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WesP -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/8/2008 4:11:37 PM)
quote: I was editing my post. China does not have 800 mlilitary bases. Yes, they are making strides. But not enough to be the worlds ruler. They have 4 times the population we have, and their economy is thriving. What prevents them from getting there? quote: That's in Daniel, they will promise peace, peace,and there will be NO PEACE. We control it in the end times. That is also supposition. There are numerous end-time scenarios, but there is no proof of any of this. It is just a theory, and it is lacking due to several things. The least of these is not the "America-centric" position that we run the world.

tracydolls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/8/2008 4:36:29 PM)
quote: They have 4 times the population we have, and their economy is thriving. What prevents them from getting there? The end of the World. quote: That's in Daniel, they will promise peace, peace,and there will be NO PEACE. We control it in the end times. quote: That is also supposition. There are numerous end-time scenarios, but there is no proof of any of this. It is just a theory, and it is lacking due to several things. The least of these is not the "America-centric" position that we run the world. WE do offer peace, peace, that's what we are offering to Israel, right. Also by your post, you brought up peace, THERE will be none in Iraq, ever. You think Amrica will give up the oil, nope, you think they will stop fighting America, nope.

WesP -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/8/2008 4:47:10 PM)
quote: That's in Daniel, they will promise peace, peace,and there will be NO PEACE. We control it in the end times. I agree that the bible says there will be no peace, but I do not see where anyone can forcefully argue that America is there in control. quote: WE do offer peace, peace, that's what we are offering to Israel, right. We are supporting a peaceful solution to the Arab-Israeli conflicts, but we do not the say to offer peace. It is not our country. All we can do is lobby for it with their politicians.

tracydolls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/8/2008 6:04:40 PM)
"The Roadmap represents a starting point toward achieving the vision of two states, a secure State of Israel and a viable, peaceful, democratic Palestine. It is a framework for progress towards lasting peace and security in the Middle East..." --President George W. Bush I am not saying it is Bush. I'm saying it's America that pushes this "peace" Look it up. Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Dan 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Read Daniel again, and Revelation, take off your [8\|] wordly glasses. Look at Bo, speaking(he gives great speeches, pivots away from most ?'s) Look at how many horns he represents, moslem, atheist, african, asian, christian, white, black, romans, how many? He represents alot of kingsdoms! All wrapped in one. now you don't think he can promise peace to Israel, you don't think he can turn on them, his fathers moslem, he goes to some jacked up Church, where there belief systems are based on moslem, or a jacked up form of it, Nation of Islam Ask the Lord for it, it's there, we just don't want to believe it is us. What will Bo be, the president of America(i believe) This Bible make sit real easy to find words, search out things, yo have to download addons, different versions, I'll always get the Hebrew one and the Greek one, to compare words. http://www.e-sword.net/

cybrjewls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/8/2008 7:17:17 PM)
Hi Tracy! "Bo knows...". Blessed are the peace makers, they will be called the children of God. quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls "The Roadmap represents a starting point toward achieving the vision of two states, a secure State of Israel and a viable, peaceful, democratic Palestine. It is a framework for progress towards lasting peace and security in the Middle East..." --President George W. Bush I am not saying it is Bush. I'm saying it's America that pushes this "peace" Look it up. Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Dan 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Read Daniel again, and Revelation, take off your [8\|] wordly glasses. Look at Bo, speaking(he gives great speeches, pivots away from most ?'s) Look at how many horns he represents, moslem, atheist, african, asian, christian, white, black, romans, how many? He represents alot of kingsdoms! All wrapped in one. now you don't think he can promise peace to Israel, you don't think he can turn on them, his fathers moslem, he goes to some jacked up Church, where there belief systems are based on moslem, or a jacked up form of it, Nation of Islam Ask the Lord for it, it's there, we just don't want to believe it is us. What will Bo be, the president of America(i believe) This Bible make sit real easy to find words, search out things, yo have to download addons, different versions, I'll always get the Hebrew one and the Greek one, to compare words. http://www.e-sword.net/

ta_mosquito -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/8/2008 9:51:46 PM)
quote: Ok, Which one is an empire? Youngest of the empires, kingdoms, rulers over the known earth. America has 800 military bases. Even with the new countries included, theres only 250? countries. How about the EU?

