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Giulia -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/3/2008 7:39:44 AM)

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okay. though i wouldn't say it is like olive oil in a spiritual form.


Christian sacrament uses a material substance to describe a spiritual much deeper substance. Everything on earth is a copy of what is in heaven, more specifically the water of baptism (don't matter how many times you get dipped if you don't get the spiritual baptism then it doesn't count), the bread of life (which is another aspect of Jesus), the wine (His blood and life). Olive oil is the closest material substance to the oil of anointing.

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so you think it is a calling, but don't think that artists can be annointed? or you think that an artist as a vocation can be part of one walking out a calling as a pastor or teacher or administrator? just trying to clarify.


I know that an anointing is something that happens to the heart. the physical means of expression or manifestation of that anointing is a choice left up to the individual according to their abilities..

I said it earlier, I'll say it again - a person can be anointed yet have no artistic talent whatsoever. In fact two of the most anointed men I know were apostles, that was their talent. They broke new ground in community services and made changes which developed the community permanently, no art came from them but many miracles of healing and signs and wonders followed them.

Jesus said these signs would follow them that believe: they would heal and miracles would happen. Don't you think Jesus would've mentioned art if He esteemed it as you seem to?

Do you think Jesus was too outdated or uncultured that He wasn't able to think of everything?

The anointing was specifically for healing and signs and wonders, not to sit in your room and create works that everyone can praise.

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not sure where this came from, but i agree wholeheartedly -- if someone fancies themself an artist (in any medium) and they only make work for themselves, i would argue they are not an artist. then again, i think artists perform a function in society, and that function is communicative and social. otherwise it's therapy.


So she wasn't an artist because she didn't go on and keep creating pieces? We might just stop right there, if you don't agree she was an artist with an anointing (not to do art but with an obvious anonting which manifested in her art) then I have nothing more to say to you.

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so you think it is a calling, but don't think that artists can be annointed? or you think that an artist as a vocation can be part of one walking out a calling as a pastor or teacher or administrator? just trying to clarify.


No I don't think it's a calling, I think it's a mode of expression.

Yes I think teachers and pastors are artists in the true sense of the word. I think one should fit in with the current structure of things otherwise you can call yourself an artist but not a Christian.

I see "Christian dancers" how are they different from the ones of the world? I see they put together a splendid ballet demonstrating no guile but they are not Christians, how do you explain that? Is God's anointing so common that even those not anointed can possess the fruits thereof?

Anointings in the new testament are either associated with healings and miracles or attachment to God, an anointing was a specific thing that Jesus experienced in Gethsemane before His death and foretold by the actions of the woman who poured expensive oil on Him. Never spoken of as anointing to do anything specific, even apostles, prophets and teachers were not anointed to be that, rather called to be that, anointed to die to self. It has just been of late people talk about an anointing for this or for that, it's not true, check it out for yourself.



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/3/2008 11:03:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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so you think it is a calling, but don't think that artists can be annointed? or you think that an artist as a vocation can be part of one walking out a calling as a pastor or teacher or administrator? just trying to clarify.

I know that an anointing is something that happens to the heart. the physical means of expression or manifestation of that anointing is a choice left up to the individual according to their abilities..

okay. so, in the context of the artist, art is simply one of any nembers of means of expression of the annointing, so an artist can be annointed because the annointing is really about the heart?

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
I said it earlier, I'll say it again - a person can be anointed yet have no artistic talent whatsoever. In fact two of the most anointed men I know were apostles, that was their talent. They broke new ground in community services and made changes which developed the community permanently, no art came from them but many miracles of healing and signs and wonders followed them.

okay - i misunderstood. i thought you were talking about people with no artistic talent being annointed when they made art. again, if you look at my original post, i was interested in exploring the calling of the artist (and how the annointing might figure into that). sigh.

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
Jesus said these signs would follow them that believe: they would heal and miracles would happen. Don't you think Jesus would've mentioned art if He esteemed it as you seem to?

well, not if you think it's really all about the heart. even so, he didn't mention any specific means for healings and miracles to happen. you can't argue from a non-mention of things. just because art isn't mentioned doesn't mean it can't be a vehicle for those things. besides, i'm not esteeming art over the actual laying on of hands and praying for the sick - it's simply the topic of the discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
Do you think Jesus was too outdated or uncultured that He wasn't able to think of everything?

i have no idea if jesus ever spoke of art. however, john tells us that there are many other things jesus spoke of that weren't captured on parchment because there was simply too much. the writers of the gospels definitely made decisions (with guidance by the holy spirit) about what they wrote down.

