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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 3:35:19 PM
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The cross. Jesus Christ took the full wrath of God upon Himself, that includes sickness, poverty, persecution, calamity and more.
I KNOW YOU JUST DIDNT.......are you serious?
Why do you have such a hard time believing that people are taking this thread seriously? What I have said is the absolute truth, truth I have already backed up with scripture if you've been reading my posts.
Careful, you will be told you can't take a joke and that you take things way too seriously.
I see we now have another 5 pages and yet still no serious responses to our questions from golfjack, etc..
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 3:43:31 PM
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Child4Jesus
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misty35,
If I found out I had cancer today, I would pray that God would take me through it.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 3:47:45 PM
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I am reminded of a story Max Lucado tells.
His daughter was in a potentially fatal situation, but by a miracle only from God, her life was saved.
Max was praising God for God's goodness in the situation.
In the middle of it, God stopped Max and asked, "If I had let her die, would you still have considered me good?"
Ouch. How about it WOFers?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 3:49:09 PM
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I wish I could quit "accepting" the common cold. I hate those things. Sneezing, and all that. When I sneeze, it just shows my entire congregation how little and weak my faith is.
I wonder if when I get a cold that if sometimes when I can't hold it back and sneeze if someone starts wondering if I'm not obeying God somewhere in my life?
Are allergies likewise a sign of accepting something that's not of God?
Like if I get in poison Ivy back accident and break out in a rash, does that mean my lack of faith created the whelps?
This WOF stuff can really get confusing.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:00:40 PM
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God is sovereign, and I fully accept this. God is sovereign over cancer cells and the nature of the universe. He reigns over the small and the big.
My faith must be such that I can proclaim Him sovereign and Praise Him regardless of my circumstances. God wants to know--is He my strength and my portion forever?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:09:32 PM
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I suffer from a progressive, incurable genetic disoder called neurofibromatosis. The disorder causes often painful tumors to grow on nerve endings and can be quite painful and, in my case, disfiguring.
I have had my full of WOF adherants such a GJ whose most painfull disorder would be a hang-nail. In addition to my disorder I have had polio and suffered physical/emotional/sexual abuse at the hands of my missionary father. Still, I would not trade any of this because it has made me into the man i am today. I am still very failable and am very much in progress.
2 Cor 12:8 - 10 (ESV) 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:19:23 PM
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you will see better miracles than in the days of Jesus.
Peace, Golfjack
Better miracles? Better than raising the dead, healing the sick and casting out demons? Do tell.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:28:07 PM
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How do WOFer answer the following passage: remember that God never changes:
Ezek 14:12 - 23 (ESV) 12And the word of the Lord came to me: 13“Son of man, when a land sins against me by acting faithlessly, and I stretch out my hand against it and break its supply£ of bread and send famine upon it, and cut off from it man and beast, 14even if these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they would deliver but their own lives by their righteousness, declares the Lord God.
15“If I cause wild beasts to pass through the land, and they ravage it, and it be made desolate, so that no one may pass through because of the beasts, 16even if these three men were in it, as I live, declares the Lord God, they would deliver neither sons nor daughters. They alone would be delivered, but the land would be desolate. 17“Or if I bring a sword upon that land and say, Let a sword pass through the land, and I cut off from it man and beast, 18though these three men were in it, as I live, declares the Lord God, they would deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they alone would be delivered.
19“Or if I send a pestilence into that land and pour out my wrath upon it with blood, to cut off from it man and beast, 20even if Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, declares the Lord God, they would deliver neither son nor daughter. They would deliver but their own lives by their righteousness. 21“For thus says the Lord God: How much more when I send upon Jerusalem my four disastrous acts of judgment, sword, famine, wild beasts, and pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast! 22But behold, some survivors will be left in it, sons and daughters who will be brought out; behold, when they come out to you, and you see their ways and their deeds, you will be consoled for the disaster that I have brought upon Jerusalem, for all that I have brought upon it. 23They will console you, when you see their ways and their deeds, and you shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, declares the Lord God.”
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:30:42 PM
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I suffer from a progressive, incurable genetic disoder called neurofibromatosis. The disorder causes often painful tumors to grow on nerve endings and can be quite painful and, in my case, disfiguring.
I have had my full of WOF adherants such a GJ whose most painfull disorder would be a hang-nail. In addition to my disorder I have had polio and suffered physical/emotional/sexual abuse at the hands of my missionary father. Still, I would not trade any of this because it has made me into the man i am today. I am still very failable and am very much in progress.
