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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 10:03:53 AM
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Please define "sinless", SonInMe1.
Sinless is no sin. None. Perfection. Without fault or flaw...how else would you define sinless? I would think any other definition to be semanitcs.
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Show me....ONE...sinless christian.
Just one will do.
That's hardly the issue.
If we are capable of being sinless then certainly there would be many sinless christians out there we can point to and say..now there is the REAL christian and example of this sinless belief. It is 100% the issue.
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Sinlessness is indeed the goal of the Christian walk
No question and no doubt.
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If we become sinless then who needs repentence? Forgiveness? Sanctification?
That is one of the strangest remarks I've come across. We need repentance and forgiveness until we come to perfection.
Obviously this group of TRUE christians who do not sin would not need repentence, forgiveness or sanctification since they no longer sin. If one IS sinless then what do they have to repent of? Be sanctified from? Ask forgiveness for?
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Just perfect children of God.
Ok, if people are perfected when they are saved, please give me one example of the perfect christian. There aren't any in the bible and I don't know any. Maybe you'all do...?
Will any of you claim to be sinless?
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 10:14:06 AM
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If the question is are we capable of sin, the answer is yes. If the question is are we incapable of not sinning the answer is no. Through the power of the indwelling Spirit we can resist sin. Are we perfect? No. No one is perfect but God, but we are striving to be like Jesus.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 10:54:38 AM
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I would ask the question, are we SINless or SIGHTless?
Jesus dealt with this same question.
In John 9, following the healing of the man born blind, there arose quite a controversy. Lots of men 'knew' lots of differing things. These are Jesus' words:
"For judgment I came into this world, that whose who do not see may see; and that those who see may become blind."
Those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things, and said to Him, "We are not blind too, are we?"
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains."
These men were 'good' men. They knew the scriptures. They followed the scriptures. They knew wrong behavior. And they did not behave wrongly.
Yet Jesus had something very strong to say to them.
If we say we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 11:00:36 AM
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However, the topic/comments that seems to stir our emotions most is anyone attempting to point out that a Christian can stop sinning... live without sin... be perfect... be followers of Christ and go and sin no more... and etc.
My only question is... WHY?
I guess since I am one who feels strongly about this topic, I can give my two cents  .
I feel very strongly about this topic for two reasons:
1. We are told in the word of God that EVERYONE sins and that if we say we don't, we lie and the truth is not in us (1 John 1). Additionally, since anyone who is guilty of breaking any part of the law is guilty of breaking it all (James 2), then by definition we are all sinners. As sinners WARRING with a sinful nature (Romans 5 and 6), to attempt to act as if this nature does not exist literally denies the Word of God on the subject-at the least, unwise, at the most, potentially prideful and spiritually fatal.
2. A concentration on sin means we cannot concentrate on the cure-the Love of God. God's love is the only antidote to sin-period. If we are always trying to find a way to keep from sinning, we are not concentrating on learning how to love Him. AS we learn to love Him, sin natrually loses it's grip in our lives. Appropriating one sheds the other within us. That's the only way to have true victory over sin-period. If it were not so, we could all have lived peacefully under the Law. We could not then nor can we now.
That's why I feel strongly about the topic-not that it's not valid, it's just a matter of perspective-in focusing on sin, we seem to be focusing on the ailment instead of the cure!
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 12:54:23 PM
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Because folks that do not want to stop serving the flesh, want an excuse to continue with their status quo.
What a nasty judgmental comment! Would it ever occur to you that those who say, "I no longer sin," sound quite arrogant?
Philippians 2
3Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
John 8
7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Which of his followers cast the first stone?
James 2
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 1:00:00 PM
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Christ was capable of sin, but by the power of the Spirit choose not to sin.
That's debatable. Christ was/is fully God. Is God capable of sin?
If Christ was incapable of committing sin, He could not have been tempted.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/9/2008 1:07:14 PM
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Can you love Christ to such a point that your obedience outweighs sin?
Does God use a scale to judge believers at the end of this life?
