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Should Men Have Long Hair?
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:36:09 AM
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armydude
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A comb-over is much worse. Not as bad as a "snake over."
*Shudder* Not a mental image for the faint of heart I tell ya.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:39:41 AM
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There was an old gentleman who attended our church when I was in grade school that had one of those (mid 60s) and at first I thought he really had a short brown snake on his head.
It was just one lock of hair that he let get long enough to grease down and wind back and forth over his baldness.
UGH!!
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:42:30 AM
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Yeah but now they use a spray on color to "hide" the bald spot. I saw the ronco guy spray it on his head once and I have seen people on tv that I really thought used that product.
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To keep this on topic, I don't honestly care how long a guy has his hair. The comb overs are bad news though.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:43:06 AM
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Read verse 1-16. This verse is not taken out of context. Every time someone disagrees with scripture, that is what they say. Did anyone read this chapter? You have to take all of the scriptures or none of them.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:44:16 AM
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Yeah but now they use a spray on color to "hide" the bald spot. I saw the ronco guy spray it on his head once and I have seen people on tv that I really thought used that product. I think someone grabbed for the hairspray and laid hold of a can of Krylon instead....
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:45:00 AM
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LOL yeah,
but seriously, he was selling it. I've never seen a guy with so many ideas.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:45:03 AM
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Would that be your opintion or God's opinion? Should the church abide by your opinion or God's opinion?
The bottom part is my opinion. But not the scriptures.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:46:19 AM
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Read verse 1-16. This verse is not taken out of context. Every time someone disagrees with scripture, that is what they say. Did anyone read this chapter? You have to take all of the scriptures or none of them.
Or actually understand how to rightly divide the Word...
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:48:41 AM
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armydude
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Read verse 1-16. This verse is not taken out of context. Every time someone disagrees with scripture, that is what they say. Did anyone read this chapter? You have to take all of the scriptures or none of them.
I've read them. I've studied them. I've taught on them. Your point? I ask the question again since I'm thinking hoping it was just lost in the shuffle. Who determines how long is too long? Do we determine a society that is in constant rebellion against God determine what He approves and doesn't? I think not.
I know God's opinion on the base issue of "long hair". My question is this. Whose opinion counts on how long is too long? God's I'm sure. What is His opinion on how long is too long? Can you find that in scripture?
ETA: My apologies for being so repetitive... but it is a good question.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:50:45 AM
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Or actually understand how to rightly divide the Word...
It dosen't take much rightly dividing on this subject. The scripture is perfectly clear.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:53:07 AM
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I'll ask it, in big bold letters since it keeps getting ignored.
Define Long.
What determines the length of long?
At what point does short become long, is there a "just right" length.
ok.....hopefully someone will see that.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:53:44 AM
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I've read them. I've studied them. I've taught on them. Your point? I ask the question again since I'm thinking hoping it was just lost in the shuffle. Who determines how long is too long? Do we determine a society that is in constant rebellion against God determine what He approves and doesn't? I think not.
I know God's opinion on the base issue of "long hair". My question is this. Whose opinion counts on how long is too long? God's I'm sure. What is His opinion on how long is too long? Can you find that in scripture?
ETA: My apologies for being so repetitive... but it is a good
Well if a woman is suppose to have long hair and a man is suppose to have short hair.
Just suppose that short hair for a man is half way down his back. Then long hair must be down to their knees or longer. That means all the women should have hair down to their knees.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:54:49 AM
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And women having long hair, enhances what nature intended them to do. Ask any honest man - long hair looks good on a woman.
What nature intended them to do? I'm not touching that one.
HERE is a link to a post that IMO answered it perfectly. The men in Corinth that Paul was referencing had SUPER long hair (like to the ankles long). I first heard about this from a Southern Baptist pastor in reaction to one of the deacons telling me I needed to cut my hair (it came down between my shoulders).
Go back to Eden - men were to toil by the sweat of their brows, and women were to bear children. Here God is defining the basic roles of men and women - adding curses to each different role. But they were masculine, feminine roles none the less.
Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
God does not blur the roles of men and women. Like Arnold, he does not like "girlie men", and that includes vain "girlie Christian men" preoccupied with their looks. Doth not nature teach you that men pursue women - and that is why women have long hair and look good?
