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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:38:33 PM
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misty35
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Cranky, why are you hung on this, for 3 days, I have seen you post this, lol
Because you told me you would find those verses when you were no longer at work. So, I'm just waiting, day after day...
To be honest, I havent thought anymore about it. Thought you might do that for me. It doesnt matter what we post, you all will find fault it and reason to believe that we interpret Scripture wrong, so what does it matter?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:41:55 PM
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look up Smith Wigglesworth....He was called the Apostle of Faith! Read it.
That does not surprise me.
BTW:
Wigglesworth avoided medical treatment as far as possible, despite suffering from kidney stones in his later years
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:43:17 PM
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figmentPez
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It doesnt matter what we post, you all will find fault it and reason to believe that we interpret Scripture wrong, so what does it matter?
Considering that you've never even tried to actually address the scripture we post, and our commentary on it, I don't see how you can claim to know that we will find fault with whatever you way.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:44:31 PM
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Soxfan
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Some here have flunked the faith test.
Your arrogance is overflowing. This I'm sure is a violation of one of the TOS
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Folks, God is shaking up the Church, and you will see better miracles than in the days of Jesus.
Peace, Golfjack
Yup...Todd Bentley and Lakeland reinforced that.
Funny though...My Bible says that in the last days there will be a "falling away"
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:45:24 PM
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themoodyexperience
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To be honest, I havent thought anymore about it. Thought you might do that for me. It doesnt matter what we post, you all will find fault it and reason to believe that we interpret Scripture wrong, so what does it matter?
I'm very serious about reasoning from the Scriptures and rightly dividing the Word.
Are you?
Apparently they are not. I guess these days rightly dividing the Word means judging and being critical. I, like you am waiting for verses and not grandiose platitudes that sound like they belong on the Elijah List.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:49:37 PM
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figmentPez
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The cross. Jesus Christ took the full wrath of God upon Himself, that includes sickness, poverty, persecution, calamity and more.
I KNOW YOU JUST DIDNT.......are you serious?
Why do you have such a hard time believing that people are taking this thread seriously? What I have said is the absolute truth, truth I have already backed up with scripture if you've been reading my posts.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:50:36 PM
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Child4Jesus
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misty35,
Here is what scripture calls faith:
Hebrews 11:1-2;6
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. 6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
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This is what I find so interesting....you will take the time to research all this information, but you will not sit down with the Word of God, in Jesus' discipleship, and allow Him to teach you and others about "FAITH."
The problem is, so many claim to have faith, sure many will pray for a runny nose, and earache, any other kind of small ailment, and "possibly" believe, not so sure you even believe for that, but anyway.....when it comes to something big, lets say cancer, tumor, whatever you wish to name here...it frightens you to pray, because you fear, God might let you down....that's why its called, the Gift of Faith, not everyone has it, and most wont because they spend too much time on trying to prove God wrong.....GOOD GRIEF people...
So, let me ask, how do you pray? When you pray for someone who is sick, do say, "Ok, I'm going to pray, and I'm telling you now, we have a 50...50 chance here, God may or may not heal you!?!?!?!!? LOL
Where is this even coming from? Who said I fear God might let me down if He chooses to not heal someones cancer, HIV, MS, or whatever other BIG diseases? Why on earth would it frighten me to pray because I fear God might let me down? I believe that He can heal whatever disease that ails humans. However if it is his will for me to live with some ailment for the rest of my life so be it. He is God and I am not. His grace will be sufficient. He will comfort me through it. I will and would continue to seek His face no matter what.
I'm not eve sure why you are equating us saying, God doesn't guarantee 100% healing for every person = God doesn't heal anyone. No one has once said in this thread that God doesn't heal. No one has said God doesn't promise that He will heal. However what has been said is that healing is not guaranteed for everyone in this life. Christian people die from disease everyday.
I would also like to know how in the world you equate refuting, you, golfjack and others with trying to prove God wrong? No one in this thread is trying to prove God wrong. We are refuting the false teachings of WOF.