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
The anointing was specifically for healing and signs and wonders, not to sit in your room and create works that everyone can praise.

umm...but what if the annointing was to make art that went out to the people and then G-d used the art (like the brazen serpent) to heal people etc? anyway, i think that the process of making art making art may occur in private, but then the art should go out into the world.

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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not sure where this came from, but i agree wholeheartedly -- if someone fancies themself an artist (in any medium) and they only make work for themselves, i would argue they are not an artist. then again, i think artists perform a function in society, and that function is communicative and social. otherwise it's therapy.

So she wasn't an artist because she didn't go on and keep creating pieces? We might just stop right there, if you don't agree she was an artist with an anointing (not to do art but with an obvious anonting which manifested in her art) then I have nothing more to say to you.

if you don't make (or at least think about making art when you're not) art you're not an artist. period. just like if you can't fix shoes you're not a cobbler. if this is in reference to joni - i believe she's still making art. she is also doing other things, but her artmaking certainly opened some doors and enabled her to speak about the things she does, specifically ministry to the disabled.

i think the confusion here is that i am speaking of the annointing as it connects specifically to the work of the artist, whereas you are speaking of the annointing as something that [all?] christians have and so it doesn't matter what they do specifically. is that correct? it feels like we're discussing past each other. i'm not so much worried about a global perspective on the annointing, i'm interested (in this particular aspect of the discussion, anyway) in how the annointing functions for specifically for the artist (in any medium).

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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so you think it is a calling, but don't think that artists can be annointed? or you think that an artist as a vocation can be part of one walking out a calling as a pastor or teacher or administrator? just trying to clarify.

No I don't think it's a calling, I think it's a mode of expression.

is being an artist a vocation? a job? do you think some people might have been equipped with skills and talents specifically to enable them to be artists? i think what you're saying here is that art is a simply another method or mode for expressing the annointing. is that correct? the quote of mine you have here was in response to this quote by you: "The bible talks about the callings of an apostle, prophet, administrator, teacher etc, I think an artist is one of these." so perhaps you can understand my confusion about what you're saying.

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
Yes I think teachers and pastors are artists in the true sense of the word. I think one should fit in with the current structure of things otherwise you can call yourself an artist but not a Christian.
i'm not sure i understand. how are teachers and pastors artists? i'm obviously missing something in what you're trying to say, because i'm pretty sure you can call yourself an artist and not be a christian.

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
I see "Christian dancers" how are they different from the ones of the world? I see they put together a splendid ballet demonstrating no guile but they are not Christians, how do you explain that? Is God's anointing so common that even those not anointed can possess the fruits thereof?
those are good questions, and part of what i'm interested in discussing. i wasn't saying all artists (in any medium) by virtue of being artists are annointed (the annointing is by the holy spirit, so that makes it pretty clear where the power of that lies), but regardless art does have the power to move us. that is the wonderful thing about art. but i think that is one of the crucial questions: is there a difference? and i think that goes back to the content (of both the art and the artists' lives).

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
Anointings in the new testament are either associated with healings and miracles or attachment to God, an anointing was a specific thing that Jesus experienced in Gethsemane before His death and foretold by the actions of the woman who poured expensive oil on Him.

though he performed all those miracles beforehand -- wasn't that because of the annointing? after all, at his baptism the holy spirit did descend upon him in the figure of a dove (which would be a pretty clear picture of the annointing, i would think).

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
Never spoken of as anointing to do anything specific, even apostles, prophets and teachers were not anointed to be that, rather called to be that, anointed to die to self. It has just been of late people talk about an anointing for this or for that, it's not true, check it out for yourself.

hmm. i will.



Giulia -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/3/2008 5:31:03 PM)

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umm...but what if the annointing was to make art that went out to the people and then G-d used the art (like the brazen serpent) to heal people etc? anyway, i think that the process of making art making art may occur in private, but then the art should go out into the world.


It is written Jesus Christ will be lifted as the serpent was lifted in the wilderness, not art. That would be replacing Jesus. The serpent was a representation of sin, so is the cross. Unless there is a repentance there is no new life. The cross is to lead us to repentance once we see our sins therein.

I haven't got much time, got this forum on today. By all means I think art is a mode of expression. I guess what i am saying is there is no such thing as exclusive Christian artists. It is all about the individual walk and abilities.

