'm an independent because I'm not registered to either party, and share beliefs of both. The only issue I agree with Republicans on is the abortion issue. But, in terms of overturning RVW - I don't think it matters who you vote for, Democrat, Republican, given the aforementioned.
Peace and God bless"
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Now, not only do I tire of people with their Obama cult conspiracy theories, and the play on one of his names, but I really tire of the whole 'if you vote for Democrat', you're aiding murderers, with regards to the abortion issue. That whole argument is plain ludicrous to begin with. That's just like saying if you don't vote for politician that supports gun control, you're aiding murderers who go out and shoot at people with these ill-gotten guns. People that vote Democrat are NOT forcing people to have abortions. People that vote Democrat do not advise people to have abortions. Women (and really, their mates, MEN) CHOOSE to have abortions. It's a silly argument with no merit. And it is a scare tactic that drives independents like me away from voting for Republicans.
It's especially silly when you really look into the issue of abortion and discover that, the party the champions themselves as taking the moral high horse, the Republican party, is not perfect on the issue of abortion either -especially given the aforementioned.
I agree with Ron Paul, his co-sponsors, and many voters (and SteveSund here), there is a clause in the Constitution, Sec. 2 of Art. III:
"In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."
I imagine this is in the Constitution for the express time when the 9 black-robe people are not speaking for us - so it is Congress's duty to step in and speak for us.
Republicans had a golden opportunity to pass what Ron Paul is trying to pass right now (HR 2597 Sanctity of Life bill), from 2000-2006 when Republicans controlled the executive and legislative branches of government - and they did NOT. The Republicans - the ones who champion themselves as being pro-life.
I am still undecided as to whom I'd vote for between Obama and McCain. But given the aforementioned, and especially given the lunatic argument that you either vote Republican or you are evil (that seems so pervasive on this website), I'm leaning towards Obama at the moment.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 5:25:04 PM
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his 'Change' theme is very credible.
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Where's the beef?
Maybe if you tried to listen to what he has to say, you'd find out.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 5:28:33 PM
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I'm just waiting for the balloon to pop...
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...pull up a chair and get comfortable...cuz you're in for a long wait ;p
Well said wing2000!
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 5:30:01 PM
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A withdrawal from Iraq, a return to using diplomacy to solve problems.
Health care for all who want it, even poor people.
Policy built from consensus, rather than division.
Americans will no longer be wiretapped without a warrant.
No more simultaneously cutting taxes and expanding spending.
That's a pretty good start!
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Don't forget healing our souls - he promised to do that too.
Here we go again...
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 6:05:31 PM
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I have listened, and it seems shallow. Voting Republican vs. Democrat. I am not going to vote for someone I know is not pro-life. BO tells us where he stands. My parents are democrats, as my inlaws, they are Christians, so no I do not think all Dems are evil. We cannot just withdraw from Iraq. It will take time. I do not understand why people cannot phantom that. Another thread though. Some conservatives are pasionate about pro-life (I am), and how could we in our souls vote for a canidate that is pro-death?
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A withdrawal from Iraq, a return to using diplomacy to solve problems.
Health care for all who want it, even poor people.
Policy built from consensus, rather than division.
Americans will no longer be wiretapped without a warrant.
No more simultaneously cutting taxes and expanding spending.
That's a pretty good start!
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Don't forget healing our souls - he promised to do that too.
Here we go again...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 6:18:03 PM
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Some conservatives are pasionate about pro-life (I am), and how could we in our souls vote for a canidate that is pro-death?
Exactly! One of the things, listed in Scripture that God hates is "hands that shed innocent blood".
If this man is voting pro-abortion, how can I , as a Christian vote for someone who votes legislation that allows hands to shed innocent blood?
And yet the man claims to be a Christian? Something is dreadfully wrong here.