tracydolls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 12:11:17 AM)
quote: Hi Tracy! "Bo knows...". Blessed are the peace makers, they will be called the children of God. ,prop I don't know what to think of you. But when I see your avatar and your quote I think of Ezekial Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

tracydolls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 12:15:17 AM)
quote: How about the EU? I really don't know for sure, I would have to go look it up. I don't think they have 800 military bases all over the world. I think they would have to ask countries to give nukes, I don't think the EU itself controls any itself. But I don't know.

ta_mosquito -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 8:37:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: How about the EU? I really don't know for sure, I would have to go look it up. I don't think they have 800 military bases all over the world. I think they would have to ask countries to give nukes, I don't think the EU itself controls any itself. But I don't know. But in a few years, they very well could be THE powerhouse empire. [;)]

WesP -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 9:06:18 AM)
quote: Read Daniel again, and Revelation, take off your wordly glasses. No sense in being rude. Eschatological discussion is not a detriment to salvation. Furthermore, there are myriads of other hypotheses, so it is not advisable to judge everyone else who disagrees with you. You are actually in the minority in your beliefs. Numbers do not determine truth, but there is significant evidentiary presentation derived from the bible and given in many forums that belies your perceptions. Peace!

mcleod -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 12:57:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WesSavedByGrace quote: Babylon is empires. America is an EMPIRE. The only world superpower left. Plus we control the ancient city of Babylon,, BASRA-Iraq. Just a couple of observations, if you will. First, we are not the only superpower. That may be stated by many, but how many other countries have a booming economy, nuclear arsenals, etc.? China is certainly making some very scary strides in certain areas. Their consumption of world resources has escalated phenomenally in recent years. Second, I do not see where anyone controls Iraq consistently. Seems to me that the whole country is in turmoil and shall remain that way until a peace can arise between the Islamic factions. We will not have anything to do with that. And to watch sixty minutes last Sunday you would get the impression that they have lots of money to put in our stock market. Thanks to our loving Wal-Mart trash store. I don't know if this was in the mind of the old man Sam. But his kids don't care about anything but what is in their wallet or purse. But that's another subject.

mcleod -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 1:18:51 PM)
My dad when he was alive would say the communist system was going to be the last empire where all is happening. He would state it off from the verse by peace he shall destory many. Because at that time Russia and China were breaking treaty after treaty with the USA. And to look at it very careful they. China has a lot of our former money which I can't believe that the will ever become a free nation. People are told what they should believe in and if you don't agree with the system then you become a slave over there. Not what Karl had in mind. But it's simple a man wanting to rule over man another.

bob97 -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 1:59:31 PM)
Anyone who thinks we are done with Russia is in for a rude awaking. The world will face a major showdown and Russia and the world of Islam in the near future. Bob

WesP -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 2:18:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bob97 Anyone who thinks we are done with Russia is in for a rude awaking. The world will face a major showdown and Russia and the world of Islam in the near future. Bob True, but still no America.

tracydolls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 3:19:29 PM)
quote: Anyone who thinks we are done with Russia is in for a rude awaking. The world will face a major showdown and Russia and the world of Islam in the near future. Bob True, but still no America. Russia? Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

bob97 -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 4:08:56 PM)
Gog is in a high probability from Russia. We are definitely sure that Gog will come from the line of Magog (one of the nomadic sons of Japheth) and that he will rule over three nations. Those three nations will be Magog ( or possibly Rosh, depending on how the Hebrew term ro`sh is understood), Meschech and Tubal (both from the old USSR). Bob