Artists are very self obsessed, that is the very demon they need to overcome, if art is the medium by which that shall happen, great! Self obsession is a big demon to overcome and also very powerful one, this is all relative to the subject.

On second thought pastors are theologians, teachers (if literature) are artists. The anointing is for healing specifically, not for the anointing of any specific function. Check it out.



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/3/2008 6:17:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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umm...but what if the annointing was to make art that went out to the people and then G-d used the art (like the brazen serpent) to heal people etc? anyway, i think that the process of making art making art may occur in private, but then the art should go out into the world.

It is written Jesus Christ will be lifted as the serpent was lifted in the wilderness, not art. That would be replacing Jesus. The serpent was a representation of sin, so is the cross. Unless there is a repentance there is no new life. The cross is to lead us to repentance once we see our sins therein.

ok, but in exodus it was an actual art object that was used to bring actual healing to actual people who actually looked at the artwork. the brazen serpent didn't replace jesus - it pointed towards him (or he pointed backwards to it). the old testament isn't a metaphor, and neither was that artwork.

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
I haven't got much time, got this forum on today. By all means I think art is a mode of expression. I guess what i am saying is there is no such thing as exclusive Christian artists. It is all about the individual walk and abilities.

what do you mean by this: "exclusive Christian artists"?

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
Artists are very self obsessed, that is the very demon they need to overcome, if art is the medium by which that shall happen, great! Self obsession is a big demon to overcome and also very powerful one, this is all relative to the subject.

many people other than artists are self-obsessed - i think it's an issue with western culture in general. the problem is that artists are generally taught that art's purpose is self-expression at the expense of all other things. so it is a big problem when trying to talk to artists about their work and/or purpose.

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
On second thought pastors are theologians, teachers (if literature) are artists. The anointing is for healing specifically, not for the anointing of any specific function. Check it out.

...not following you here...



Giulia -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/4/2008 5:55:30 AM)

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ok, but in exodus it was an actual art object that was used to bring actual healing to actual people who actually looked at the artwork. the brazen serpent didn't replace jesus - it pointed towards him (or he pointed backwards to it). the old testament isn't a metaphor, and neither was that artwork.


What is not art work?

If you read all of the new testament examples are used from there all the time to point to what is happening now, it is the nature of prophecy. It is a shadow of the new. That is why there are so many references to the OT in the New.

John 3:14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up"

I have no further insight to bring to this discussion, nice talking.



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/4/2008 10:21:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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ok, but in exodus it was an actual art object that was used to bring actual healing to actual people who actually looked at the artwork. the brazen serpent didn't replace jesus - it pointed towards him (or he pointed backwards to it). the old testament isn't a metaphor, and neither was that artwork.

What is not art work?

If you read all of the new testament examples are used from there all the time to point to what is happening now, it is the nature of prophecy. It is a shadow of the new. That is why there are so many references to the OT in the New.

John 3:14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up"

i understand that, but i thought we were discussing whether or not art could be used to effect healing and, regardless of whether the brazen serpent was a picture of christ, the brazen serpent is an example of G-d using an art object to do precisely that - be the avenue for miracles...which i think is pretty cool. further, if the old testament points towards what is happening now, couldn't that also mean that G-d could still use art to effect healing (whether physical or emotional)?

just wondering...



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/7/2008 7:24:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
Our God is an expansive God and the breadth of His interests is rich and full beyond measure. Those who would compartmentalize the Christian experience into sacred and secular miss out on a level of joy that those who see an expansive God enjoy immensely.

i agree that the sacred/ secular division is false...how do you understand these terms?

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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
All one has to do is to walk through the National Museum of Art or attend the Messiah or any classical concert to realize that at some point Christians really understood this. A book, painting or composition doesn't have to 'be about Jesus' to be about Jesus in much wider terms. A perfect concerto speaks of God's greatness in that God created sound and created the rules that turns sound into music that tunes into the human spirit in positive ways.

so where do you think the shift occurred?

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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
Had not Handel been 'called' to compose in a general sense, the world would never had The Messiah in a specific sense.

is this what is sometimes referred to as "common grace"?



SD456 -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/15/2008 9:03:27 PM)

I believe being an artist is a calling. A calling is simply something that God calls us to spend our life doing. It doesn't have to be full-time or be our income either. It's the area God has 'called' us to or our place in the Kingdom which God has prepared beforehand for each of His children and given them the specific giftings they need to fulfill that calling. We all have a calling on our lives. Not all in the creative arts, some in the medical field, etc.