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Most Christians throw their hands up and say there is no way. Even if you you are blind or deaf you can't stop sinning. Even if you are a living like a monk with no outside influences you can't stop. The mindset is why even try to do the impossible?
No, the mindset of a Christian is to let God have His perfect way. We, however, are aware of the fact that the race isn't over until we've endured to the end. In this life, we will fight the good fight.
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Why even spend time thinking about a concept that is beyond our reach. A majority believe that all that is said about being free from sin IS just a concept or goal but not something to get worked up about.
What is in fact scripturally sound, is the opposite of everything that I just said. To be free from sin is exactly what God expects and if it were not possible, the Word of God would simply be a pep talk about an impossible lifestyle that streamed from the imagination of God 2000 years ago.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/9/2008 5:50:45 PM
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Sinless is no sin. None. Perfection. Without fault or flaw...how else would you define sinless? Perfect, absolute sinlessness is achieved upon glorification. The (correct) definition of "sinless" in holiness doctrinal theology does NOT include faults, flaws, imperfections, frailties, weaknesses, etc because these are not willful, deliberate disobedience of known laws of God. They are the results of living physical lives in a material world that has been cursed since the Fall. Thus, we are sinless when we have been cleansed from our sinful natures, we are not willfully disobeying God at the present moment, and we do not intend to disobey Him in our next moment. This spiritual state of sinless perfection is only by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit working in our lives. I'm presently blessed by it and I'm confident millions of Believers around the world are as well!
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/9/2008 5:58:55 PM
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin (I John 3:9).
Why would God put such a thing in His word? He knows it is impossible to stop sinning, right?
Jesus did not sin. Was this because He had supernatural help? If so, then I would have to assume that He felt no pain while He was beaten and crucified due to the same supernatural help. Would this not be deceptive?
Oswald Chambers said: "God will not give us good habits, He will not give us character, He will not make us walk aright. We have to do all that ourselves, we have to work out the salvation God has worked in. If you hesitate when God tells you to do a thing, you endanger your standing in grace".
I had to read this several times. How does the Holy Spirit strengthen us to overcome ourselves? We know that He brings scripture to our remembrance. He helps us to think about the consequences of sin by making us feel conviction.
We have help but we also have a choice.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/9/2008 6:50:02 PM
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Oswald Chambers said: "God will not give us good habits, He will not give us character, He will not make us walk aright. We have to do all that ourselves, we have to work out the salvation God has worked in. If you hesitate when God tells you to do a thing, you endanger your standing in grace".
Sorry but I have to disagree with this statement. I can testify to the fact that God will remove the desire to commit strong sin and will convict us through our conscience to abate. He has accomplished this in my life to the point where a sinful habit would be there one day and gone the next; Philippians 1 6...he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 6:52:31 PM
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A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!!
How many people showed up for his funeral?
He shouldn't have died !!!
If the wages of sin are death... 
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 7:54:47 PM
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Because folks that do not want to stop serving the flesh, want an excuse to continue with their status quo.
What a nasty judgmental comment! Would it ever occur to you that those who say, "I no longer sin," sound quite arrogant?
I don't believe that I said "I no longer sin", I maintain that based on Scripture tells us that a Christian can live a life pleasing unto God, without spot or wrinkle, Holy and acceptable.
And folks that argue with the Scripture on this are just looking for an excuse to continue in thier sin instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to lead them into righteousness.
Sanctified (which all Christians should be)= the ability to not sin.
Sinless Perfection = one cannot sin (not possible here on earth)
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 10:54:13 PM
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However, the topic/comments that seems to stir our emotions most is anyone attempting to point out that a Christian can stop sinning... live without sin... be perfect... be followers of Christ and go and sin no more... and etc.
My only question is... WHY?
Because folks that do not want to stop serving the flesh, want an excuse to continue with their status quo.
Walker asks why our emotions are stirred and you pass judgment on why our emotions are stirred. You don't have a clue as to what is in our hearts.
