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skigirl -> The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (3/27/2008 3:08:38 PM)

I have been studying the Real ID Act for a couple of years now. It has been delayed a few times, but it has passed legislation and is slated to become effective in May of 2008. The last I read, States are allowed to put off implementation for up to another year, and then maybe another, with the final date being 2011 (I should check my resources again).

I actually talked to the girl who worked at the Licensing place in Sandpoint Idaho where I live. She pulled out a giant binder which layed out all the laws and implementation rules. She said that the State of Idaho is outraged because it will cost about 20 million dollars or more a year to implement and maintain, and the Federal government will not cover or subsidize this amount.

I believe 17 states (not sure of the last count) including my state of Idaho has passed legislation against the REAL ID ACT, citing it as unconstitutional.

Here are my problems with the ACT and why I believe that it will fulfilil biblical prophesy:

#1- As citizens we have the right to reject the card (just as states that have passed legislation against it), however, if you reject the card for ANY reason, you will not be allowed: in a federal building, on a commercial airline or train, you will be unable to have a federally insured bank account, and you will not be able to travel outside of the country, and you will not be able to be employed without it. (As an employer, I will not be able to hire anyone without it). If you refuse to get the ID card, you will be issued a card that says it is not compliant.

#2- The card will be equipped with an RFID chip. This chip will make it possible for the authorities (or anyone else who has access to the 1 national database) to pinpoint you're location at any time at any place in the world. SCARRY!!
*What if a terrorist organization hacks into the system while we are abroad? And at the risk of sounding like a typical North Idaho nut, what if our government becomes non-trustworthy (say as in the case of a one world government or the antichrist rising to power, now he will have direct lines of every citizen in the U.S. and probably the world).

#3- We will have to send in our birth certificate, utility bill, and drivers license (which will be replaced by the new ID card). Our actual home address is required on the card.
*This means that anyone that asks to see you're ID will be able to see where you live.

#4- This card will contain most of you're personal information which should never be accessible all in one place. You're driving record, criminal record, medical records, whether you own a gun, you're insurance information. These are the pieceses of information that are already planned to be on it. One swipe of the card and anyone who swipes it can pretty much know you're entire life.

#5- Biometric data will be required. It will start with either a fingerprint or retinal scan. This is to ensure "our safety". The card, since no one is talking about ESPECIALLY THE MEDIA, will make it very easy to assimilate us to the idea of being tracked at all times since it will be the law that we must carry the card at all times (sounds like the old Nazi times "papers please?".

#6- Eventually we will probably not be able to buy or sell without it. Our credit information will probably be linked. I'm sure that this well help incorporate us into the global market and One world order.

#7- The card will be complimentary to the cards that are either already being used in MX and Canada. The system may be interchangeable within the next five years. This will ensure the implementation of a North American Union.

#8- Why is Ron Paul the only presidential candidate that has made a beef about this? He was laughed at in a debate when he tried to warn the public about it! It's no surprise that there is virtually a media black out of Ron Paul. This is why my hsuband and I support Ron Paul.

Please pass this info to you're friends. Even if you're state has overturned this legislation, the Federal government will still make it mandatory for its citizens.

In a nutshell, I believe that this will either be the Mark of the Beast, or lead us down the road towards it. Do you wonder why no one is really talking about it when the first effective date is only a months away?

More information can be found here:

http://www.dhs.gov/xprevprot/laws/gc_1172767635686.shtm
www.ncsl.org/standcomm/sctran/realidsummary05.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
*** http://www.unrealid.com/




FurGodWurLivin -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (3/27/2008 4:22:00 PM)

If what you are insiniuating is that the Real ID is going to become the Mark of the Beast, relax. The only people who will have the mark are the people that (A) want it and (B) are willing to worship a demon/idol/antichrist to get it. So admittedly, I don't like the idea of the Real ID because it passively invades my privacy... but it is not the mark.

Adam




David-West -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (3/31/2008 2:40:33 AM)

Except that, like the original poster said, you can refuse this. Your rights will just be severely limited if you choose to do so. Satan is the father of lies, you don't think he's going to try to trick people with some cartoonishly evil scheme, do you? They aren't going to ask people, "Hey, who wants to worship Satan and eat babies," before stamping "666" and a pentagram on their hands. The mark of the beast needs to be subtle for people to fall for it on a wide spread scale. People need to think it's for their own good.

And even if it isn't the mark of the beast, it could very well be a precursor too it and open the way for the REAL mark.




