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Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 12:34:56 AM
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ljmac
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Babies are punishment for bad behavior. Such is the wisdom or the new Lincoln, the new MLK, the new JFK, BHO himself.
When speaking at a Pennsylvania campaign stop, BHO was asked about AIDS and wound up saying, “...If they (his daughters) make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.” That's the first time I've ever heard someone refer to their grandchild as punishment for sexual sin. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised since it came from a grandson who paraded his grandmother's alleged racial prejudices before the world to make himself look good.
Almost thirty years ago some people proposed that AIDS is the punishment for sexual sin. They were widely ridiculed. Now, thanks to the new Lincoln we know that it's not AIDS that's punishment for sexual sin, but a baby! Cracked pots come in all colors.
What does this brilliant thinker believe is punishment for homosexual sex?
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 4:02:33 AM
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Babies are punishment for bad behavior. Such is the wisdom or the new Lincoln, the new MLK, the new JFK, BHO himself.
When speaking at a Pennsylvania campaign stop, BHO was asked about AIDS and wound up saying, “...If they (his daughters) make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.” That's the first time I've ever heard someone refer to their grandchild as punishment for sexual sin. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised since it came from a grandson who paraded his grandmother's alleged racial prejudices before the world to make himself look good.
Almost thirty years ago some people proposed that AIDS is the punishment for sexual sin. They were widely ridiculed. Now, thanks to the new Lincoln we know that it's not AIDS that's punishment for sexual sin, but a baby! Cracked pots come in all colors.
What does this brilliant thinker believe is punishment for homosexual sex?
You forgot to mention he supports sucking the brains out of babies.
- Julius
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 4:07:42 AM
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So reminiscent of Lincoln!..... GAW!! As if his grand children wouldn't have a grand father who makes at least $99000 per year. Such a rail splitter...
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Babies are punishment for bad behavior. Such is the wisdom or the new Lincoln, the new MLK, the new JFK, BHO himself.
When speaking at a Pennsylvania campaign stop, BHO was asked about AIDS and wound up saying, “...If they (his daughters) make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.” That's the first time I've ever heard someone refer to their grandchild as punishment for sexual sin. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised since it came from a grandson who paraded his grandmother's alleged racial prejudices before the world to make himself look good.
Almost thirty years ago some people proposed that AIDS is the punishment for sexual sin. They were widely ridiculed. Now, thanks to the new Lincoln we know that it's not AIDS that's punishment for sexual sin, but a baby! Cracked pots come in all colors.
What does this brilliant thinker believe is punishment for homosexual sex?
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 7:29:07 AM
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Whatever happened to dealing with the mistakes and learning from it. Especially a child for goodness sakes.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 9:48:11 AM
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“...If they (his daughters) make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.”
Man this guy cares for people. He cares so much that he considers "some of them" disposable.
I think we know that for him "adoption" is not even in the picture.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 10:30:05 AM
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Sadly this sentiment is shared by many in this country and they don't understand why it upsets some of us. You have to remember that this is a man that voted against protecting babies that survived an abortion.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 2:30:07 PM
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You have to remember that this is a man that voted against protecting babies that survived an abortion.
You mean he is of the belief,"kill them now or kill them later""kill them before or after", doesn't matter when just do it if you want to.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 5:42:06 PM
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You have to remember that this is a man that voted against protecting babies that survived an abortion.
You mean he is of the belief,"kill them now or kill them later""kill them before or after", doesn't matter when just do it if you want to.
He voted against the Illinois version of the Born Alive Infant Protection act, which tries to force medical staff to treat babies that survive abortion as real patients. It may be even correct to say that he tried to stop the legislation.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 6:30:29 PM
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heck, that's downright humane compared to what he's willing to subject babies who survive abortions to. this man believes in the inalienable right to life, but only for a few. the unborn, the newly born, and the 'incapable' are not included in the American Dream as Obama sees it. Now THAT'S audacity.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 9:30:53 PM
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For anyone who cares, he was referring to teaching about contraceptives in sex education to prevent HIV, not abortion.
