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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 1/30/2009 4:17:12 PM
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Eutychus
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You think Matthew 28 has no application to us today?
Explains a lot...
My friend, your constant jumping to wrong conclusions is tiresome and judgmental.
Since you are obviously not interested in discussing anything with any degree of civility or Christian witness, I will simply wish you a blessed day so that others may get back to discussing the OP.
Now I feel edified by your conclussion and Christian withness.
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LOL. "Watching" for the Lord's return was NOT rebuked after the Lord ascended.
They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 1/30/2009 8:22:22 PM
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LOL. "Watching" for the Lord's return was NOT rebuked after the Lord ascended.
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They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven." They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."
Just my view, but I feel that this is reading too much into this. It seems clear to me that the two men in white were relieving the fears of the apostles. They were watching their Lord ascend into heaven, and much in the same way as we feel anxious when we watch a loved one leave on a train for a long period, they must have been feeling this, but with no assurance that they would ever see Him on earth again. This (in my view) wasn't a rebuke by the two men in white, in fact quite the opposite. This was comfort! - Like saying, 'Don't be full of sadness and fear, this same Jesus you saw going up into heaven, will return to earth in like manor!
This was love and comfort, not a harsh rebuke saying 'Look sharp soldier! You've got a job to do!' - Sorry, but the love and compassion shown the disciples by Christ just doesn't belong here at such a difficult moment for the Disciples in my view.
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 1/30/2009 11:04:48 PM
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WildByNature
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Just my view, but I feel that this is reading too much into this. It seems clear to me that the two men in white were relieving the fears of the apostles. They were watching their Lord ascend into heaven, and much in the same way as we feel anxious when we watch a loved one leave on a train for a long period, they must have been feeling this, but with no assurance that they would ever see Him on earth again. This (in my view) wasn't a rebuke by the two men in white, in fact quite the opposite. This was comfort! - Like saying, 'Don't be full of sadness and fear, this same Jesus you saw going up into heaven, will return to earth in like manor!
I concur. When understood in context and with sound doctrine, no rebuke is found in this passage. In addition, I believe their watching Him ascend was necessary to fulfill their commission -- to be witnesses to Him. (Acts 1:8) They were not only to witness to His resurrection, they were to witness to His ascension back to the Father. Quite the witnessing tool, don't you think? Surely, this is the Son of God.
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This was love and comfort, not a harsh rebuke saying 'Look sharp soldier! You've got a job to do!' -
Well stated. It appears it was Jesus' intention that they watch Him ascend if one looks at the timing (Acts 1:9). Not to mention that they were specifically instructed NOT to "go and make disciples" at that time, but rather to wait until the HS came upon them (Acts 1:4). No rebuke -- no command to "go"; quite the contrary.
As for me, I will continue to be watchful and consider the possible significance, if any, of 12/21/12 -- not with "fear or dred", but with eager anticipation of His glorious appearing.
2Tim 4:8 (ISV) The victor's crown of righteousness is now waiting for me, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that day, and not only to me but also to all who eagerly wait for his appearing.
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 1/31/2009 12:53:58 AM
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Shabbat shalom, Arley!
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The Bible is very clear that the Earth will not be destroyed....period.It states plainly that the Earth endures forever.God will change the Earth but no it will never be destroyed.That is if you believe the Bible instead of some witch doctor or pagan.
Wow, aren't we confrontational? Shalom syzito.
Please forgive me, if I think that your tirade, addresses my entry #88, since yours is #89. Yes, the Bible does say that Heaven and Earth will cease to exist, but 'My,' (Jesus') words shall never pass away
(Mat 24:35 KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13:31, and Luke 21:33 also say the same.
(Rev 21:1 KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
(emphasis mine//as//)
"...witch doctor or pagan..."? Both of my referrals are ministers. I might be called a witch way doctor, or worse, but never a pagan. Not since my God and Messiah adopted me, and charged me to 'Keep the Watch.'
Here at Crosswalk, most of the participants are considerate but firm. Please join into the respectful nature of our forays of differences, and Welcome aboard, me-hearty. Argggg. Hope to agree with you more often than not.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and cordiality. Arley
Hey! Go easy on syzito! Actually, (s)he's right! (Which is it, btw, syzito? The name on your profile is "karen" but the gender says "male.")
Anyway, let me give you more Scriptures:
Ps 125:1-2
1 They that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the Lord is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.