eschatologist -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 4:10:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fritzeverett I'm woke up today wondering about our role in the bible. When I say our role I mean the United States Of America. It's important to me to examine all views because I know that we tend to very basis on issue sometimes. I need to examine several scholarly examples so that I can discern what is right. What is the role of America in the bible? Americ, as a nation by itself, is not in the bible, because America hadn't been discovered at that time. None of the prophets in the old or new testaments new anything about the western side of the earth. In fact, I don't even think the first native Americans landed here until about 700 A.D. But you can include America in some of the Prophecies about the endtime, by inference. First of all In Genesis 10 it talks about the different Sons of Noah and where they all settled. Japheth was the oldest and he was the ancestors of all the white anglo-saxons and Europeons who settled in the North Countries. Magog was one of the Sons of Japheth and he settled in what is now known as Russia. So in Bible prophecy whenever it talks about Gog and Magog we know that it's talking about Russia. Gomer and Javan also headed North and west and eventually settled in the british Isles. In bible prophecy whenever it talks about "the Isles it's talking about the british Isles. Javan had a Son named Tarshish and another one nameed Kittim (or Chittim) So, in the endtime prophecy verses that talk about the Ships of Tarshish" or thew ships of Chittim, Again, we're taliking about the British Isles. So putting it all into perspective with today's political climate and the way things are headed in this endtime period: The verse that talks about "Gomer and all his bands" It's not just talking about the British Iles by themselves, but what we're really talking about is England, the United States and their allies. It's also interesting to note that in the verses about the Sons of Japheth it says, "By these were the Isles of the gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after his families in their nations." Japheth is the only one where the word "Isles" is used. For Ham and Shem it mentions Families, tongues, countries and nations, but not Isles. For me this is prophetically indicative of the impact the British Isles is going to have on future endtime events, which events are happening right now in the world today. And, let's face it, today, England and the United States are 2 peas in a pod. Dispite the American Revolutiuon and it's declaratin of Independence from Great Britain, it is still basically an extension of the British empire. See Genesis 10:2-5 and verse 20 and verse 31. Daniel 11:30: "For the ships of Chittim (The USA, England and their allies) shall come against him (the Antichrist) Therefore he shall be grieved and return and have indignation against the Holy covenant"

WesP -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 4:14:34 PM)
[sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif][sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif][sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif] And I truly mean that! [8D]

tracydolls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 4:54:44 PM)
quote: Daniel 11:30: "For the ships of Chittim (The USA, England and their allies) shall come against him (the Antichrist) Therefore he shall be grieved and return and have indignation against the Holy covenant" Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

cybrjewls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/9/2008 11:06:35 PM)
Greetings! Good guess tracy! Chittim is shaped like America, a little. However, this was already fulfilled during the time of the Seleucid Empire under Antiochus Epiphinanes who made it illegal to worship The God of Heaven. There is an apocraphal 'scripture' called the Maccabeans which talks about events that occurred during this tme as well. The Temple of God had to be re-Consecrated to God after this 'antichrist' king defiled it. The time periods of the fulfillment of the times of the gentiles that have been unfolding are mentioned in these three Scriptures in Daniel: Daniel 11:33-35. The revelation will continue to unfold concerning the times of the gentile nations until Daniel 11:36-45. quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: Daniel 11:30: "For the ships of Chittim (The USA, England and their allies) shall come against him (the Antichrist) Therefore he shall be grieved and return and have indignation against the Holy covenant" Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

tracydolls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/10/2008 1:39:53 AM)
quote: Greetings! Good guess tracy! Chittim is shaped like America, a little. However, this was already fulfilled during the time of the Seleucid Empire under Antiochus Epiphinanes who made it illegal to worship The God of Heaven. There is an apocraphal 'scripture' called the Maccabeans which talks about events that occurred during this tme as well. Hi .prop, Thank you, I read the Maccabees following Hanukkuk. Festival of Lights. A holiday that Jesus celebrated. Not buy a tree, wrap in gold like Jeremiah says NOT to do. OK. Thanks .prop But can I ask you, Who are the Chaldeans? .prop I can never quite figure that one out. I heard the other day, A Chaldean Priest got killed in Iraq.