FurGodWurLivin -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (3/31/2008 4:03:06 AM)

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Except that, like the original poster said, you can refuse this. Your rights will just be severely limited if you choose to do so. Satan is the father of lies, you don't think he's going to try to trick people with some cartoonishly evil scheme, do you? They aren't going to ask people, "Hey, who wants to worship Satan and eat babies," before stamping "666" and a pentagram on their hands. The mark of the beast needs to be subtle for people to fall for it on a wide spread scale. People need to think it's for their own good.

And even if it isn't the mark of the beast, it could very well be a precursor too it and open the way for the REAL mark.
I will not debate your last sentenc because I believe that the mark will use some of the same technology. But let's talk about the rest of it.

I agree that Satan won't resort to "cartoony" tactics, but I think you way over-estimate the "intellecutalism" of the human race. The fact is that if come to the point of making a decision about the mark, you are either taking it or dying. How many law abiding people will hear that it is the law to go to City Hall and get this tattoo so they can buy or sell stuff, and then do it because it is the law? Let me put it another way... if you did not know that the mark was coming, and you were told that if you expected to be able to buy or sell anything at all because of the "subversive, anarchist factions" within society that need to eliminated... would you put much more thought into it? "Pledge allegiance to our beloved ruler, and then step into the booth... this will all be over in a few minutes..." It is amazing what seems like a good idea when it is drenched in patriotism. The mark does not need to subtle, it just needs to look like a solution to a problem.

As for the Real ID, this is nowhere near that kind of scale. The Real ID, first of all, is only being offered in a select few nations. Secondly, it will not affect your economic ability except that you will not be able to board a plane. Feel free to drive and buy gas, but you aren't getting on an airplane without it. Thirdly, people were throwing the same fit about Passports. Anyone who has looked at the developement of Christian Doctrine over the last thirty years will remember Christians in the 70's telling others to burn their passports because it showed acceptance of the Beast's System...a dressed up version of "The Man" if you will. Fourthly, the biometrics are no more invasive than any other form of ID because the DMV will have your fingerprints on file if you have a recent driver's liscence. Fifthly, there is no real evidence that any of your economic data (such as your credit score, credit card number, or bank account number) will actually be placed on the card.

Lets avoid being paranoid, shall we? And if what you are worried about is having a trackable card, there is a simple solution. When the government is taken over by the Antichrist, take your Real ID card, and chuck it as far as you can (preferrably into a river of some kind) and walk away. Poof, you are invisible to "the man"

I think that the mark will probably use some semblance of this kind of technology, but it will be very obvious to the church what it is. Just like the actual Day of the Lord, it will only be a surprise to those that aren't looking for it. And yes, I do think it will involve actual worship of the antichrist to get one.

Adam




Biblefreak -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (3/31/2008 9:57:05 AM)

But, there are those who think that people won't be able to buy anything without the mark or number. If that's the case and people need this card to continue their everyday life. Then it's worth keeping an eye on.




Yeshuashme -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (3/31/2008 3:58:56 PM)

What must come to pass, MUST COME TO PAST ........

At best all anyone can do is postpone or delay it.....

Look up Your Redeption is Nigh !!!!


Jesus.




1love1God1way -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (3/31/2008 9:22:07 PM)

“If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.” Revelation 14:9,10

“He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Revelation 13:16-17

This doesn't sound like anyone is being forced, and it doesn't sound like there is a requirement to worship anybody or anything. It doesn't sound like a mark on the hand or forehead either.

Not the Mark of the Beast.




LoyalGypsy -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (4/9/2008 4:03:49 PM)

quote:

#1- As citizens we have the right to reject the card (just as states that have passed legislation against it), however, if you reject the card for ANY reason, you will not be allowed: in a federal building, on a commercial airline or train, you will be unable to have a federally insured bank account, and you will not be able to travel outside of the country, and you will not be able to be employed without it. (As an employer, I will not be able to hire anyone without it). If you refuse to get the ID card, you will be issued a card that says it is not compliant.



Greetings,


I do not believe that is what the Bible alludes to; only by reason we have the choice to refuse, and personally I never use those anyway!

If they will not allow you to enter a federal building, then you a have right not to response to subpoenas nor be subpoenaed

As far as employment, I have made a leap of faith or a change, and over the past 2 years unemployed while in school, for some reason by the Lords blessing alone, we are virtually 3 months from being debt free… on half the income,
Whereby, if I was employed we would still be in over our heads
I took the Lord at His word.

Also

I believe “the mark” the Bible is calling, is when the restrainer or the body of Christ is taken out of the earth, is when there is no longer that choice to refuse, because there is no longer a choice!… and any refusal… is death.