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)
Because we cannot do everything that is required of us under the law, Jesus Christ became the perfect sacrifice fir our sins. He redeemed us with His blood. We do not take that lightly.
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,(Hebrews 12:1)
The race isn't over before we leave this life.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(1 John 2:1)
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/9/2008 11:04:20 PM
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin (I John 3:9).
Why would God put such a thing in His word? He knows it is impossible to stop sinning, right?
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (1 John 2:1)
He knows that He will finish the work He began in us and I am confident that He does what He plans to do.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/9/2008 11:17:10 PM
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A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!!
How many people showed up for his funeral?
I look at it this way, Jesus is our best example, but when we fail, and we all do, we also have mercy from Him. He is both our example, and mercy. We strive to be like Christ, but also seek forgiveness through Him whin we fail. Who can ever say that they are as pure in body mind and soul like Christ? Our sinful nature wars against the sprit, and will continue to do so until we die, or Christ returns. It’s impossible to stop sinning completely, but we can become more resistant to it. The temptation will never leave us though. Satan will always have something that is in us, to trip us over. I hate sin, for I can still feel it working in my flesh.
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RE: A CHRISTIAN STOPPED SINNING!!! - 4/10/2008 1:07:41 AM
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I am surprised by the plethora of opinions, and lack of scriptures. (More than one memorized verse at a time)
I have one question to ask...
1. What Did Jesus Do On The Cross?
Did he not come to set the captives free?
Free from what?
SIN!!!!
Destroy the works of the Devil?
What works?
SIN!!!!
John 8:31-36
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, {then} you are truly disciples of Mine;
and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, "You will become free'?"
Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
"So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
(NAU)
Rom 6:1-6
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have become united with {Him} in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be {in the likeness} of His resurrection,
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with {Him} in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;(NAU)
Rom 8:1-14
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God {did:} sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and {as an offering} for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able {to do so}
and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--
for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
(NAU)
1 Tim 5:20-22
Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful {of sinning.}
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of {His} chosen angels, to maintain these {principles} without bias, doing nothing in a {spirit of} partiality.
Do not lay hands upon anyone {too} hastily and thereby share {responsibility for} the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.
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I Jn 3:2-12
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
And everyone who has this hope {fixed} on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;
not as Cain, {who} was of the evil one and slew his brother. And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous.
(NAU)
It is quite difficult to disagree with scripture isn't it?
Just a thought
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/10/2008 1:33:15 AM
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Sinless is no sin. None. Perfection. Without fault or flaw...how else would you define sinless? Perfect, absolute sinlessness is achieved upon glorification. The (correct) definition of "sinless" in holiness doctrinal theology does NOT include faults, flaws, imperfections, frailties, weaknesses, etc because these are not willful, deliberate disobedience of known laws of God. They are the results of living physical lives in a material world that has been cursed since the Fall. Thus, we are sinless when we have been cleansed from our sinful natures, we are not willfully disobeying God at the present moment, and we do not intend to disobey Him in our next moment. This spiritual state of sinless perfection is only by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit working in our lives. I'm presently blessed by it and I'm confident millions of Believers around the world are as well!
Rom 8:30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
31What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?
How God sees us and how we really are are 2 different things, lucky for us.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/10/2008 2:42:55 AM
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Christians do not live a life of constant opposition to Christ. They walk in newness of life, but they aren't like Christ...yet.
1 John 3
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
In the meantime, we are apt to sin now and then. Does that mean our eternal life is taken away and we will suffer the wrath of God? How many sins lead to death?
1 John 5
16If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/10/2008 8:25:09 AM
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Walker, I would say people say they do not sin (and yes of course being free of sin is the goal) because they have an incomplete definition of sin. Sin is anything that misses the mark or in any way falls short of God's will and glory.
