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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 12:04:03 PM
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I think I understand where he's going with this, Craig. Sometimes people use God as a reason to not do things, or they SAY that they feel He is telling them something, when that may not always be the case.
Hence the 'I feel like God doesn't want us to date.' yes, that can be the case, but there are people who say it just to avoid being responsible for their actions. It makes it 'easier' to say it's 'God's will' then to flat out say, 'I don't want to'.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 12:33:59 PM
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I agree Tink some people will use that as an excuse but to say some people rely on God too much is rather offensive to me.
John 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
Note the bolded part.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 12:35:05 PM
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ditto to what Craig has said, but not just rather offensive, but highly offensive.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 12:45:39 PM
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I agree with both of you wholeheartedly, however, I was merely trying to clear up some confusion that may have happened. Just because I understand it doesn't mean I agree with it.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 1:08:54 PM
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What concerns me is how some people rely on God a little too much (and not themselves) to make decisions. Or somehow pass the buck to God, as to say it was His decision...not theirs.
Like people breaking up with others, and saying, "God told me that this relationship is not working out". It's kind of like the Christian version of , "It's not you, it's me" routine (quoting George Costanza, lol).
Some Christians (not all) seem to use it as a crutch in life.
JOINING a dating site is not crucial at all....but if you actually start getting serious with some of hte people you meet...then that's when prayer can come in.
IMHO prayer is a continual conversation that happens between the Creator(God of course) and His creation(us).
When that creation chooses to have an intimate, deep relationship with his Creator, there is a continual openness to receive direction, prompting, guidance and love and encouragement from The Holy Spirit.
Prayer consists of asking, blessing, praising, extolling, interceding, learning, receiving, and everything above. I don’t believe prayer can be separated from the relationship we have with our Lord it is in every sense our relationship with Him. “ And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.” John 17:22-23
Excluding Him from any decision we make just doesn’t make sense to me. Even choosing what grocery store to go to. God can and does send us to specific places at specific times to meet a need. Even if it’s something as small as helping an elderly person put their groceries in their car, It could be as big as sharing the good news with someone who is ready to hear it.
edited out sentence (for lack of better wording )
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 1:30:21 PM
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Just chiming in on the "rely on God too much" thing.
I don't think any one relies on God too much but many people use him as an excuse to not do what they are supposed to do.
"Hey Joe!, Aren't you supposed to be paying tithe on that Bonus"
"well I think I have to pray about it"
HOGWASH. The word says pay it. Why pray when the answer is written down in black and white.
"Oh, there's someone who needs help and I'm perfectly capable and perfectly safe in helping them. I better pray to see if I should"
HOGWASH. The bible tells us to help those in need. What more do you need to pray about.
"Maybe I should pray and see whether I should go to church this weekend or go to the race"
HOGWASH. The bible tells us to go to church.
So many people hide behind the "I'll pray about it" line. Normally that has come to mean "I don't want to do that but I don't have a good excuse".
(Sorry for the rant, pet peeve of mine)
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 1:48:24 PM
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WaitingforBoaz
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Just chiming in on the "rely on God too much" thing.
I don't think any one relies on God too much but many people use him as an excuse to not do what they are supposed to do.
"Hey Joe!, Aren't you supposed to be paying tithe on that Bonus"
"well I think I have to pray about it"
HOGWASH. The word says pay it. Why pray when the answer is written down in black and white.
"Oh, there's someone who needs help and I'm perfectly capable and perfectly safe in helping them. I better pray to see if I should"
HOGWASH. The bible tells us to help those in need. What more do you need to pray about.
"Maybe I should pray and see whether I should go to church this weekend or go to the race"
HOGWASH. The bible tells us to go to church.
So many people hide behind the "I'll pray about it" line. Normally that has come to mean "I don't want to do that but I don't have a good excuse".
(Sorry for the rant, pet peeve of mine)
I agree, I despise this as well.
But, IMO, when some one acts this way it is not a "prayer " issue it is a "heart" issue.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 4:45:22 PM
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Yep.