God's annointing does rest on the things that people create. A book can be so annointed that people are touched and seeds are planted even when the gospel isn't spoken about.

The same is true with photography or painting. God will annoint the works of our hands and cause them to bless others as we pray over our work and seek the Holy Spirit's guidance in the creating and ask for God's favor on it.



car2ner -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/16/2008 5:32:28 PM)

I haven't read to catch up on the discussion on this thread, but here is my two cents. I do know that when I pray first, my illustrations, lessons, etc, turn out so much better than when I don't pray for God's guidance first.

I used to get frustrated that I couldn't make a living with my illustrations, yet my art was used in many places, blessed many people, and has taken me to opportunities I only wished I could have. I am looking forward to see how God uses this talent He gave me next. I just have to make sure now that I don't squander it.



SD456 -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/16/2008 5:53:01 PM)

God's annointing on the work of our hands and creative minds is so sweet!



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/17/2008 10:06:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
I haven't read to catch up on the discussion on this thread, but here is my two cents. I do know that when I pray first, my illustrations, lessons, etc, turn out so much better than when I don't pray for God's guidance first.

would you be willing to post examples of both (re: illustrations)?

and i'd be interested in your thoughts after reading the thread...

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
I am looking forward to see how God uses this talent He gave me next. I just have to make sure now that I don't squander it.

absolutely, that is the challenge, isn't it?

sigh



car2ner -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/17/2008 5:56:57 PM)

I attempted to catch up with the mood of this thread. I am not sure if I want to step into the debate because I really don't understand the reason for it.

You can see some of my work in my blog (link below) if you click on photo stream. That takes you to Flickr. I have drawings, paintings, and photographs there.

I guess someone annointed is annointed for a special task or purpose. God has used the talent that He has given me in various ways but my main calling is to teach. Art is a tool to teach by and it is by far my favorite tool. Currently I am using Drama to teach but I have and will continue to use the visiual arts to teach. Art is often the starting block for a race to examine a subject or an idea.

Do I call everything art? No! The concept of "what ever a person makes and calls art is art...." Ick. The concept of "it's the process not the product" is not art. It is a lesson but I wouldn't call it art. That is just my opinion and I know that it is not the currently popular opinion. But then again, popular opinion can be fickle. It is ultimately God's opinion that counts and we are responsible to Him for how we are stewards of the talents He gifts to us. Therefore, I can only give my opinion on what I would call art or a legit use for art.



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/18/2008 8:18:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
I attempted to catch up with the mood of this thread. I am not sure if I want to step into the debate because I really don't understand the reason for it.

i'm simply exploring various aspects of the calling, role and responsibilities of an artist - particularly within the context of being a disciple of christ. i'm looking to discuss these things, and by discussing (and sometimes even arguing) hoping to learn and see things differently (and, i must admit, to challenge other ideas about these things).

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
I guess someone annointed is annointed for a special task or purpose. God has used the talent that He has given me in various ways but my main calling is to teach. Art is a tool to teach by and it is by far my favorite tool. Currently I am using Drama to teach but I have and will continue to use the visiual arts to teach. Art is often the starting block for a race to examine a subject or an idea.

so art is utilitarian? i like that teaching is your primary call and that art is a tool to [illustrate? demonstrate? enrich? suggest?] what the content is. question: how do you use art as part of that education process? i'm curious because art functions differently than information or language...

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
Do I call everything art? No! The concept of "what ever a person makes and calls art is art...." Ick.

i agree. so how do you define it?

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
The concept of "it's the process not the product" is not art. It is a lesson but I wouldn't call it art. That is just my opinion and I know that it is not the currently popular opinion. But then again, popular opinion can be fickle.

i'm not sure what popular opinion has to do with anything. certainly, the process of making art is important, but ultimately one does want to have a finished object. "product" often has the suggestion of commerce, and somehow we think it's wrong to make work that actually sells. as if that is somehow a compromise. sometimes it is, but whether something sells is not in and of itself any indication of something being art.

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
It is ultimately God's opinion that counts and we are responsible to Him for how we are stewards of the talents He gifts to us. Therefore, I can only give my opinion on what I would call art or a legit use for art.

absolutely -- but what does "stewardship" look like in relation to the arts?

more questions: don't you think that there are standards for defining what is art and what comprises a legitimate use of art? in fact, i'd really like to explore that idea: the legitimate use of art. and also the illegitimate use of art. yum. don't you think there is more to it than opinion? don't you think that G-d actually has some opinions about it, and that there are some indications of his opinion (and the legit use of art) in the scriptures?



car2ner -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/19/2008 8:01:35 AM)

Ah, if we could discuss this face to face, what a delight it would be. Very thought provoking questions:

>question: how do you use art as part of that education process? i'm curious because art functions differently than information or language...