"When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/04/i-dont-want-them-punished-with-baby.html
He did talk about abortion as well, but it was later in the same speech.
Not that this is going to change anyone's mind, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 11:00:05 PM
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Babies are punishment for bad behavior. Such is the wisdom or the new Lincoln, the new MLK, the new JFK, BHO himself.
Congrats, LJ! He's finally come around to the conservative style of thinking! Pregnancy is clearly the consequence of sin, and that is the #1 reason that abortion should be illegal- sinners should get what they deserve. Secondary is stuff like human life.
The rationale behind abstinence education is one that kids shouldn't have sex, and if they do, God punishes them with STDs or even worse- a baby!!!
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You forgot to mention he supports sucking the brains out of babies.
- Julius
Hear he's on trial for murder for kidnapping and killing a baby.
Silly folks in San Fran- they think baby brains is a delicacy.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 11:04:21 PM
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heck, that's downright humane compared to what he's willing to subject babies who survive abortions to. this man believes in the inalienable right to life, but only for a few. the unborn, the newly born, and the 'incapable' are not included in the American Dream as Obama sees it. Now THAT'S audacity.
Uh, last I checked, Obama voted against cutting funding for the WIC program. What has John McCain done for improving the lives of the most disadvantaged infants and children recently?
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 11:17:39 PM
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What good is WIC to dead babies? Those babies are citizens and should have the same protections as you and I right?
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/2/2008 11:23:33 PM
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What good is WIC to dead babies? Those babies are citizens and should have the same protections as you and I right?
Why be born to a mother who can't feed you? If you're aborted, at least you get to die warm and maybe a little better fed.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 12:20:18 AM
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ljmac
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heck, that's downright humane compared to what he's willing to subject babies who survive abortions to. this man believes in the inalienable right to life, but only for a few. the unborn, the newly born, and the 'incapable' are not included in the American Dream as Obama sees it. Now THAT'S audacity.
Uh, last I checked, Obama voted against cutting funding for the WIC program. What has John McCain done for improving the lives of the most disadvantaged infants and children recently?
Uh, last I checked, Obama is against cutting WIC but for cutting the throats of unborn children. What a guy!
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 10:08:59 AM
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Uh, last I checked, Obama is against cutting WIC but for cutting the throats of unborn children. What a guy!
Yeah. He's a really bad person. The DA's investigating him for infanticide.
I know you can have an odd sense of humor, lj, but let's get back to the subject at hand:
Obama wasn't talking about abortion, he was talking about birth control. He assumed that his daughter wasn't going to have an abortion if she got pregnant; that she was going to carry the baby to term.
Apparently, he's not quite as pro-abortion as you think he is- or at the very least- there is less of a link between moral values at home and political rhetoric than you think.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 10:22:50 AM
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Well Henny said in above post, he heard the speech, and abortion was mentioned, so kind of ties it togather. Yes he is no.1 ranked in voting for abortion in the Senate. He is very much an abortion supporter.
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Uh, last I checked, Obama is against cutting WIC but for cutting the throats of unborn children. What a guy!
Yeah. He's a really bad person. The DA's investigating him for infanticide.
I know you can have an odd sense of humor, lj, but let's get back to the subject at hand:
Obama wasn't talking about abortion, he was talking about birth control. He assumed that his daughter wasn't going to have an abortion if she got pregnant; that she was going to carry the baby to term.
Apparently, he's not quite as pro-abortion as you think he is- or at the very least- there is less of a link between moral values at home and political rhetoric than you think.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 11:46:30 AM
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Well Henny said in above post, he heard the speech, and abortion was mentioned, so kind of ties it togather. Yes he is no.1 ranked in voting for abortion in the Senate. He is very much an abortion supporter.
