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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 4/30/2008 8:09:04 PM
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So their denial is ok, but one of the holocaust isn't? Talk about your double-standards...
What are you talking about?
Whatever some 1st century Jews said about Jesus is irrelevant to the historical reality of the holocaust.
I think he is talking about the denial by the Jewish people that Jesus is the Messiah but like you said it's irrelevant. The only problem with that comparison is that Jews don't deny Jesus existed whereas holocaust naysayers say that tragedy was media fabrication.
Actually it's worse, they deny who Jesus is... In the long run a person is better off denying the holocaust...
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 4/30/2008 11:13:30 PM
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Actually it's worse, they deny who Jesus is... In the long run a person is better off denying the holocaust...
All unbelievers deny who Jesus is; that of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the veracity of the holocaust.
As believers we should be concerned with defending the truth, especially when it has to do with the deaths of 6 million innocent people.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 4/30/2008 11:15:59 PM
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I just think it's ironic that the JDL will sue people for denying something given what they would deny... That's all, no biggie... The Jews of today still deny Jesus(right?) and if they could wouldn't they attempt to have him put to death for his great sin?
I don't think any Jews alive today even enforce OT laws, and not all the Jews during the time of Christ wanted Him put to death - so no.
None of this of course has anything to do with the reality of the holocaust.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 4/30/2008 11:29:40 PM
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I just think it's ironic that the JDL will sue people for denying something given what they would deny... That's all, no biggie... The Jews of today still deny Jesus(right?) and if they could wouldn't they attempt to have him put to death for his great sin?
I don't think any Jews alive today even enforce OT laws, and not all the Jews during the time of Christ wanted Him put to death - so no.
None of this of course has anything to do with the reality of the holocaust.
I guess the holocaust in this country regarding the unborn clouds my vision... The one pile of dead bodies is so much bigger... Hard to get all worked up over 6 million when you are trying to look over 40,000,000 and counting... And we can't blame the Nazis... We are the country of life, liberty and the... ya right...
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 4/30/2008 11:34:28 PM
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I guess the holocaust in this country regarding the unborn clouds my vision... The one pile of dead bodies is so much bigger... Hard to get all worked up over 6 million when you are trying to look over 40,000,000 and counting... And we can't blame the Nazis... We are the country of life, liberty and the... ya right...
I have no problem calling abortion the American holocaust; but that does nothing in my mind to diminish the killing of 6 million Jews; they are equally abhorent.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/1/2008 4:48:40 AM
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I just think it's ironic that the JDL will sue people for denying something given what they would deny... That's all, no biggie... The Jews of today still deny Jesus(right?) and if they could wouldn't they attempt to have him put to death for his great sin?
I don't think any Jews alive today even enforce OT laws, and not all the Jews during the time of Christ wanted Him put to death - so no.
None of this of course has anything to do with the reality of the holocaust.
I guess the holocaust in this country regarding the unborn clouds my vision... The one pile of dead bodies is so much bigger... Hard to get all worked up over 6 million when you are trying to look over 40,000,000 and counting... And we can't blame the Nazis... We are the country of life, liberty and the... ya right...
John
So the worth of a human life depends on how many people the person is killed with? Even the loss of a single life is a tragedy!!!!
Maybe nuking the world would make us all worth more in God's eyes! That would be 6.5 Billion and since we are just all about the numbers.... 
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/1/2008 4:56:22 AM
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Actually it's worse, they deny who Jesus is... In the long run a person is better off denying the holocaust...
But not for a CHRISTIAN person, because "whatever you did for one these least brothers of mine, you did it for me." Matthew 25:40
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/1/2008 10:05:45 AM
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I just think it's ironic that the JDL will sue people for denying something given what they would deny... That's all, no biggie... The Jews of today still deny Jesus(right?) and if they could wouldn't they attempt to have him put to death for his great sin?
I don't think any Jews alive today even enforce OT laws, and not all the Jews during the time of Christ wanted Him put to death - so no.
None of this of course has anything to do with the reality of the holocaust.
I guess the holocaust in this country regarding the unborn clouds my vision... The one pile of dead bodies is so much bigger... Hard to get all worked up over 6 million when you are trying to look over 40,000,000 and counting... And we can't blame the Nazis... We are the country of life, liberty and the... ya right...
John
I will agree with you on one thing, your vision is absolutely clouded. The idea that someone would not get "worked up" about the murder of 6,000,000 people no matter who they were is something beyond comprehension to me; that this would be presented in the name of Christ leaves me feeling sick inside. Just as sick as I feel when I think about the 40,000 million babies who are also murdered. So how many million babies needed to be murdered before you got "worked up"?