When I pray. I pray that God's will be done. When I pray for someone who is sick I ask God to heal the person. Whether it is instantaneously or over time. I pray that He does it in His timing, in His way. I pray that He would comfort the sick one in his/her sickness. I ask Him to give the person the strength to get through it. Whether physical, emotional, mental, etc.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:54:50 PM
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Child4Jesus
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I don't ever remember Jesus Christ being sick.
And don't confuse sickness with persecution....
Ok. So what does Jesus Christ not being sick (which I don't think can be proven one way or another) have to do with anything?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 2:55:02 PM
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Soxfan
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Folks, God is shaking up the Church,
Peace, Golfjack
Yup...and He's doing a "New Thing", and there are "new wineskins"...blah, blah, blah..
Typical Latter Rain/Signs and Wondes Movement tripe
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 3:27:03 PM
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rawr.ben
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Here is what Hagin said: He was healed of a heart disorder and blood disorder. In the years following, the only time some physical disorder touched him was when her got under the protection, from under the cover. And, brother, I got back in a hurry.
when I say I got from under the cover, I don't mean that I stole the cover, I don't mean that I stole something or told a lie on somebody. I just wasn't obeying God as I should. Perhaps, He said to do something, or He told me to minister a certain way, and I went ahead and ministered the way I learned to minister insteadd of of the way He said to minister. So, I had to repent and get back in line.And the minute I did, I was immediately all right again physically
Peace, Golfjack
This may be a couple pages back now, but I had to bring it up, because it is one of the most ridiculous teachings of all time.
There is no formula to "keep your healing" as Haggin suggests.
If you are healed, you are healed for good. The end.
Take this "gaining and losing your healing based on your faith at the time" heresy elsewhere.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 3:27:59 PM
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To all the WOFer's on here:
I would love to see just ONE TIME where one of your teachers would go to a REAL HOSPITAL, and start clearing it out.
If what they are teaching (God's will to heal EVERYONE) is true, then why not?
Do they have no compassion? Is this proof that their theology is bologna?
Why is it that Christ, forgiveness, salvation, and heaven aren't they main teachings, but rather prosperity, health and miracles?
It's all false.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 3:31:30 PM
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rawr.ben
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To all the WOFer's on here:
I would love to see just ONE TIME where one of your teachers would go to a REAL HOSPITAL, and start clearing it out.
If what they are teaching (God's will to heal EVERYONE) is true, then why not?
Do they have no compassion? Is this proof that their theology is bologna?
Why is it that Christ, forgiveness, salvation, and heaven aren't they main teachings, but rather prosperity, health and miracles?
It's all false.
No. According to them, it's because none of those people have enough faith . . . because faith is something to be so easily measured, and if you don't reach a certain level, God won't heal you.
It's kind of like a "you have to be this tall to ride the rollercoaster" signs.
You have to have ______ amount of faith to be healed, otherwise, you are accepting a work of Satan in your life.
Gosh. That sure makes an ugly spin on an already ugly false doctrine, doesn't it?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 3:34:59 PM
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TheosCentric
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Has anyone read Piper's Don't Waste Your Cancer?
From the article I linked:
1. You will waste your cancer if you do not believe it is designed for you by God.
2. You will waste your cancer if you believe it is a curse and not a gift.
3. You will waste your cancer if you seek comfort from your odds rather than from God.
4. You will waste your cancer if you refuse to think about death.
5. You will waste your cancer if you think that “beating” cancer means staying alive rather than cherishing Christ.
6. You will waste your cancer if you spend too much time reading about cancer and not enough time reading about God.
7. You will waste your cancer if you let it drive you into solitude instead of deepen your relationships with manifest affection.
8. You will waste your cancer if you grieve as those who have no hope.
9. You will waste your cancer if you treat sin as casually as before.
10. You will waste your cancer if you fail to use it as a means of witness to the truth and glory of Christ.
As soon as I saw misty's most recent post, I thought of this article.
Amen, amen, and amen. All Glory to God.
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