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:55:22 AM
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elastic
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Well if a woman is suppose to have long hair and a man is suppose to have short hair.
Just suppose that short hair for a man is half way down his back. Then long hair must be down to their knees or longer. That means all the women should have hair down to their knees.
so basically, as long as a woman's hair is longer than a man's long hair, his hair is considered to be short?
is that what you are saying?
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 11:59:11 AM
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I've read them. I've studied them. I've taught on them. Your point? I ask the question again since I'm thinking hoping it was just lost in the shuffle. Who determines how long is too long? Do we determine a society that is in constant rebellion against God determine what He approves and doesn't? I think not.
I know God's opinion on the base issue of "long hair". My question is this. Whose opinion counts on how long is too long? God's I'm sure. What is His opinion on how long is too long? Can you find that in scripture?
ETA: My apologies for being so repetitive... but it is a good
Well if a woman is suppose to have long hair and a man is suppose to have short hair.
Just suppose that short hair for a man is half way down his back. Then long hair must be down to their knees or longer. That means all the women should have hair down to their knees.
In other words you don't really know. Just as long as ALL women's hair is longer than ALL men's hair. Now my next question. Can you find that definition of long hair in scripture or is this a personal opinion that may or may not go directly against scripture?
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 12:09:10 PM
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In other words you don't really know. Just as long as ALL women's hair is longer than ALL men's hair. Now my next question. Can you find that definition of long hair in scripture or is this a personal opinion that may or may not go directly against scripture?
This is a common sense issue. The bible shouldn't have to tell you how long is long. And know it dosen't say how long is long.
People dont want no one telling them what to do. They say, Dont tell me how to dress, or how long to wear my hair.
Thats why they hated Jesus, because he told them about their sin. The bible says you are not your own, you are bought with a price. We cant do what we want. We have to do what he wants.
I guess every man with long hair will have to figure out for himself if his hair is too long.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 12:10:04 PM
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Read verse 1-16. This verse is not taken out of context. Every time someone disagrees with scripture, that is what they say. Did anyone read this chapter? You have to take all of the scriptures or none of them.
Do you understand who Paul is writing to? Do you even know what was going on amongst the people he was writing to? Do you have a clue as to the culture he was addressing?
Context is more than the amount of words you read together.
Read your whole bible and understand it.
Here's a great resource: The Books of the Bible
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 2/28/2008 12:11:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: FearoftheLordIt dosen't take much rightly dividing on this subject. The scripture is perfectly clear.
Things are not always as perfectly clear as they would seem on the surface. One of my favorite quotes is from H.L. Mencken, "For every problem, there is an answer which is simple, elegant, and wrong."
The problem is that we take a 2,000 year old document, translate it as best we can into English, and then try to take it at face value without understanding why the document was written in the first place, what were the issues at stake, what were the modes of communication at the time, etc.
I believe that the bible means what the original writer wanted the original reader to understand by the text he was writing. I'm not one of those that resorts to arguments like "that was then, this is now, we don't need to pay attention to this part."
But....
Passages like this one are difficult to figure out sometimes. On the one hand, there was a rabbinic interpretation method where it would not be uncommon for someone like Paul to use very broad language based on creation literature, appeals to "nature", etc. to make a point and try to resolve issues that at their root were local and time/culture bounded. On the other hand, Paul elsewhere legitimately points to creation literature, appeals to "nature" etc to resolve issues that at their root are eternal and fundamental.
How do you ever know the difference?
Well, understanding that there was some disagreement within greek culture on appropriate modes of dress during prayer helps. Understanding that short hair on women had a particular meaning in that local culture helps a bit. These things can be clues to help us figure the problem out.
Second, we look elsewhere in scripture for confirmation. Hayseed here rightly points out the conflict with the Nazarene rites. To the extent that the issue appears here and not really anywhere else, you have to begin to suspect that Paul is addressing a local issue.
People will disagree on this, and it's easy to fall on one side rather than the other. You can make a cogent argument on either side. In such cases, we are admonished not to get our unders in a bunch and agree to disagree.
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