cybrjewls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/10/2008 1:58:10 AM)
The Chaldeans are the ancient name for the Babylonians or the modern day nation of Iraq. Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans and was called to leave the idolatry and settle near the promised land. He then went to Egypt for awhile, too. quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: Greetings! Good guess tracy! Chittim is shaped like America, a little. However, this was already fulfilled during the time of the Seleucid Empire under Antiochus Epiphinanes who made it illegal to worship The God of Heaven. There is an apocraphal 'scripture' called the Maccabeans which talks about events that occurred during this tme as well. Hi .prop, Thank you, I read the Maccabees following Hanukkuk. Festival of Lights. A holiday that Jesus celebrated. Not buy a tree, wrap in gold like Jeremiah says NOT to do. OK. Thanks .prop But can I ask you, Who are the Chaldeans? .prop I can never quite figure that one out. I heard the other day, A Chaldean Priest got killed in Iraq.

tracydolls -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/10/2008 3:26:32 AM)
quote: The Chaldeans are the ancient name for the Babylonians or the modern day nation of Iraq. Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans and was called to leave the idolatry and settle near the promised land. He then went to Egypt for awhile, too . Ok, but that does not speak to this verse. One of the few times Chaldeans or Chaldees is mentioned in the Bible. I did not know there was A Chaldean Catholic Church until I heard that news story, I did'nt know either that that word was still being used. I thought they were extinct like the Sumerians. Hab 1:6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs. Hab 1:7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves. Heres the info I heard that triggered me researching it. March 1, 2008(the other day?, lol) MOSUL, IRAQ -- Gunmen kidnapped a Chaldean Catholic archbishop and killed three of his guards Friday in the latest attack targeting Iraq's dwindling Christian minority in this northern city. But when you research the word, it's almost a blank, meaning in Hebrew, unknown root. The info in wiki is scant.

Bettawrekonize -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/12/2008 3:40:05 PM)
quote: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. Rev 13:11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013&version=9 IMO, this is a perfect description of America. quote: And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Rev 17:15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev%2017;&version=9; Seems like water (and hence the sea) represents a densely populated area (where the first beast arose). If so, then the earth (land) may represent a scarcely populated area. quote: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him... Rev 13:12 Another good description of America. quote: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, Rev 13:13 Hiroshima, Nagasaki This link has more useful links on it http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/cayman/290/christian/prophecy/rev13.html I also think Daniel 8 mentions America. quote: And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground Dan 8:5 quote: ...O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. Dan 8:17 quote: And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. Dan 8:19 quote: ...wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days. Dan 8:26 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan%208;&version=9; Notice how the vision is shut here (and it's for the time of the end (the end times)). quote: ...hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Rev 5:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%205;&version=9; quote: And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. Rev 22:10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=22&version=9 Here visions are not sealed. The visions get unsealed in Revelation (they are not shut). This link has other useful links http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/cayman/290/christian/prophecy/daniel8.html

Bettawrekonize -> RE: Where Is America in the Bible and What is or role? (4/12/2008 4:08:14 PM)
Also, notice where Daniel was standing when he saw the vision quote: And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai. Dan 8:2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%208&version=9 He was about in the area where Kuwait is now. "Alexander the Great defeated the Medes and Persians on the Plains of Arbella, approx 1000 miles distance from Ulai" http://lastdaysreporter.com/daniel_8.html For those of you who think this vision is referring to Alexander the great, why was Daniel placed about 1,000 miles away from where the event took place (this is a vision so he could have been placed anywhere)? I used to post this years back on these forums and up until now I don't remember ever receiving an answer by those who believe the vision is referring to Alexander. Please explain (if you would like to say he was in some arbitrary location that's irrelevant, then why did he even mention where he was in the vision. Why should the vision place him in this specific area when he could have had a vision that didn't place him in any known location which could have prevented him from specifying a location). quote: And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. Dan 8:7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan%208;&version=9; "smote the ram" = air troops "stamped upon him" = ground troops The U.S usually attacks with air troops first and then ground troops.

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