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Uh, last I checked, Obama is against cutting WIC but for cutting the throats of unborn children. What a guy!
Yeah. He's a really bad person. The DA's investigating him for infanticide.
I know you can have an odd sense of humor, lj, but let's get back to the subject at hand:
Obama wasn't talking about abortion, he was talking about birth control. He assumed that his daughter wasn't going to have an abortion if she got pregnant; that she was going to carry the baby to term.
Apparently, he's not quite as pro-abortion as you think he is- or at the very least- there is less of a link between moral values at home and political rhetoric than you think.
I think there was a question about it from the audience much later. Blessed is correct that he wasn't referring to abortion in reference to his daughter.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 11:54:19 AM
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Well I thought you said he mentioned it in his speech later on. Now we all know his stance on abortion, it is what it is, there is no sugar-coating it. In fairness to Bo, I am sure he would not want anyone to do that. He said where he stands, and is the top voter on this issue, and, in fairness to Bo, if we agree or not with his position, it is his right, to say in truth his position on this matter , without us twisting his views.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 12:35:03 PM
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Uh, last I checked, Obama is against cutting WIC but for cutting the throats of unborn children. What a guy!
Yeah. He's a really bad person. The DA's investigating him for infanticide.
I know you can have an odd sense of humor, lj, but let's get back to the subject at hand:
Obama wasn't talking about abortion, he was talking about birth control. He assumed that his daughter wasn't going to have an abortion if she got pregnant; that she was going to carry the baby to term.
Apparently, he's not quite as pro-abortion as you think he is- or at the very least- there is less of a link between moral values at home and political rhetoric than you think.
I didn't bring up abortion. Others did.
I see nothing about "carry(ing) the baby to term" in his statement. I do see that he referred to babies as "punishment." Think about that. The mere existence of one human being is deemed punishment for another. You live, therefore I'm punished. What a bizarre view of life.
From a legislative perspective, how could one be more pro-abortion than Obama? He's never met an abortion so mean, so nasty, so brutal, that he didn't want to make it legal.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 1:01:33 PM
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Well WIC is a good thing, a really good thing, of all programs to cut, I hope not that one. That is a different issue than abortion, and especially partial birth abortion. How could anyone do that? seriously? Is anyone fimilar how this procedure is done? I think BO should have to watch one. I heard a quote that went something like this. " Funny those who are pro-choice, are already born." Maybe not excactly the quote, but it makes sense.
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Uh, last I checked, Obama is against cutting WIC but for cutting the throats of unborn children. What a guy!
Yeah. He's a really bad person. The DA's investigating him for infanticide.
I know you can have an odd sense of humor, lj, but let's get back to the subject at hand:
Obama wasn't talking about abortion, he was talking about birth control. He assumed that his daughter wasn't going to have an abortion if she got pregnant; that she was going to carry the baby to term.
Apparently, he's not quite as pro-abortion as you think he is- or at the very least- there is less of a link between moral values at home and political rhetoric than you think.
I didn't bring up abortion. Others did.
I see nothing about "carry(ing) the baby to term" in his statement. I do see that he referred to babies as "punishment." Think about that. The mere existence of one human being is deemed punishment for another. You live, therefore I'm punished. What a bizarre view of life.
From a legislative perspective, how could one be more pro-abortion than Obama? He's never met an abortion so mean, so nasty, so brutal, that he didn't want to make it legal.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 2:23:01 PM
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Well WIC is a good thing, a really good thing, of all programs to cut, I hope not that one. That is a different issue than abortion, and especially partial birth abortion. How could anyone do that? seriously? Is anyone fimilar how this procedure is done? I think BO should have to watch one. I heard a quote that went something like this. " Funny those who are pro-choice, are already born." Maybe not excactly the quote, but it makes sense.
A pregnancy with complications can be a very frightening thing. For example, if a baby has hydrocephalus, there sometimes may be no alternative to partial-birth abortion for anyone to walk away alive.