2 Cor 12:8 - 10 (ESV) 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Amen, Colliefan.
I am so sorry that you afflicted with this terrible disease. It is so sad that have to experience the pain and suffering from it, but then to be told by others that you have it because you don't have enough faith, must be unbearable.
Thank you for sharing that Scripture because that is the absolute truth.
I apologize for those, who out of their ignorance, have added to your suffering. May God strengthen and uplift you and give you the courage to not only endure, but to come forth shining as gold!
I look forward to meeting you in heaven where...well, just read my signature.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:37:24 PM
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16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day. 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, 18 while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal. -II Corinthians 4
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:38:35 PM
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I have a question here myself. Does God depend on His people? If so, don't we have a responsibility to be saved and healed? If not,. Does a believer have a free will or is God going to do everything? If God is going to do everything, why is the world a mess. If one recognizes that adam committed high treason. Do we have a god of this world that roars like a roaring lion? Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and God cannot do anything about it. What say you?
Peace, Golfjack
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:45:29 PM
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If I found out today that I had cancer I would pray. I would ask God for His will to be done. I would say OK Lord, I'm have cancer, I'm not sure why you allowed it, but I will live with it if I have to. If you are going to heal me may it be in YOUR time. Whatever your plan is please reveal it to me. In the mean time I gonna continue to seek your face anyway.
He does say stand firm on His word. He says to expect suffering, persecution and the like. I stand firm on His word because He says He will never leave me nor forsake me. He will be my comforter through the rough times.
However no place does He say I'm to talk to sickness and tell it to leave my body.
I guess when Paul said to rejoice in the Lord always and gain I say rejoice he really meant rejoice in the Lord expect for when you are sick. You don't have to be in content.
Also regarding whether or not Christ was every sick. We cannot prove either way because scripture is silent. He was human. He was hungry, thirsty, felt pain, grew older, etc. It is not a giant leap to say He could have gotten a cold. He had all the human weaknesses except He did not sin.
Philippians 4:10-13 (New King James Version)
10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last your care for me has flourished again; though you surely did care, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
au)ta/rkhv/Autarkes/content
1. sufficient for one's self, strong enough or processing enough to need no aid or support
2. independent of external circumstances
3. contented with one's lot, with one's means, though the slenderest
con·tent·ed : feeling or showing satisfaction with one's possessions, status, or situation <a contented smile>
Again you go one about people denying the word. You have just said the same old WOF rhetoric. You haven't provided any scripture. Just said a bunch of things and made accusations.
As for brainwashing no other person has taught this to me. I have search the scriptures, prayed, search, and prayed to more.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:50:58 PM
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Faith gives action to power. Now there's something we need to understand about this stream through which the healing anointing is ministered: There is a role that we play as a receiver.
You see, even though God has anointed people to minister healing to the sick, folks must understand that healing is by degree. Therefore, it is based upon two conditioins: The degree of healing power administered and the degree of a person's faith to receive
Peace, Golfjack
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 4:58:08 PM
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I just couldnt resist saying this before I go back to work, if you found out today that you have cancer, what do you do? Do you say ok Lord, Im a Christian, I have got cancer, so Im going to believe this is your Will for my life, because you suffered, so I'll suffer....wrong people...again dont confuse sickness with persecution, there is a big difference here my friends. And so many Christians accept cancer, and become passive (accepting it), because they honestly believe its part of suffering for Christ, ITS NOT!!! He does not give us cancer or anything else for that matter, He is the GREAT PHYSICIAN, He says stand firm on my Word, and demand it to leave your body!! Its not His Will that we suffer like that!! And whoever said they couldnt prove Christ wasnt sick while here, I find that pretty pathetic my friend, and I promise you this, HE WAS NEVER SICK AND NEVER WILL BE!!!!
So if a Christian dies today of cancer, it doesnt mean they go to hell, it means they accepted it, and are just going to meet the Lord sooner than I will, because Im here to fight the good fight of faith, and to see more souls won to CHRIST.
Now if there is any part of that, that you dont understand, thats your fault....thats your denial of the Word, because if my 16 year old daughter understands this, then you have no excuse for it, other than who might be teaching it to you, and brainwashing you!!!!
Now have a good day..... 
Again, unfounded accusations. You don't know what we believe, and many times we have stated to the contrary of your depictions of us.
First, before you finish reading this post of mine, go back and read my post Post #2489, Page 100.