This is scripturally correct… for if there is no life giving body… in the earth, there is only death.


14 Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me." 15 And the Lord said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the Lord set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.

The mark ….Cain’s time is on Gods timetable….and God isn’t anyone![;)]



LG




tracydolls -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (4/9/2008 7:44:32 PM)

Look up "verichip'



The insertion of the "verichip" is going in people now, people are voluntering for it, as have the mexican gov't people, and the American gov't is trying to think of ways to insert in prisoners and chronically sick(katrina being the excuse),

2 factories in us make them now, mn where I live and florida (?)

The Id cards are a distraction.




LoyalGypsy -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (4/9/2008 9:53:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

Look up "verichip'



The insertion of the "verichip" is going in people now, people are volunteering for it, as have the Mexican gov't people, and the American gov't is trying to think of ways to insert in prisoners and chronically sick(katrina being the excuse),

2 factories in us make them now, mn where I live and florida (?)

The Id cards are a distraction.



Greetings

Here’s the real scoop!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasound_Identification

Ultrasound Identification
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Ultrasound Identification is a Real Time Locating System (RTLS) or Indoor Positioning System (IPS) technology used to automatically track and identify the location of objects in real time using simple, inexpensive nodes (badges/tags) attached to or embedded in objects and devices, which then transmit an ultrasound signal to communicate their location to microphone sensors.

Ultrasound-based IPS is considered a superior alternative to Radio-frequency identification (RFID) in complex indoor environments (such as hospitals), where radio waves may reflect off of metallic or ceramic objects, thereby compromising the positioning accuracy, or otherwise interfering with sensitive medical equipment.[1] Because ultrasound signals have short wavelengths, they are confined to more precise locations.

Can you see why the poster said ….“you will not be allowed: in a federal building, on a commercial airline or train,

quote:

and the American gov't is trying to think of ways to insert in prisoners and chronically sick(Katrina being the excuse),


Just another test dummy.....
They have been testing RF implants on our pets for a number of years, thus the increase in dog attacks…etc, but they won’t tell us that!!!





With the forcing of HDTV which it looks like it operates in the same HF range in everyone’s homes.... will make a voice tracking network with out any gaps ...virtually in the bag.

And the funny thing is ....we are paying for it with the luxury of all those channels and HD extras ….at discounted prices!!
!! [:(]





LG




tracydolls -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (4/9/2008 10:32:37 PM)

Loyal, I never thought about the HDTV's!!!!!!

I found this in your link also.


VeriChip is the first Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved human-implantable radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip.


In the beginning of 2007, Verichip Corporation created Xmark, its corporate identity for healthcare products. Xmark incorporates the Hugs and the Halo system of infant protection; the RoamAlert system of wandering protection; the MyCall emergency response system; and the Assetrac asset tracking system.




LoyalGypsy -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (4/10/2008 11:57:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

Loyal, I never thought about the HDTV's!!!!!!

I found this in your link also.


VeriChip is the first Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved human-implantable radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip.


In the beginning of 2007, Verichip Corporation created Xmark, its corporate identity for healthcare products. Xmark incorporates the Hugs and the Halo system of infant protection; the RoamAlert system of wandering protection; the MyCall emergency response system; and the Assetrac asset tracking system.



Greetings,

Here is a good paper on the subject, LINK


LG




JordanW -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (5/3/2008 4:20:36 AM)

Whatever this is I believe that it is totally wrong and definitely an invasion of privacy.




tsnody2001 -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (5/3/2008 12:58:01 PM)

I am from Indiana and I have one of these ID cards, I think. I did not know about any of the possible implications of having such a card until a couple weeks after I got one. What should I do, and should I be concerned?




1love1God1way -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (5/3/2008 5:31:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tsnody2001

I am from Indiana and I have one of these ID cards, I think. I did not know about any of the possible implications of having such a card until a couple weeks after I got one. What should I do, and should I be concerned?


You're alright.




LoyalGypsy -> RE: The Real ID ACT / National ID CARD (5/4/2008 8:23:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tsnody2001

I am from Indiana and I have one of these ID cards, I think. I did not know about any of the possible implications of having such a card until a couple weeks after I got one. What should I do, and should I be concerned?



When was the last time you ever has your name or address etc spelled correctly the first time from any agency??

It was recently brought to my attention that the address on my driver’s license was different than the one I presented as my address no some certain paperwork,

That was because the clown at motor vehicles instead of using the # sign followed by my home number... they used a 3 instead.

I didn’t notice it….
And they couldn’t find me.......

So I guess we were even!

Trust me, you have nothing to worry about!! [:D]




LG




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