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 8:06:36 PM
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I have listened, and it seems shallow. Voting Republican vs. Democrat. I am not going to vote for someone I know is not pro-life. BO tells us where he stands. My parents are democrats, as my inlaws, they are Christians, so no I do not think all Dems are evil. We cannot just withdraw from Iraq. It will take time. I do not understand why people cannot phantom that. Another thread though. Some conservatives are pasionate about pro-life (I am), and how could we in our souls vote for a canidate that is pro-death?
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A withdrawal from Iraq, a return to using diplomacy to solve problems.
Health care for all who want it, even poor people.
Policy built from consensus, rather than division.
Americans will no longer be wiretapped without a warrant.
No more simultaneously cutting taxes and expanding spending.
That's a pretty good start!
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Don't forget healing our souls - he promised to do that too.
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Here we go again...
Peace and God bless,
Hi lightsshineon,
1) I am not going to engage in the lunatic argument that if you vote Democrat, you are pro-death. Are you for gun control? If you are, that is on the Democrat platform. One could make the very same arguement that you are making: that if you do not vote for gun control, and someone, whose record was not checked that otherwise would have been checked (thru gun control) went out and blew someone away: that if you do not vote Democrat, you are supporting death. This is the same logic that Republican strategists use in the abortion issue. But I will not use this strategy, because I have a brain and know that the person who chooses to have an abortion, who chooses to buy a gun illegally and end someones life (if there were no gun control) is doing it out of their own volition and NOT due to any political affiliation. BTW, and here's a hint: engaging in this type of arguement will only lead me to doubt your response because it is a ludicrous and transparent argument - only serving to scare people into voting a certain way. I and other independents can see right through it.
2) Republicans are not perfect when it comes to being pro-life either - please see my post #58. I will repost it if you'd like - but, I know it would make a long post even longer. Please respond to all of my points (ie, regarding McCains stance that abortions be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life; and the Republicans inactivity at Sanctitiy of Life thur Congress). If you do not address my points, I will just assume that you do not care to address them because they are true - otherwise, what else could I assume?
Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 8:10:14 PM
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Some conservatives are pasionate about pro-life (I am), and how could we in our souls vote for a canidate that is pro-death?
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Exactly! One of the things, listed in Scripture that God hates is "hands that shed innocent blood".
If this man is voting pro-abortion, how can I , as a Christian vote for someone who votes legislation that allows hands to shed innocent blood?
And yet the man claims to be a Christian? Something is dreadfully wrong here.
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Hi CherisedByGod,
Please see my post #64 - I would repost my same response, but I don't think it's appreciated, so please resond to this post.
Thank you in advance, Peace and God Bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/24/2008 8:32:09 PM
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The right to bear arms is constitutional. Obama has stated his position on abortion. Gay rights. GWhave vetoed partial-birth abortions. how can we say, we do not want our children being gay, have abortions, and so on and vote for a man that holds these views. The president we have shapes the nation. Do you have a percentage of Republicans who are pro-life vs. Democrats. I will not, on the other hand be scared, bullied, whatever to vote for a man I know stands on these principals trying to be PC. I have to give an account for every thought, word, deed, or action someday. Obama is not a Godly man IMHO. I do not swoon or sway, like the nuts at the rallies. If you want to justify voting for him, then whatever it is a free country. It does not make one ignorant to vote thier conviction though. BTW, a tiny baby (unborn) cannot even defend themselves. Would you have your dog or cats brains sucked from thier head, while still alive? I would not that is evil, it is evil, you hear me! to do it to a human baby. I cannot believe a person tries to justify this behavior, and claim to follow Christ. That is not talking about you, but, people that think it is ok to ignore this basic right. Democrats are nearly all pro-death. I know two that are running for President are, and that is all the information I need!