My sister had cancer. My sister never gave up. She experienced healing, but not fully. Her broken neck was healed, during chemo when new cell growth is "impossible". All through her trial, she never stopped believing that God would heal her. What she struggled with was WOF teahers who told her she was worthless, faithless and a sinner because she wasn't healed by God. Thank God the people around her didn't see that the same way. God was glorified by my sister's obedience to Him, even through her trials. Read my post (I'm serious, go follow that link now) That testimony is just a small sliver of the lives that were changed by my sister being obedient to God during her illness.
The day before my sister's 32nd birthday, she died from pneumonia. She'd slipped into a coma about a week earlier. Even as she was being put into the ambulance to be taken to the hospital, barely able to breathe, she spoke of how she had faith that God could heal her. Don't you dare tell me that my sister gave up! Don't say that God wasn't glorified because of her suffering. Don't say that lives weren't changed and that God's kingdom wasn't advanced. Don't say that my sister was passive, or that she didn't spend hours and hours in prayer for God to heal her and deliver her from the many years of pain she suffered. Don't say any of that, because it would be lies.
Yes, it was God's will that my sister suffer like that, because it glorified Him and led others to greater faith. My sister, like many of those of great faith saw God's promises and welcomed them from a distance, but did not receive what was promised (in this life) because God wanted something better for her and for others. My sister's great faith impacted countless lives around her. She suffered so that she would not be made perfect apart from them.
I am most certainly not confusing illness with persecution. Neither did Paul when he boasted of not only suffering persecution, but hunger, thirst, sleepless nights, shipwrecks and more. As I've shown time and time again in this thread, God promises us far more than healing. Separating healing as a different type of promise from all the other things God says He will do is completely unscriptural.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:00:00 PM
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You see, even though God has anointed people to minister healing to the sick, folks must understand that healing is by degree. Therefore, it is based upon two conditioins: The degree of healing power administered and the degree of a person's faith to receive
This is wholly and compltely at odds with what the Bible teaches about God's promises. As well as at odds with scriptures accounts of healing. As I have requested before, please give us any account where someone came to Jesus Christ asking to be healed, but were refused because they lacked faith, or were only partially healed because of a lack of faith.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:02:31 PM
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Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and God cannot do anything about it. What say you?
I say that the impotent god you describe here is an idol which I will not worship, because it is not the God who is declared by scripture. The God of scripture has all authority, and satan holds no sway over Him.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:08:53 PM
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So if a Christian dies today of cancer, it doesn't mean they go to hell, it means they accepted it, and are just going to meet the Lord sooner than I will, because I'm here to fight the good fight of faith, and to see more souls won to CHRIST.
As someone who worked in the medical field for a number of years, you may be in for a great big surprise if you get cancer. I have seen some cancer patients with less significant disease die well ahead of those with end stage disease. Many of those patients fought it with everything they had to no avail. Many of those who "just accepted it" are still here. Our lives our in God's hands. He alone determines the number of our days. One would have to have a highly inflated ego to think that they have anything to do with it.
1 "Man who is born of woman is of few days and full of trouble. 2 He comes forth like a flower and fades away; He flees like a shadow and does not continue. 3 And do You open Your eyes on such a one, And bring me to judgment with Yourself? 4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one! 5 Since his days are determined, The number of his months is with You; You have appointed his limits, so that he cannot pass." -Job 14
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:11:13 PM
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Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and God cannot do anything about it. What say you?
I say that the impotent god you describe here is an idol which I will not worship, because it is not the God who is declared by scripture. The God of scripture has all authority, and satan holds no sway over Him.
It is interesting that WOF'ers will make this claim, then forget about what we learn from Job. You see, the Advesary had no power to go after Job until GOD ALLOWED IT! And even then, it was subject to the limitations of God Himself.
Job shows us that God has FULL power over Satan, and that God ALLOWS Satan to work on earth to fulfill His divine will. Satan ONLY has the power that GOD GAVE HIM! And Christ's atonement on the cross, DESTROYED that power FOREVER! As a believer, being sanctified by the blood of Christ, I am no longer controled by Satan. He has no power over me because of the work of Christ Jesus. This sure sounds like the one in Heaven has MORE power than the "ruler" of the air.
And again, as for my sickness, which as I said earlier is Neurofibromatosis Type 1 (just like collie), the only "curse" that comes from it, is people like YOU golfjack, and YOU misty, who assume I lack faith because it is apart of who I am. It is from people who make assumptions about my personality and assume I am a recluse, but dont know the reasons why.
And I have no doubt, that if we were to have a Mt Carmel experience, it would be you two who would be found wanting. For I serve Him, and He does not serve me!