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/1/2008 10:53:10 AM
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We are straying quite off topic. Can we get back to this case please?
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/1/2008 4:22:55 PM
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Union defends 'anti-Christian' teacher
Allie Martin - OneNewsNow - 5/1/2008 11:00:00 AM
A federal judge has allowed the California Teachers Association to become involved in a case that accuses a high school history teacher of making anti-Christian remarks during class time. The judge allowed the teacher's union to defend the Capistrano School District and high school history teacher, Dr. James Corbett. The school and the teacher are being sued by Chad Farnan, a student in Dr. Corbett's Advanced Placement European history class.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/1/2008 5:41:21 PM
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Union defends 'anti-Christian' teacher
Allie Martin - OneNewsNow - 5/1/2008 11:00:00 AM
A federal judge has allowed the California Teachers Association to become involved in a case that accuses a high school history teacher of making anti-Christian remarks during class time. The judge allowed the teacher's union to defend the Capistrano School District and high school history teacher, Dr. James Corbett. The school and the teacher are being sued by Chad Farnan, a student in Dr. Corbett's Advanced Placement European history class.
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Boy - they are really behind updating pacer. Nothing related to the motion hearing (on the 28th) or the judges order is posted.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/1/2008 5:44:56 PM
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I visit a couple of those compilation type of news sites. Both Christian.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/7/2008 10:14:36 AM
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Update - the motion hearing order has finally been posted. The motion, which was granted, was to allow the teachers union to intervene in the case. The plaintiff's achilles heel here was their own plea for relief:
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As noted above, the injunctive relief sought is specifically targeted not just to Corbett, but to all “Defendants, their agents, servants, employees, officials, or any other person acting in concert with them.” (FAC, p. 11.) This indisputably involves other teachers as affected employees within the District, and therefore involves the Unions’ members. - source: Motion Hearing Minutes page 4
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/7/2008 10:43:40 AM
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Update - the motion hearing order has finally been posted. The motion, which was granted, was to allow the teachers union to intervene in the case.
Exactly as I called it back in post # 82.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/7/2008 10:47:07 AM
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Update - the motion hearing order has finally been posted. The motion, which was granted, was to allow the teachers union to intervene in the case. The plaintiff's achilles heel here was their own plea for relief:
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As noted above, the injunctive relief sought is specifically targeted not just to Corbett, but to all “Defendants, their agents, servants, employees, officials, or any other person acting in concert with them.” (FAC, p. 11.) This indisputably involves other teachers as affected employees within the District, and therefore involves the Unions’ members. - source: Motion Hearing Minutes page 4
So much for just being between the student and the one teacher. I think this is getting way out of hand. Wait 'til this kid gets to college if he thinks he's heard anti-Christian remarks.
He better go to law school. It'll save him loads on lawyers!
Or maybe he can turn the other cheek and rejoice for being persecuted for Jesus' sake. In other words, get over it! There are millions of people in the world that anti-God or anti-Christian. It's their own choice if they don't want to see both sides of the coin.
This can only happen in the OC. Maybe this can be covered in the TV show. It's already got a drama queen.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/7/2008 10:51:44 AM
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Update - the motion hearing order has finally been posted. The motion, which was granted, was to allow the teachers union to intervene in the case. The plaintiff's achilles heel here was their own plea for relief:
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As noted above, the injunctive relief sought is specifically targeted not just to Corbett, but to all “Defendants, their agents, servants, employees, officials, or any other person acting in concert with them.” (FAC, p. 11.) This indisputably involves other teachers as affected employees within the District, and therefore involves the Unions’ members. - source: Motion Hearing Minutes page 4
So much for just being between the student and the one teacher. I think this is getting way out of hand. Wait 'til this kid gets to college if he thinks he's heard anti-Christian remarks.
He better go to law school. It'll save him loads on lawyers!
Or maybe he can turn the other cheek and rejoice for being persecuted for Jesus' sake. In other words, get over it! There are millions of people in the world that anti-God or anti-Christian. It's their own choice if they don't want to see both sides of the coin.
This can only happen in the OC. Maybe this can be covered in the TV show. It's already got a drama queen.