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/25/2008 10:59:10 AM
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The right to bear arms is constitutional. Obama has stated his position on abortion. Gay rights. GWhave vetoed partial-birth abortions. how can we say, we do not want our children being gay, have abortions, and so on and vote for a man that holds these views. The president we have shapes the nation. Do you have a percentage of Republicans who are pro-life vs. Democrats. I will not, on the other hand be scared, bullied, whatever to vote for a man I know stands on these principals trying to be PC. I have to give an account for every thought, word, deed, or action someday. Obama is not a Godly man IMHO. I do not swoon or sway, like the nuts at the rallies. If you want to justify voting for him, then whatever it is a free country. It does not make one ignorant to vote thier conviction though. BTW, a tiny baby (unborn) cannot even defend themselves. Would you have your dog or cats brains sucked from thier head, while still alive? I would not that is evil, it is evil, you hear me! to do it to a human baby. I cannot believe a person tries to justify this behavior, and claim to follow Christ. That is not talking about you, but, people that think it is ok to ignore this basic right. Democrats are nearly all pro-death. I know two that are running for President are, and that is all the information I need!
lightsshineon,
If a man, that otherwise would not have been sold a gun, goes out and blows someone away, and you did not vote for Democrats who support gun control, using the same logic that you used, you could say that you were aiding him. I'm using the same logic that you use: if you do not vote a certain way, then you are supporting murder. I do not subscribe to this sort of logic myself, because it is that of a lunatic.
I honestly do not know what you mean about swoon and sway - I don't do that myself, so....hmmmm....interesting. And, I am not trying to scare anyone into voting, lightsshineon - I have NEVER said 'if you don't vote Democrat, you are aiding murderers that may not have been given a gun' - I said that as example of your logic - and CLEARLY stated that I do not subscribe to that sort of logic. It is you and others that are doing this by saying 'if you vote Democrat, you are aiding murderers' - THAT is scaring people into voting a certain way - it is lunacy, silly, and transparent.
And by the way, please address these points. If you do not, I will assume you agree with them, or can't answer them because, ie, neither candidate really has said if they would use a litmus test for SC justices, on abortion.
Can you confirm that there will be a need to appoint a SC justice in the next term?
Can you confirm that Obama will use a pro-abortion litmus test on SC justice nominees?
Can you confirm that McCain will use a pro-life litmus test on SC justice nominees?
If you can on any of the aforementioned, please provide links, as I cannot find any confirmation on the aforementioned.
BTW, McCain does not have the strongest record on being pro-life (66% by the NRLC), and he has publicly stated that he believe abortions be legal only in cases of rape, incest or when the mothers life is endangered - I can of course provide links.
There are pro-choice Republican politicians just like there are pro-life Democrat politicians. I honestly do not think that much will change with the SC on the issue of RVW. 7/9 current SC justices were appointed by Republican presidents, some with a Republican-controlled congress - and STILL RVW has not been overturned. I think it's wrong that 9 black-robed justices have jurisdiction over sanctitiy of life - I do believe this jurisdiction should be returned to the states. Going through the judicial arm of the government does not seem to be working - wouldn't you agree?
Why, if Republican politicians are truly pro-life, why don't the Republican politicians support Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life bill, HR 2597? Why, if Republican politicians are truly pro-life, why didn't the Republican politicians support a bill like Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life bill, HR 2597, when they controlled both the legislative and executive branches of government from 2000-2006? There is a clause in the Constituion that allows the leglislative branch to check the judicial branch - rightly so - if the 9 robed people are not speaking for us, then Congress has to. Overturning RVW through the SC is not working - why, if Republican politicans are truly pro-life, why don't Republican politicians go through Congress to return jurisdiction to states (like it would if RVW would be overturned) on the matter of sanctity of life?
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/25/2008 1:25:13 PM
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A candidate that cannot speak well won't get far, no matter how many great their ideas are. I was talking about this with some one last night. He was telling of listening to Allen Keyes give a speech and found he was drifting away from what the message was because he was focusing instead on the supurb presentation and impeccable English, and how it seems with Obama that folks aren't listeniing to what he's saying as much as how he says it. The same is true with GW Bush, they listen to the flubbing of the language rather than what the message is. It seemed that with Bush enough got past the way he speaks and instead heard what it was he was saying, so your contention that one who speaks poorly won't get far just fell apart.