It's not relying on God too much that 900MHZ is pointing out. He just misworded what he meant.
The issue is relying too much on a particular mode of communication that God uses to guide us, such as a gut feeling, a feeling of peace, a vision, a dream, a "supernatural" word of knowledge passed on from one believer to another, and other modes that folks like to cling to.
We are to rely on God, not so much on the "packaging" His answer comes in.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 4:55:24 PM
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The "will of God" is revealed in the bible. I think for our decision making, we should follow the moral will that's given to us. I don't know how the subjective way interpreting God's will became our guidance when it comes to decision making. Wehave freedom to decide as long as it's guided by His moral will. God is sovereign and He will accomplish His sovereign will wether we like to or not. And He will cause everything to work together for good.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 5:25:09 PM
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I think what was meant by "relying on God too much" is that some people want to rely on God's speaking to them so much that they don't use the tools and intellect God so masterfully designed that allows us to figure things out logically and to tap into what the Spirit is telling us. Kind of like the joke about the man trapped in the flood who turns away offer after offer of help because he's "relying on God," except that he isn't relying on God, and he isn't accepting the unastounding means that God may be using to speak or to rescue. (see IKin 19:12 and Ps 139:14)
I think what was meant, in short, is that some people rely too much on GOD and not on God.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 5:28:11 PM
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I read what he wrote twice (2 different posts) instead of speculating what he meant to say or misworded. I would think 900 could easily clear up any confusion about what he said or meant to say on his own.
If I say something that does not come across I as I intended I will attempt to clarify it. I would rather clarify it myself than having others speculating as to what I meant to say.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 5:47:43 PM
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Fair enough.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 6:41:49 PM
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Why would you pray about a decision like that?
Why wouldn't you?
Because it's not a critical decision actually. That's like praying wether or not you should go grocery shopping at the Publix or the Winn-Dixie.
"God, should I use paper or plastic?"
I pray for more situations of where someone is sick or dying, the poor, someone in a crisis.
It is actually a more critical decision than choosing grocery store or paper or plastic bags.
The decision has far more potential future implications, on not only your life but the lives of those you come into contact with on the site, than choosing a grocery store.
I'll also ditto both Besiderself and Shema as they have worded their answers much better then I ever could.
Thank you, trainfan.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 6:43:07 PM
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shemaromans
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What concerns me is how some people rely on God a little too much (and not themselves) to make decisions. Or somehow pass the buck to God, as to say it was His decision...not theirs.
Some people rely on God too much!?????
Every breath we take is a gift.
Absolutely!
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 9:07:15 PM
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What concerns me is how some people rely on God a little too much (and not themselves) to make decisions. Or somehow pass the buck to God, as to say it was His decision...not theirs.
This comment disturbs me and we as Christians are to rely on God. God does decides to end relationships if he feels that the relationship is not his will to begin with.
He ends things sometimes to protect people from heartache down the road like a bad marriage, for instance.
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Like people breaking up with others, and saying, "God told me that this relationship is not working out". It's kind of like the Christian version of , "It's not you, it's me" routine (quoting George Costanza, lol).
Again, God has his reasons for people to break up--maybe the person is not completly walking with him or in some cases, unequally yoked.
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Some Christians (not all) seem to use it as a crutch in life.
Disagree with you here, because God in his wisdom protects people from making bad decisions in life. And he saves people the trouble from ending up in situations which may be ungodly or dangerous.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 9:22:07 PM
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Alright ladies and gentlemen:
This post has been formatted to protect...something. Me, from TOS violations. 'Nuff said.
What would you think if you read the following?
"If you have already read this far, then maybe it’s worth it for you to keep reading. Most guys your age are looking for a woman who is a traffic-stopper in Calvin Kleins and looks 20 years younger than she is. You won’t find that here: if that’s what you’re looking for, move on— you’re not going to find what you’re looking for because you’re still living in dreamland.