I base that on the definitions of the primary Hebrew and Greek words translated as sin and the pre-KJV definition of the word sin. It also agrees with this: For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/10/2008 11:14:53 AM
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I'm finding myself posting very little in these threads lately, however I will add a little nugget. I believe the greek word for "commit" in I John means to "willfully and habitaully practice sin." Practicing sin is like a doctor who is a practicing physician. He or she does what they do in their specialty area in order to become more proficient at what he or she does.
I Jn 3:2-12
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
And everyone who has this hope {fixed} on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;
This is not the supposed to be the case with believers because as Ammah has pointed out, we have been set free from the sin bondage. However, do we still miss up? Yes we do. I asked a person (who has BTW posted on this thread) if they had stopped messing up since being saved or since they've arrived at the understanding that we could walk free and never sin. I waited for a response (yes or no) because I promised them I would call them a big fat Liar if the responded in the affirmative. I extend this out to anyone else who would dare answer this in the affirmative. We are to "practice righteousness."
The truth is Peter who was saved before the cross because he put his trust in Yahshua messed up plenty of times before and even after the resurrection. Paul rebuked him for hypocrisy in Galations. Jesus told a man and a woman to "go and sin no more." This tells me that it was possible to "walk before God and be perfect" otherwise He would not have stated such.
The word "perfect" means "mature, of full age."
When you are perfect, you know what is right and wrong, your senses are trained to discern right and wrong, you rightly divide God's word, etc.
Thank God for His grace, love and mercy, whereas if I do sin, if I confess my sin, He is faithful and just to forgive me of my sin and cleanse me from all my unrighteousness.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/10/2008 11:33:25 AM
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It is quite difficult to disagree with scripture isn't it?
Just a thought
Ammah
Not really, Ammah, because verses of scripture can be used out of context to prove almost any point that we want to prove. I don't quote specific scripture all the time because "the sum of Thy word is truth" and that means it is all woven together to bring me to right understandings. It is His workmanship in me to give me His mind, His heart and His ways.
To be quoting scripture to substantiate what you are saying is sometimes appropriate but not always needful or beneficial. It's not what scripture you quote that will reveal truth to me. He does that---and it goes WAY beyond one verse.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/10/2008 2:12:48 PM
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blue1914
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It is quite difficult to disagree with scripture isn't it?
Just a thought
Ammah
Not really, Ammah, because verses of scripture can be used out of context to prove almost any point that we want to prove. I don't quote specific scripture all the time because "the sum of Thy word is truth" and that means it is all woven together to bring me to right understandings. It is His workmanship in me to give me His mind, His heart and His ways.
To be quoting scripture to substantiate what you are saying is sometimes appropriate but not always needful or beneficial. It's not what scripture you quote that will reveal truth to me. He does that---and it goes WAY beyond one verse.
Liveloved, it's like you pulled the words right out of my mouth! This is exactly why I abhor "proof-texting"-it seems like we get caught up in a lot of "proof(ing)" and then find the "text" that wraps around our preconceived notion of what the Word of God says on a subject.
For those who like to engage in the practice of prooftexting, may I recommend to you take the advise of those who are high proponents of this practice and take every verse in CONTEXT. 1 John 3 looks one way unless you look at 1 John 1 and 2 before it. Likewise, Romans 6 tells one story unless you read Romans 5 before it. In the balance, the WHOLE of Scripture is truth-God's NATURE is revealed in Scripture. Taking one or two aspects of that nature and evolving a theology around it is an INCOMPLETE picture. Would you like someone to form a complete opinion of you around how you acted one time when someone cut you off in traffic? No, to truly know you, one would need to see you in good AND bad situations and on the BALANCE learn who you are.
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RE: Sinless in Seattle? - 4/10/2008 5:33:43 PM
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Walker311
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ORIGINAL: Liveloved
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It is quite difficult to disagree with scripture isn't it?
Just a thought
Ammah
Not really, Ammah, because verses of scripture can be used out of context to prove almost any point that we want to prove. I don't quote specific scripture all the time because "the sum of Thy word is truth" and that means it is all woven together to bring me to right understandings. It is His workmanship in me to give me His mind, His heart and His ways.
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