Keyes drifted because he's crazy and was probably hearing voices. 
Try reading what I wrote once more Cow...
Not that I suspect it will do any good.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/25/2008 2:41:16 PM
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However, I am responding to the Republican supporters here. Most do not even want to address a point that I think needs addressing - the issue of abortion. I responded to you in another Obama thread with it - you did not repsond - perhaps you did not see it. I will repost here:
I did miss it Liz, sorry.
Lets’ see:
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Can you confirm that there will be a need to appoint a SC justice in the next term?
We have an 88 year old judge and a 75 year old judge; I can say the chances are pretty high.
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Can you confirm that Obama will use a pro-abortion litmus test on SC justice nominees?
Well, Obama is a strong Roe v Wade supporter, and he opposed both Roberts and Alito, so he almost certainly will not appoint justices that will be a threat to Roe v Wade.
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Can you confirm that McCain will use a pro-life litmus test on SC justice nominees?
McCain has consistently been outspoken against Roe v Wade, and consistently supportive of conservative justices, though I think he fumbled it by not strongly opposing the filibuster machinations of the Democrats.
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BTW, McCain does not have the strongest record on being pro-life (66% by the NRLC), and he has publicly stated that he believe abortions be legal only in cases of rape, incest or when the mothers life is endangered - I can of course provide links.
Actually, McCain has voted for every restriction on abortion and for every conservative justice in his tenure as a Senator; his pro-life record in this regard is superb. NRLC’s main problem with McCain is McCain-Feingold – and I agree with NRLC on this, but it doesn’t have anything to do with abortion directly.
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There are pro-choice Republican politicians just like there are pro-life Democrat politicians. I honestly do not think that much will change with the SC on the issue of RVW. 7/9 current SC justices were appointed by Republican presidents, some with a Republican-controlled congress - and STILL RVW has not been overturned. I think it's wrong that 9 black-robed justices have jurisdiction over sanctitiy of life - I do believe this jurisdiction should be returned to the states.
I think that it’s a long haul battle, won trench by trench – and the SC is a key part of it. There are four justices currently on the court (all nominated by Republicans) that are in favor of revising Roe – one more is needed to make that happen. There is little reason to give up on this issue now by voting in a liberal pro-abortion Democratic who will certainly over turn every advance made so far. I think it very likely McCain would nominate that fifth justice, and certainly would nominate conservative lower court justices, which are key to the long term strategy.
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Going through the judicial arm of the government does not seem to be working - wouldn't you agree?
At this point there is no other option – and it certainly won’t get closer under an Obama administration.
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Why, if Republican politicians are truly pro-life, why don't the Republican politicians support Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life bill, HR 2597? Why, if Republican politicians are truly pro-life, why didn't the Republican politicians support a bill like Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life bill, HR 2597, when they controlled both the legislative and executive branches of government from 2000-2006? There is a clause in the Constituion that allows the leglislative branch to check the judicial branch - rightly so - if the 9 robed people are not speaking for us, then Congress has to. Overturning RVW through the SC is not working - why, if Republican politicans are truly pro-life, why don't Republican politicians go through Congress to return jurisdiction to states (like it would if RVW would be overturned) on the matter of sanctity of life?
I think this was introduced in June ’07. It was referred to committee in July ’07. The Dems took control of the House in the fall of ‘07– I am not sure what time there could have been to take action on it, though if it could actually work (it was an unprecedented move) it would have been wonderful. It won’t of course happen under Democratic leadership.
As I said, there are a number of issues that I think the Democrats, and Obama are wrong on, though for me most of them revolve around the court – and I don’t see any evidence whatsoever that Obama wants to restrict the Court to it’s Constitutional parameters.
Peace
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Jack
“I mean to live my life an obedient man, but obedient to God, subservient to the wisdom of my ancestors; never to the authority of political truths arrived at yesterday at the voting booth”
William F. Buckley Jr. 1925-2008
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