Oftentimes, a partial-birth-abortion is necessary to save the mother's life or prevent severe damage to the mother's long-term health.
I don't think any Democrat would like to see more partial-birth abortions- or any abortions for the matter. The reason that so many Democrats voted against the bill was because they were afraid it was unconstitutional. A few years before the PBA ban, the Supreme Court ruled Nebraska's ban unconstitutional because it didn't provide an exemption for the health of the mother. Democrats wanted to vote for a bill that would have provided an exemption for the mother's long-term health, which would have let the bill pass constitutional muster. Instead of passing a law that would actually help prevent this form of abortion, Congress decided to turn this into a political issue, and the powers that be decided to bring a bill that only exempted the mother's life to the floor.
Congress could have done the right thing by just passing a clean bill quickly and easily. Instead, it had to worry about the rare woman or two who would try and have this procedure to protect her long term health. As a result, we've been dragged through the whole legal process of finding out whether it's constitutional to not to prevent the two or three women every year who need the procedure for health reasons from having them, in addition to the 1000 or so who do so for other reasons.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 2:34:01 PM
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you know that is the sad part of it. It seems the two or three, which I do not understand, because even if the baby is hydropalic, C-sections could be done, shunt in the brain. There is not that many conditions I could think of ( which I am no doctor) could harm the mom. I appreciate your kind reply though.  I am just wondering what is the greater evil on the abortion side, two or three, if proven? Or thousands and Thousands. Thanks again
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Well WIC is a good thing, a really good thing, of all programs to cut, I hope not that one. That is a different issue than abortion, and especially partial birth abortion. How could anyone do that? seriously? Is anyone fimilar how this procedure is done? I think BO should have to watch one. I heard a quote that went something like this. " Funny those who are pro-choice, are already born." Maybe not excactly the quote, but it makes sense.
A pregnancy with complications can be a very frightening thing. For example, if a baby has hydrocephalus, there sometimes may be no alternative to partial-birth abortion for anyone to walk away alive.
Oftentimes, a partial-birth-abortion is necessary to save the mother's life or prevent severe damage to the mother's long-term health.
I don't think any Democrat would like to see more partial-birth abortions- or any abortions for the matter. The reason that so many Democrats voted against the bill was because they were afraid it was unconstitutional. A few years before the PBA ban, the Supreme Court ruled Nebraska's ban unconstitutional because it didn't provide an exemption for the health of the mother. Democrats wanted to vote for a bill that would have provided an exemption for the mother's long-term health, which would have let the bill pass constitutional muster. Instead of passing a law that would actually help prevent this form of abortion, Congress decided to turn this into a political issue, and the powers that be decided to bring a bill that only exempted the mother's life to the floor.
Congress could have done the right thing by just passing a clean bill quickly and easily. Instead, it had to worry about the rare woman or two who would try and have this procedure to protect her long term health. As a result, we've been dragged through the whole legal process of finding out whether it's constitutional to not to prevent the two or three women every year who need the procedure for health reasons from having them, in addition to the 1000 or so who do so for other reasons.
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RE: Babies are Punishment - 4/3/2008 4:28:00 PM
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you know that is the sad part of it. It seems the two or three, which I do not understand, because even if the baby is hydropalic, C-sections could be done, shunt in the brain. There is not that many conditions I could think of ( which I am no doctor) could harm the mom. I appreciate your kind reply though. I am just wondering what is the greater evil on the abortion side, two or three, if proven? Or thousands and Thousands. Thanks again
The issue isn't the two or three. The issue is:
1.) Whether we pass a bill that passes constitutional muster and can go into effect immediately without any question of its validity.
OR
2.) Whether we pass a bill that gets caught up in lawyering for several years, potentially gets thrown out by the courts, and lets thousands of babies slip through the cracks in the process because of 2-3 abortions per year.
Democrats were ready to go for choice (1), but they didn't want to rubberstamp (2) (which passed, anyway.)
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