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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 3:01:27 PM
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solo_soprano22
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Tamara, sorry if I was pushy. Also, sorry about the organic chem reference - it wasn't meant to be a dig, I just thought of the most advanced classes I took in high school (public) and listed those. For me advanced math and chemistry will be 2 of the most difficult things to teach at home so they readily come to mind anyway. Once again, sorry.
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You weren't pushy. I just never saw your other post because the thread had changed pages and I never looked back at the other page. I just decided it's not worth arguing about. Inevitably, people start thinking I'm attacking their intelligence to teach their kids or something, so I just decided it's not that important. Like I said though, I'm like that with a lot of things-- not just homeschooling. It's no different to me than any other field, but I think most others here see it far differently. I don't see it the same way is all.
And I didn't think the orgo was a dig. I had a 4.0 gpa in high school and loved all the chemistries I took then-- and the physics and maths, and I loved geology. The hs chemistries and the university chemistries are far different here though-- I suppose they are at many places. (I say "here" because I'm sure at some university somewhere the chemistries may be the same as the high school levels usually are.) The good ole days. 
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 4:13:04 PM
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Krislynx
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Organic chemistry is just horrid no matter what level you study it on! My high school organic chem was harder then my first year college chem. That really should have clued me in to how bad the next year was going to get!
Merck and the other pharmaceutical companies already have enough say in which meds we all take and when. It would be a very sad and scary day if they ever had control over laws concerning vaccines and enforcement.
Kris
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 4:25:37 PM
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I didn't say anything about 'standardized' tests. I said that tests are a good indicator of what a child has absorbed, in a sense, of the material. I would willingly turn in my child's test scores in varying subjects...but I fully buck at the thought of having someone in a school district that my child is not truly a part of 'oversee' me and my teaching methods. It's in *my best interest* that my child does well. If I'm lazy they'll not have the best start in the world and will be behind their peers. Gov't is inherently ineffecient and is not a good judge of what my child should know and learn, imo.
I agree with Sarah.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 4:45:10 PM
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Krislynx
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In some areas of my state the schools are known for "requiring" a lot of information that is not state mandated. We really have to do very little for the state. I will obviously be checking on things over the next few years - who knows how things will change before he is of "school age".
I mentioned standardized tests because that is what many people consider to be an appropriate measurement for all kids regardless of where they are being educated. In fact I had an eye opening discussion with some other moms at the library the other day about home schooling in general and testing in particular. One of them was so convinced that all children had to be tested that she told me flat out that I was wrong and could not possibly know what I was talking about. I think she was ready to call the school district (not that it would have done any good - we live in a different one then the library is located in  /ours does not have a baby playgroup or story time) until she realized that Bug (8 months old) is my only child. What was the most interesting and disturbing about this whole exchange is that she would never dream of home schooling her kids (she said that) so she really never looked into things. So why would she know better then me? I know I don't know everything but I have at least READ the laws! Fortunately the children's librarian is actually a big home schooling advocate so she was able to convince the woman that she really was off base.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 4:50:45 PM
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Fortunately the children's librarian is actually a big home schooling advocate so she was able to convince the woman that she really was off base.
yeah most librarians are very pro-hsing because so many hsers hang out there!!!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 4:52:20 PM
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lexie
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Merck and the other pharmaceutical companies already have enough say in which meds we all take and when. It would be a very sad and scary day if they ever had control over laws concerning vaccines and enforcement.
I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen, considering the influence lobbyists have over our governments.
While Merck said last year they were going to re-evaluate their lobbying program because of the opposition it has come up against from religious organizations, the way this world is going, are we really strong enough to fight off government lobbys completely?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 5:45:34 PM
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Lexie, I wanted to make sure to post the article for you about Gardasil/the HPV vaccine. Keep in mind this is not from a medical journal, it's an author and his opinion, with some stats thrown in.
"PROMISCUITY PAYS
By: Henry Makow
The Harper government has allocated $300 million to vaccinate thousands of girls as young as age nine against a sexually transmitted disease, human papillomavirus (HPV), which occasionally causes cervical cancer.
The vaccine (Gardasil) only works on girls with no sexual experience. So instead of teaching these children that it is self-destructive and degrading to be promiscuous, the government is inoculating them as if they were going to become prostitutes.
Instead of selling these girls, the politicians are taking their cut up front, from big pharma, all in the name of protecting "public health."
This is the shape of socialism in the New World Order: enriching corporations by drugging the population.
In an interview with CBC-TV, a representative of Merck-Frosst, the maker of the vaccine, admitted that lobbying is how pharma business is done in Canada.
The 15 minute TV-Report, which can be viewed HERE, says this is the only case of government-mandated mass vaccination in the world. The last time the Canadian government took such drastic action was during a polio outbreak in the 1950's.
But there is no epidemic of cervical cancer now. In fact, it doesn’t even rank in the top 10 cancers affecting Canadian women. Whereas 400 women die of cervical cancer each year, over 5000 die of breast cancer.
At the same time, society is giving children the message that being "sexually active" is part of "becoming a woman." In fact, girls become women by preparing to become wives and mothers. Promiscuity just makes them feel worthless and unwanted.