Although I agree he will be subject to much greater "freedom of thought" in college, that distinction is exactly what needs to be highlighted. High school students are a far more captive audience than college students and their teachers carry greater authority. This case would never proceed if it were a college student, but must proceed since it is a high school student.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/8/2008 9:46:31 AM
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Or maybe he can turn the other cheek and rejoice for being persecuted for Jesus' sake. In other words, get over it!
It isn't about persecution. It's about a public school teacher abusing his position as his personal soapbox. I remember a couple of these back in "the day." It's annoying when they go off on something you really don't care about, but it is downright insulting when they go off about something that you do care about, and you can't even answer back without being shut down.
I was also going to community college where an English teacher managed to convert a simple Composition course into his personal controversy mill. This is true.
In this case, the school did take the bull by the horns and showed him the door. They were able to site several ways that his hornets'-nest technique violated the school's mission statement, and a couple of regulations as well: no lawsuits, no attorneys, and no bull.
Granted, college is different from public school; but, I see no reason why a school in the public system can't deal with their faculty in much the same manner as I witnessed at the community college.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/10/2008 12:36:40 AM
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I know this is slightly off topic, but I figure I'll put it here since it also deals with the state overstepping its bounds.
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Gina read the assigned materials and participated in class discussions, presenting traditional philosophical arguments on whether God exists and whether He possesses certain characteristics such as being all-knowing or all-good. However, Gina was unwilling to state that she would reconsider her personal religious beliefs on God’s nature and existence, and her grades suffered as a result. The professor has stated that it is his job to get students to reject a belief in a sacred or unquestionable “truth” in favor of the “rational” view that science, logic, and philosophy are the only reliable sources of “truth.”
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The professor stated that he would increase any student’s grade on a previous assignment to a 100 if he or she made the following statement on the course’s online message board: “I am _____________ (put your name here). I am not free because I am determined.”
The sole basis for determining whether a student would receive free points is his or her willingness to make this personal, faith-based claim.
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We sent a letter to the college’s attorney regarding the denial of Gina’s First Amendment rights, but the school’s initial response was unsatisfactory.
https://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?id=615
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Since when are our grades based upon our personal beliefs? This is ridiculous. I hope the ACLJ wins this.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/10/2008 1:36:46 AM
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Sounds like indoctrination instead of instruction.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/10/2008 10:18:09 AM
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I don't get it. The instructor opposed religion, yet compelled the students to state their belief in predetermination? Predetermination is a religious belief.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/10/2008 12:22:43 PM
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I don't get it. The instructor opposed religion, yet compelled the students to state their belief in predetermination? Predetermination is a religious belief.
So you agree that the instructor overstepped his bounds?
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/11/2008 7:28:42 PM
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So you agree that the instructor overstepped his bounds?
Not only did he overstep his bounds, but he committed a major logical fallacy.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/12/2008 10:28:42 AM
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I know this is slightly off topic, but I figure I'll put it here since it also deals with the state overstepping its bounds.
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Gina read the assigned materials and participated in class discussions, presenting traditional philosophical arguments on whether God exists and whether He possesses certain characteristics such as being all-knowing or all-good. However, Gina was unwilling to state that she would reconsider her personal religious beliefs on God’s nature and existence, and her grades suffered as a result. The professor has stated that it is his job to get students to reject a belief in a sacred or unquestionable “truth” in favor of the “rational” view that science, logic, and philosophy are the only reliable sources of “truth.”
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The professor stated that he would increase any student’s grade on a previous assignment to a 100 if he or she made the following statement on the course’s online message board: “I am _____________ (put your name here). I am not free because I am determined.”
The sole basis for determining whether a student would receive free points is his or her willingness to make this personal, faith-based claim.
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We sent a letter to the college’s attorney regarding the denial of Gina’s First Amendment rights, but the school’s initial response was unsatisfactory.
https://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?id=615
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Since when are our grades based upon our personal beliefs? This is ridiculous. I hope the ACLJ wins this.
Please start a new thread on this story.
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RE: Student Sues 'Anti-Christian' Teacher Over Remarks ... - 5/12/2008 4:37:59 PM
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FYI - I just spoke with a few kids who attend Capo yesterday. They say there are often parents outside the school picketing, asking for the teacher to be fired. They also said that this teacher encourages the students to record his lectures so they can glean more info at home. This kid, who is filing the lawsuit, was listening at home when his mom overheard and SHE went ballistic. Apparently, this kid is very embarrassed that his parents have caused such an uproar. These kids I spoke to said that the majority of the student body supports this teacher - even the outspoken Christians.
Just wanted to add more background to this ongoing drama.
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