Exactly, it is using a differant "knowledge gate" to examine the subject with. Role playing is fabulous but only when the student knows something about improvosational role playing in the first place. Of course, there is the trite but true statement of, "a picture is worth a thousand words". Music touches the emotions and the intellect at the same time. Just listen to the background music of movies. Sometimes art a low stress gate into a more intense subject.

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i'm not sure what popular opinion has to do with anything. certainly, the process of making art is important, but ultimately one does want to have a finished object. "product" often has the suggestion of commerce, and somehow we think it's wrong to make work that actually sells. as if that is somehow a compromise. sometimes it is, but whether something sells is not in and of itself any indication of something being art.

Popular opinion in education has alot to do with how things are taught. Often a teacher is bound by the latest teaching technique. I am blessed to be in a school that has allowed me a bit of flexibility because of my field.
As far as the commercial aspect of art, we had a bit of a row in Atlanta when one art college took over another. One was more focused on the fine arts, the other on commercial art. I personally think fine art is wonderful but if you can't find a buyer, you will have to fit your fine arts into your spare time after your Pay the Bills job. As far as what sells making it art? I wouldn't use that as a determination.


>what does "stewardship" look like in relation to the arts? >i'd really like to explore that idea: the legitimate use of art. and also the illegitimate use of art. yum. don't you think there is more to it than opinion? don't you think that G-d actually has some opinions about it, and that there are some indications of his opinion (and the legit use of art) in the scriptures?



If I put a project on the back burner that God wants completed, I am being a poor steward. If I don't practice to keep my skill current, I am being a poor steward. If I work on projects that in the end are harmful, that is not being a good steward.

Which brings up the legit reasons for art. What is art? There is no hard and fast, black or white line. In music, what sounds like worship to one person sounds like noise to another. And yet there are songs that I wouldn't even call a song! In visual art I have seen pieces I don't like and yet, the thought and effort involved would label it art in my mind. Some pieces are very pleasing but not necessarily art. I have performed in the Georgia Renissance Fair for about 4 years. Some would call that a venue of heathens and yet, behind the stage I could see why God had placed me there for a season. On the other hand, if I had remained on the cast past that season, it would have taken up time that God had other plans for.



car2ner -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/22/2008 6:46:33 AM)

hmm, killed this thread... time to go to work



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/23/2008 10:36:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
hmm, killed this thread... time to go to work

not really...anyway, for those entering at this point, and who aren't reading the entire thread - here's a reprise of the original questions:

- if being an artist is a calling (and i am stating that it is a calling), what does that calling entail?
- what are the responsibilities and expectations of an artist as they walk out their calling? what defines an artist? what does an artist do?
- what is the artist's role in society/ culture? what training do we pursue? who are our examples?
- how do we grow and mature as artists? what are the hallmarks of that maturity?
- how do we determine success? what does that look like?

other questions that could also be raised include:
- how does art convey meaning?
- how does one marry form and content to best effect?
- how does one engage with/ respond to criticism?
- how does one determine whether their work is effective (or not)?
- how does one critique and respond to art?
- what is the artist's reponsibility as a creator of images and texts?
- what is a viewer's responsibility as a consumer of those images and texts?

jump in!



car2ner -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/23/2008 4:18:23 PM)

OK, too many questions at once... Start off with one! We'll see how it goes from there and perhaps it will lead to some of the others.



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/23/2008 4:25:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner
OK, too many questions at once... Start off with one! We'll see how it goes from there and perhaps it will lead to some of the others.

go ahead -- pick one...or, if you prefer, start here:

if being an artist is a calling (and i am stating that it is a calling), what does that calling entail?



nekkew -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/24/2008 1:08:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

Artistic ability is a talent, not a calling. As what to do with that talent, I would suggest that one do with it as with the rest of their life.