In the TV report, a mother just laughs when her 13-year-old daughter announces her intention to become "sexually active" at age 16. A father thinks the new vaccine is really cool while his daughter sits beside him in stunned silence.
BOONDOGGLE WITH CONSEQUENCES
At best, this vaccination campaign is a boondoggle for Merck. At worst it could have many negative results. A reader from Argentina wrote that last Oct. the government tried to vaccinate girls for Rubeola but was stopped when some doctors revealed the vaccine contained a sterilization agent called prostaglandin.
A report for the Women's Health Network by a McGill University epidemiologist calls the Canadian program "premature and could possibly have unintended negative consequences for individuals and for society as a whole."
While as many as 50% of women get some form of HPV over their lifetime, the report says most of these do not result in cervical cancer and can be cured.
"Most HPV infections are cleared spontaneously. Recent research using available molecular detection technologies suggests that clearance occurs within one year for about 70 per cent of those infected, and within two years for 90 per cent. Thus, HPV infection and cervical cancer must not be conflated: most women who are infected with even a 'high-risk' strain of HPV will not develop cervical cancer."
The report also states that clinical trials were insufficient to test the efficacy of the vaccine since the subjects were too young to be exposed to HPV.
During the last six months of 2006, the (US) National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) got 385 reports of adverse reactions to Gardasil.
"There are twice as many children collapsing and four times as many children experiencing tingling, numbness and loss of sensation after getting Gardasil vaccination compared to those getting a Tdap (tetanus-diphtheria-acellular pertussis) vaccination."
"There have been reports of facial paralysis and Guillain-Barre Syndrome. And doctors who give Gardasil in combination with other vaccines are basically conducting an experiment on their young patients because Merck has not published any safety data for simultaneous vaccination with any vaccine except hepatitis B vaccine."
In May 2007, Judicial Watch reported 1600 adverse reactions to Gardasil including two deaths.
INSANITY
Next week in Toronto alone, 40,000 young girls and their parents will be pressured to allow an inoculation for a sexually transmitted disease. The reason for the pressure is that three injections are required over a six-months period i.e. the school year.
"My 12 year old daughter is facing this decision -- her MD has suggested we vaccinate her right away," a mother posted on the CBC-TV web site. "I am NOT a skeptical person by any means but something about this whole campaign makes me very nervous. "
The unstated, and outrageous assumption behind this vaccination campaign is that promiscuity is the norm. Human papilloma virus will not be transferred if people are selective and monogamous (and use condoms.) These girls have never had sex. Most will not have sex for years. Many will not be promiscuous and will not need this vaccine.
The other assumption is that sex is a necessary social experience that is divorced from courtship, love, marriage and procreation. On the contrary, a girl's healthy psychological development is based on her participation in the natural life cycle by becoming a wife and mother. Thus she must consecrate herself sexually for future or potential husband.
Contrary to feminist ideology, women are fulfilled in this way, not by becoming dentists or mechanics. Many feminist organizations are in favor of Gardasil. This is consistent with my view that the hidden agenda of feminism is to undermine marriage and family. Far from fighting the "patriarchy," feminism shills for the establishment.
The current Canadian government pretends to be socially conservative and espouse "family values."
Surely it would be less hypocritical (and cheaper) to teach these girls that promiscuity doesn’t make them a woman. On the contrary, it ruins their chances for fulfillment by undermining their ability to bond permanently with their husband.
A young woman shouldn’t need more than a couple of long term relationships before she finds the right one. She doesn’t need to protect herself like a prostitute would. On the other hand, many politicians and doctors could use some Gardasil.
This gratuitous mass innoculation sets a bad precedent. I don't want to speculate what excuse they will find for the next one.
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Note #1: A report broadcast on NBC-News Saturday showed that Gardasil is being marketed in the US as a vaccine against HPV. One MD in Vermont has a waiting list of 288 girls. In fact, Gardasil prevents only four of about 30 strains of HPV, which represent only 70% of cancer causing HPV's. At $360 for the three doses, plus doctor's fees, there is a lot of money at stake in this ruse. This is especially true since some doctors think cervical cancer is caused by feminine products and not HPV.
Note #2: According to Dr. Judith Reisman, more than 80% of newborn American children are being inoculated with a vaccine for Hepatitis B, which is a venereal disease. This is not a threat to children but it is a threat to pedophiles because it identifies children who have been sexually abused by them."
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 6:17:14 PM
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bride48
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Scarey, though. Like giving kids permission to have sex.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 6:34:37 PM
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Yes.
I remember people scoffing when I said same-sex marriage would be legalized. It's been legal in Massachusetts for nearly four years now. Ick!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 7:11:03 PM
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The Gardisil issue is so disturbing. The commercials for it that I've been seeing are even more so.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 7:34:42 PM
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Stacy, I'm with you on the commercials. If you read the fine print on the screen it says something about it doesn't prevent all strains of HPV.
I hate that they are pitching it to sound like "Hey, if you get this shot you WON'T get cervical cancer!" Well, how NEATO would that be?!??! "This shot will make sure you don't get cancer!"
Oh, unless you get one of the other 26 strains that might cause it in you....that the shot DOESN'T even begin to touch.