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:23:12 PM
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I have a question here myself. Does God depend on His people? If so, don't we have a responsibility to be saved and healed? If not. Does a believer have a free will or is God going to do everything? If God is going to do everything, why is the world a mess. If one recognizes that Adam committed high treason. Do we have a god of this world that roars like a roaring lion? Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and God cannot do anything about it. What say you?
Peace, Golfjack
Yeah God depends on us to be obedient and be faithful to Him. We don't have a responsibility to be saved or healed. He is the one that does the saving and healing. He saves us on His terms which is faith in His only begotten son, Jesus Christ. He also heals on His terms. Whether it is to heal or not heal.
Major thing that offends me with this post is you seem to be imply that if one has some disease or frailty God cannot depend on him or her. I guess God can't depend on Joni Erickson Tada who is crippled from the neck down yet has this Joni and Friends. I guess if you are a Christian or a non-Christian who wants to become a Christian and you have some infirmity or frailty you better get on that healing because God can't depend on you otherwise.
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Do we have a god of this world that roars like a roaring lion? Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and God cannot do anything about it. What say you?
Please show me in scripture where it says that the enemy has legal right here and God cannot do anything about it. What you said here is so outrageous it is sad. God has no legal right to His creation? Are you kidding me? God is the ruler of the universe. He always had been and always will be. God did so something about Satan. He was defeated at the cross.
1 John 3:8 (New King James Version)
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
Colossians 2:1-15 (New King James Version)
1 For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
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Hebrews 2:13-15 (New King James Version)
13 And again: “ I will put My trust in Him.” And again: “ Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.” 14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
I would say that Golfjack is right that Satan did have so called legal right here otherwise the temptations in the desert would not have been legitimate. Where he goes too far and thus makes himself wrong is saying God can't do anything about it. He did do something about it. Jesus's death on the cross defeated Satan. However Satan does still have power but only in a much less limited capacity and only what God allows him to do. See scriptures below.
Matthew 4:7-9 (New King James Version)
7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the LORD your God.’” 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”
Luke 4:4-6 (New King James Version)
4 But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’” 5 Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him[c] all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
1 John 5:19 (New American Standard Bible)
19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:29:58 PM
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golfjack
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Did the woman with the issue of blood act on her faith when she touched the garment of Jesus, and Jesus told her HER FAITH HAS MADE HER WHOLE?
Peace, Golfjack
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:37:41 PM
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7OFUS
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I have a question here myself. Does God depend on His people? If so, don't we have a responsibility to be saved and healed? If not,. Does a believer have a free will or is God going to do everything? If God is going to do everything, why is the world a mess. If one recognizes that adam committed high treason. Do we have a god of this world that roars like a roaring lion? Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and God cannot do anything about it. What say you?
Peace, Golfjack
Golfjack,
Why would you say ' Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and the sovereign God of the universe can't do anything about it'.
God, upholds ALL things by the word of His power. Heb1:3 He is satan's creator, and he only exists because He allows it.
That statement makes it sound like satan has power at least equal to God's.
Wow! What is the definition of blasphemy!
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:48:38 PM
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themoodyexperience
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ORIGINAL: 7OFUS
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I have a question here myself. Does God depend on His people? If so, don't we have a responsibility to be saved and healed? If not,. Does a believer have a free will or is God going to do everything? If God is going to do everything, why is the world a mess. If one recognizes that adam committed high treason. Do we have a god of this world that roars like a roaring lion? Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and God cannot do anything about it. What say you?
Peace, Golfjack
Golfjack,
Why would you say ' Yes, the enemy has a legal right to be here, and the sovereign God of the universe can't do anything about it'.
God, upholds ALL things by the word of His power. Heb1:3 He is satan's creator, and he only exists because He allows it.
That statement makes it sound like satan has power at least equal to God's.
Wow! What is the definition of blasphemy!
Well if satan weren't equal to God in WOFland, who would they use all that superfaith against?
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Moodyvision - my YouTube channel
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 11/12/2008 5:56:34 PM
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Child4Jesus
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ORIGINAL: golfjack
Did the woman with the issue of blood act on her faith when she touched the garment of Jesus, and Jesus told her HER FAITH HAS MADE HER WHOLE?
Peace, Golfjack
Her faith in Him, in His power to heal her. Not an amount of faith or her saying what she wanted by her faith filled words. She believed He could heal her and He did.
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In Christ,
Richad
The greatest heresy to American Christianity is that if you ask Jesus to come into your heart, he definitely will.
Paul Washer
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