(1Co 10:31) Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Thanks
RC


Yes I agree.



car2ner -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/24/2008 5:56:40 AM)

Art might be a "calling" but I don't agree with art for art's sake. Art is a medium to get a message across. If God and the artist want to use art to get the message across perhaps the calling is evangelist or teacher, etc.



jubee -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/28/2008 12:49:24 PM)

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first of all, I wouldn't call my writing a calling as I would call it what I do. A calling is more of a ministry, like pastoring or a missionary. I write b/c it's all I want to do. I want it more than the breath in my lungs and can't think of doing anything else. I love getting lost in my own story. It's more than writing, it's disappearing.


I think those things that we do instictively with fervor and passion are gifts from God for His glory. I don't believe that only missionaries and pastors are walking in their calling. Writing is a ministry and could be a calling too...for as long as God can use it to inspire others and He can be seen in your work. I think people have callings to teach, help, give, cook,clean, sing, dance, draw, write, paint, build, lead and so on. Just as 1 Corinthians 12:12 states "For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body being many, are one body, so also is Christ."


Take gentle care,

Jubee[:D]



jubee -> RE: the calling of an artist... (4/28/2008 1:16:38 PM)

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Jesus said these signs would follow them that believe: they would heal and miracles would happen. Don't you think Jesus would've mentioned art if He esteemed it as you seem to?

Do you think Jesus was too outdated or uncultured that He wasn't able to think of everything?

The anointing was specifically for healing and signs and wonders, not to sit in your room and create works that everyone can praise.



Jesus didn't specifically mention the word pornography or condemn pedophiles in the bible either but does that mean that it isn't ungodly and immoral?

In order to reach people with art, you have to be anointed....as with anything else! When someone creates a piece of art and is asked "what was your inspiration?" That's an opportunity for ministry and giving glory right back to God.

According to Strong's #5545 and my bible, the Greek term charisma is related to the title Christ, which means "Anointed One". The anointing depcits the impartion of the Holy Spirit to a person. As Christians, now indwelt by the Holy Spirit, we are joined to the Anointed One and share in His anointing (2 Cor. 1:21, 22). Therefore, we can know all things with respect to truth and falsehood. Because the Spirit lives in us, we know all that we need to know in order to resist the temptations of false teachers and to live godly lives in this world.

To live a godly life in this world means to do all things that are pleasing to God. Whether it is art, or being a shepherd. David was anointed to be a shepherd and when the oil (symbolic of the anointing) was held over him it flowed....God wasn't interested in the fact that all he did all day was watch sheep and kill bears and lions, he cared about the condition of his heart towards Him and the things he did all day...and that is what causes the anointing to flow.


A heart for God, obedience to HIS will, and a daily life that pleases Him internally and externally. We need the anointing just to survive everyday not only for healing, signs and wonders. No matter what we do, sing, clean, cook, draw, paint, serve, help, dance, write, preach, heal, prophesy, pray...it must be done to the glory of God and that is what God blesses...Even art!



techne -> RE: the calling of an artist... (5/1/2008 9:20:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jubee
In order to reach people with art, you have to be anointed....as with anything else! When someone creates a piece of art and is asked "what was your inspiration?" That's an opportunity for ministry and giving glory right back to God.

i was just wondering - what exactly do you mean here? many non-christians "reach people" with their art - are they annointed? or do you mean this only within the context of evangelism (and then we might need to define what that means in the context of the arts)?

thanks for dropping in...



jubee -> RE: the calling of an artist... (5/1/2008 12:32:42 PM)

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was just wondering - what exactly do you mean here? many non-christians "reach people" with their art - are they annointed? or do you mean this only within the context of evangelism (and then we might need to define what that means in the context of the arts)?

thanks for dropping in...



I think they are gifted and talented....I think we all have gifts and talents (Christian, Non-Christian, Muslim, Buddhists.......Michael Jackson, Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods, Bill Gates....see the parable of the talents. Our gifts become anointed when we surrender them to Christ and make a decision that everything we do in relation to life and our gifts will be used to ultimately glorify God. What's the difference between a singer and an anointed singer...a singer may reach people but an anointed singer has touched and will touch the heart of God and people AND is able through to destroy yokes through the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Someone who is anointed is more concerned with pleasing God than pleasing man and self.

Jubee[:D]



car2ner -> RE: the calling of an artist... (5/1/2008 9:25:34 PM)

I tend not to use the word "annointed". It had a specific meaning in the O.T. and has become more nebulous over the centuries. I like the word assigned. God gives us assignments. Sometimes they are long term, some short. They are usually for some reason and not just some vague ".... just because....." reason. Just because is fine. Just because can be good practice. Just because hones our skills. But I feel that God gives us assignments to accomplish some goal.



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