Soooooo ridiculous. Plunk your $360 at the door, make Big Pharma even more rich. And then cry foul later if you still end up with HPV, or God forbid worse: cervical cancer. Big Pharma will be happy to tell you then that you didn't read the fine print.
Very scary indeed.
Jeanie
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 8:02:27 PM
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Some of the southern US states are attempting to make Gardasil a middle school entry requirement. HERE is an article about it in regards to Texas... The thing is though, even as much as they "mandate" vaccines you can almost always get some sort of waiver. Colorado has medical, religious, or "philosophical" exemptions, all I would have to do in order to do it for Gabby is sign the bottom of her shot record so it's not like it's a long, drawn out process.
Maryland had an incident at the end of 2007 where they suspended kids from school for not having the proper vaccines. It caused a huge media stink but in the end it boiled down to lazy parents who either hadn't bothered having their kids vaccinated(about a $15 charge in MD if you go to the health dept.) or they hadn't bothered with exemptions.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 8:28:33 PM
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Jeanie,
Thanks for posting the article, but where was it published? Because it's not mandatory here. The allocation of $300 million is so it can be another free vaccination, added to the list. All vaccinations in Canada are covered under provincial health plans, no one has to pay for them. But none of them are mandatory. We have the option to opt out of all of them. I completely agree that lobbying is done by the pharmaceutical business in Canada. But there has been absolutely no announcement made here of a MANDATORY vaccination against HPV.
It is offered by schools to young girls, the same way that I was vaccinated against Hep B years ago when the vaccine was first covered by our health plans. But again, the option to opt out is there.
BTW... this article was originally published under the title "Canada Pimps It's Girls to Big Pharma." One Canadian political party has apologized for using this article in support of their argument against Gardasil, once they realized who he really is and that it cannot be held as truth.
I would not take any article by Henry Makow as the truth. His articles get published in a street newspaper which is anti-Semitic, something he is very much himself. His university would not renew his one year contract after he made offensive (and sexual) comments towards women in his class (he once bragged to his class about beating a woman). I have read a few articles of his that are very racist. He has never been published in any reputable publication in Canada.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 9:26:00 PM
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The HPV vaccine commercial disturbs me, too. It is highly misleading (possibly to the point of being illegal) -- if you have a disclaimer about the very claim that you just made, that is either very stupid or lying.
Of course, it seems pretty easy around here to "opt out" of the vaccines. In fact, I just did it for my son's Tdap because he was at the nurses office (sick) and they gave me the chance to sign the paper... 
About the CA homeschooling ruling, I highly doubt that it will stand a constitutionality challenge. It specifically mentioned that religious convictions are not adequate to exempt a family from the compulsory education requirement. On a personal note, when we were living in CA, I noticed a serious attitude that certain people in power (education, specifically) have about their own views being "law". Ds was labeled "retarded" according to their testing -- he didn't cooperate with the tester, so obviously he didn't know anything . After moving to a different state, he was tested again, and wasn't "mentally delayed." I really have doubts about the knowledge in CA.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 9:46:29 PM
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y'all don't forget time change is TONIGHT!!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 10:15:35 PM
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y'all don't forget time change is TONIGHT!!
I would have completely forgotten if I hadn't checked in here!
The Gardasil commercial that really annoys me is the one on the radio (I'm not sure if we have the same ones here as the US) and the two girls are talking and the one says that cervical cancer is "something you get when you're really old...like 40."
1. It bothers me that 40 is old.
2. It really bothers me that they make it seem like that is something you don't have to worry about until you're older. When I was 22 I had a pap test show pre-cancerous cells (not related to HPV). So this commercial makes it seem like hpv is the only cause of cervical problems and if you get the vaccine you don't have to worry about anything.
I hate the way they push vaccines and medications over health education. It's like today in my newspaper they did an article on teen pregnancy, and they had quotes from women who had all gone through it. One teenage girl said "I'm pregnant because I thought breastfeeding was good enough birth control." Ummm....hello, where are the nurses and doctors to tell this woman the truth about birth control? Why wouldn't you tell a teenage mother everything you know about birth control and dispel all the myths about it? Obviously this girl was looking for some sort of birth control.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/8/2008 10:22:39 PM
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peculiar_lady2
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y'all don't forget time change is TONIGHT!!
I would have completely forgotten if I hadn't checked in here!
someone in the homeschool chat said something about it the other day and I told her to remind me again today....so I wouldn't have remembered if I hadn't checked there!!!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 3/9/2008 12:03:49 AM
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Lexie:
I don't know anything about Henry Makow, but I will say that the article is talking about the fact that lobbying is being done in Canada so that they can possibly get the Gardasil shot made mandatory. I'm not saying it *is* mandatory, I'm saying there is a push up there in Canada by lobbyists to get it made mandatory.
The fact remains the same for me that there is a push to get it made mandatory. That's what disturbs me here. And yes, Ryanne is right -- the state of Texas is wanting to do it, too. Even if they give people an exemption to opt out, what about people who don't understand that option or just go along with it? Haven't we all been kind of pressured to have a vaccine at one time or another?
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