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Ntech -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (3/25/2008 1:41:20 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Cephyr13
If you'll read my post up above (the unfortunately long post), you'll see America is spoken of. We are Ephraim. Ephraim, also called Israel, was the 10 northern tribes of Israel. The Jews today are from the 2 souther tribes called Judah, hense the name Jews.
Ephraim was taken captive by Assyria in 724 BC and dispersed into the world, never to be heard from again. Yet God prophesied Ephraim's return a few times. He said they were a bread half baked, meaning that their history was only have done after they were lead away. He said Ephraim would tremble from the West, so Ephraim will be in the West apparently. He said Ephraim will be protected by waters and planted in a pleasant place. The United States is protected on two sides by water, and on the other two sides we have weak nations that would never attack us and expect to actually win, and those nations are surrounded by water on most sides as well. Ephraim is also prophesied to bring her children to the destroyer (abortion, possibly), which I find it interesting that someone actually pointed out our abortion in this thread. But God speaks favorably about us, dispite the fact that He used to speak very badly about Ephraim. He says He cannot forget Ephraim or let her go into destruction. So, if we are in the end times, Ephraim HAS returned. And as I said, it was 724 BC when they were dispersed into Assyria, and if you look at the prophecy given to us in Revelation 12 about "time, times and half a time," you'll see that time, times and half a time means 2,500 years, and -724 BC + 2500 years = 1776 AD, the year the United States became a nation.
We are Ephraim, and we are in the Bible. It also says in that verse in Revelation 12 that we (the woman, Israel, also called Ephraim back then) will be taken on the wings of a great eagle to a place of safety for 2,500 years. Funny that when we create a nation, we use the eagle as our symbol.
Also, we have two major things in common with old Israel. The 12 tribes became 13 tribes when the tribe of Jacob split into Ephraim and Menasseh. We had 12 colonies, but the Carolinas were too big, so they split them into North and South, and that became our 13 original colonies. Then, also, God gave the Levites (priests) 48 cities within the nation of Israel so that everyone could have a priest nearby to give sacrifices before the tribes split. We were given 48 contiguous states here in the United States.
From 1917 to 1959, we had 48 stars on our flag representing those states, and we had 13 stripes on our flag representing the first 13 colonies. Funny that the two things we had in common with old Israel are the two things we put on our flag unknowingly. God most certainly has a hand in all of this, and we are Ephraim. We, besides Israel, are the only nation that built our Constitutional foundation on God and Judao-Christian values, and sored to the greatest super-power the world has ever known in the shortest amount of time in history... about 200 years. Ephraim was the warrior tribe. We resemble them quite a bit right now, actually, in our warring nature, and our sinful nature. But we also have compassion for other nations and help them far more than any other country on the planet. We give more in foreign aid than nearly every other nation on the planet combined. Don't knock us. God has done a lot of good through us.
I mostly agree with this post but would argue that the US is the tribe of Manessah as opposed to Ephraim. And I would base that on the prophesies of Genesis 48 and 49 and also Romans 11.
According to Genesis it was foretold that the tribes of Israel would all split up and become nations in their own right. And it was foretold that Ephraim would become a company of nations. While Manessah would tarry with his brother awhile and then become a powerful nation on his own.
So based on that information I would say that the new world nations and former colonies of Europe scattered around the world make up Ephraim. And the US is Manessah based on the fact that it is the most powerful nation in the world at present.
Now why did I mention Romans 11? For if you understand this Olive tree parable properly then there is no question of the accuracy of my theory on Israel becoming dozens of nations in today's world.
The important question to ask here is what exactly is the olive tree and what you become when you are grafted into it. The answers are that the olive tree is the tree of life and that is the family of Abraham through Issac and Jacob/Israel. A prophecy of Genesis is that the Gentiles of the world would find salvation through Abraham. And when the new Christian is grafted into the tree of life they become part of the family of Israel. They become Israelites. So the promise of eternal life is passed on through both genetics and religious conversion.
One other thing to consider here. The ten horns of the beast in Revelation and the ten toes of Daniel 2. My theory on the ten are that they are the Israelite tribes of the old northern kingdom of Israel. The ten lost tribes. They will form a confederacy of sorts. A one world order. And possibly get into a war with a rival confederacy. See Daniel 11.
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