KJV
Eccl 1:4
4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
KJV
Ps 24:1-10
1 The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
2 For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? or who shall stand in his holy place?
4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
KJV
Ps 25:12-13
12 What man is he that feareth the Lord? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
KJV
Ps 37:9-11
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
KJV
Ps 48:1-8
1 Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
3 God is known in her palaces for a refuge.
4 For, lo, the kings were assembled, they passed by together.
5 They saw it, and so they marvelled; they were troubled, and hasted away.
6 Fear took hold upon them there, and pain, as of a woman in travail.
7 Thou breakest the ships of Tarshish with an east wind.
8 As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the Lord of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever. Selah.
KJV
Now, the verse you quoted is important, too, and so are these others:
Matt 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
KJV
Mark 13:31
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
KJV
Luke 21:33
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
KJV
2 Peter 3:7-12
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV
So, how do we reconcile these two sets of Scripture? Well, for me, I just looked at the previous verses in 2 Peter 3:
2 Peter 3:3-6
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
KJV
So, how did the first earth and its atmosphere (its "heaven") perish? They were inundated with water in a Global Flood! Was the whole earth destroyed? Well, the answer to that question depends on what you mean by "the whole earth!" If you mean the entire planet, core and all, then NO, the "whole earth" was NOT destroyed. If you mean the "dirt" or the "ground" or the "Land," then YES, the "whole ground" WAS destroyed!
I believe that 2 Peter 3 tells us that this second earth and its atmosphere shall LIKEWISE perish. The surface of the "whole earth" will be inundated with fire in a Global Fire! But here, too, if you mean the entire planet, core and all, will be burned up, then NO, the "whole earth will NOT be destroyed. If you mean the "dirt" or the "ground" or the "Land," then YES the "whole ground" WILL BE destroyed!
That's how I reconcile the two sets.
Roy (aka Retrobyter)
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 2/11/2009 8:48:59 PM
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Matthew 24:36
No One Knows That Day and Hour
36"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
no one knows, but the Father only.
12/21/12? Who chose this month 12 day 21 and year 0012?
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 2/14/2009 11:30:02 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, everyone.
Just saw Jack VanImpe's broadcast tonight, and he's got a new book out on it (for a suggested donation of $24.95; how do they get away with this stuff?), and it sounds like he's going to debunk/utilize the prophecies of others to make a case against 12/21/12.
Roy
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 2/15/2009 6:15:48 PM
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Retrobyter
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LOL!
Only if you forced everyone to take the mark of your graduation date! LOL!
Roy
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 10/11/2009 6:42:42 PM
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This you tube video leaves out the most important part. It says nothing about Jesus Christ or that it is G-d who is responsible. No one knows the day or time but we are to watch the signs. We are blessed when we read Revelation because multitudes will come through the tribulation..that is comforting to me. I love to read Revelation. Tells the story that we win when we choose Jesus!
The you tube video on Nibiru Planet Crossing should only show to Christians that everything we work for is only temporary..People worried, fighting over and killing for money...
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 10/12/2009 1:07:43 AM
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I think this is all pure bunk! Not even Jesus knows when his time is coming to return to Earth. We mere mortals have no business even trying to speculate when this will happen.
All we can do is live our lives in God's light until that time does come.
I think that of course, Jesus knows. He is God.
For once, I don't buy this one. We know there will be seven yrs. Tribulation. We know that before that the Rapture will have occurred (in my pretrib opinion) and a peace treaty will be signed with Israel and the Palestinians. Neither has happened and 2012 is only three yrs. away. So it can't possibly be the end.
< Message edited by Milliecat -- 10/12/2009 1:24:11 AM >
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 10/13/2009 8:18:49 AM
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Plus if you are amill like me, then you totally ignore all these date setters and live in the expectation that He could come at any time ot 500 years from now. So live like it is today and plan like it is a long way away and win others to the Kingdom.
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 10/13/2009 8:49:48 PM
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I certainly don't believe it!! God said that He's going to come at a very unexpected hour. Remember that God said that NO MAN will know the day or time that He is to come. People will guess but their predictions will never be true. Jesus also said [in Matthews 24] that if someone says the messiah is here or there, do not follow them and do not believe them. You know who God is and you know what He says in His word. Rely on that. Don't rely on man's report.
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RE: What do you guys think about 12/21/12? - 10/13/2009 11:37:51 PM
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Hey WomanOfVictory...you don't think God sent the Mayans a PM giving them a heads up?
Well I don't either...this whole thing is man made and here is what the Mayans say about it.
2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091011/D9B8P09O0.html
In Messiah,
Bob
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