But if you are a gentleman who realizes that God can package wonderful things in large body-types, that the physical evidence of maturity and child-bearing and good cooking means you’re looking at a REAL woman, already knowledgeable about how to be an excellent wife, mother to your kids, and friend, then…"
Is this too, uhm, snarky?
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 10:10:43 PM
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Edit: LOL! I read it from the perspective of a male writer. Doh!
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 10:31:56 PM
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I've been thinking about this issue of relying on God, and it came up in the meeting tonight, so I thought I'd share what occurred to me.
It's not that people rely on God too much, because as it was said, you can't rely too much on God. He provides everything. No, it's not that some people rely on God too much but that they rely on God for the wrong things.
Some people rely on God to do things God has made it clear he expects us to do, that is, things that are our responsibility. Certainly, we should rely on God for the strength to do these things, but God has given us some tasks to perform, and we can, in some cases, shirk our duty and claim that we are relying on God to do them. To an extent, I think God does expect us to put the reason and intellect he has given us to good use. As Psalm 32:9 says, don't be like a horse or donkey without understanding, which must be lead around with a bit and bridle.
And some people rely on God as an excuse for their willful actions, like the old pick-up line, "God told me you were the one. Go out with me."
So, I think it's possible to do the wrong things under the guise of relying on God.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 10:34:11 PM
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It's a matter of the heart and mind and their focus.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/28/2008 11:01:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: besiderself
Alright ladies and gentlemen:
This post has been formatted to protect...something. Me, from TOS violations. 'Nuff said.
What would you think if you read the following?
"If you have already read this far, then maybe it’s worth it for you to keep reading. Most guys your age are looking for a woman who is a traffic-stopper in Calvin Kleins and looks 20 years younger than she is. You won’t find that here: if that’s what you’re looking for, move on— you’re not going to find what you’re looking for because you’re still living in dreamland.
But if you are a gentleman who realizes that God can package wonderful things in large body-types, that the physical evidence of maturity and child-bearing and good cooking means you’re looking at a REAL woman, already knowledgeable about how to be an excellent wife, mother to your kids, and friend, then…"
Is this too, uhm, snarky?
besiderself
That ^^ is absolutely making me smile for you. see --->  I love it! This should pique the interest of a curious man with a sense of humor.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/29/2008 12:39:48 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: besiderself
Alright ladies and gentlemen:
This post has been formatted to protect...something. Me, from TOS violations. 'Nuff said.
What would you think if you read the following?
"If you have already read this far, then maybe it’s worth it for you to keep reading. Most guys your age are looking for a woman who is a traffic-stopper in Calvin Kleins and looks 20 years younger than she is. You won’t find that here: if that’s what you’re looking for, move on— you’re not going to find what you’re looking for because you’re still living in dreamland.
But if you are a gentleman who realizes that God can package wonderful things in large body-types, that the physical evidence of maturity and child-bearing and good cooking means you’re looking at a REAL woman, already knowledgeable about how to be an excellent wife, mother to your kids, and friend, then…"
Is this too, uhm, snarky?
besiderself
I like it! It's cheeky-with maturity. 
Should pique a mans interest I would think.
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RE: The Meet Market - 2/29/2008 7:40:39 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: besiderself
Alright ladies and gentlemen:
This post has been formatted to protect...something. Me, from TOS violations. 'Nuff said.
What would you think if you read the following?
"If you have already read this far, then maybe it’s worth it for you to keep reading. Most guys your age are looking for a woman who is a traffic-stopper in Calvin Kleins and looks 20 years younger than she is. You won’t find that here: if that’s what you’re looking for, move on— you’re not going to find what you’re looking for because you’re still living in dreamland.
But if you are a gentleman who realizes that God can package wonderful things in large body-types, that the physical evidence of maturity and child-bearing and good cooking means you’re looking at a REAL woman, already knowledgeable about how to be an excellent wife, mother to your kids, and friend, then…"
Is this too, uhm, snarky?
besiderself
Not "snarky" at all! It's perfect! Go with it!
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