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War in Iraq


We are in Iraq because of oil
  27% (131)
We are in Iraq to liberate the less fortunate
  8% (40)
We are in Iraq to protect Israel
  3% (18)
We are in Iraq to stop terrorists
  33% (160)
We are in Iraq for some other reason
  27% (130)


Total Votes : 479
(last vote on : 11/10/2009 4:31:27 PM)
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rlj -> RE: War in Iraq (7/13/2009 11:09:03 AM)

7 Iraqi churches have been attacked in the last 3 days:

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At least three children were wounded in Monday's attack in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, an Interior Ministry official told CNN.

The car bomb exploded in the morning, damaging the church in the al-Faisaliya district of eastern Mosul.

Six churches in and around Baghdad were bombed over the weekend, leaving four dead, officials told CNN. A total of 35 people have been wounded in the wave of attacks, including the three children Monday.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/13/iraq.church.bombings/index.html




ourgreatestSource -> RE: War in Iraq (7/13/2009 2:07:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rlj

7 Iraqi churches have been attacked in the last 3 days:

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At least three children were wounded in Monday's attack in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, an Interior Ministry official told CNN.

The car bomb exploded in the morning, damaging the church in the al-Faisaliya district of eastern Mosul.

Six churches in and around Baghdad were bombed over the weekend, leaving four dead, officials told CNN. A total of 35 people have been wounded in the wave of attacks, including the three children Monday.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/13/iraq.church.bombings/index.html


Oh people that is very frustrating and sad, some people cannot live regular normal lives around there and other parts in the world.

There is such short brakes between war and peace.

There are growing causalities in Afghanistan...and the list of dead and those who mourning is growing. The realities of war is very heavy and really depressing.

May the Lord renew the strenght of all who are exhausted worned out. [&o]




djv1255 -> US Troops may stay beyond 2011 (7/24/2009 10:06:15 AM)

After meeting with Obama yesterday, the Iraqi PM said US troops may end up staying beyond 2011.

Al Jazeera




cornergas -> RE: US Troops may stay beyond 2011 (7/31/2009 3:12:27 AM)

Pres. Bush administration misrepresented the existence of WMD/s in Iraq, as an excuse to go to war, no doubt to protect his buddies and his business interests in Saudi Arabia. 100,000 to one million innocent civilians killed in Iraq by this administrations actions..Does this sound like a Christian administration? No, far from it..Mr Bush should be tried for war crimes because of this action! God bless us all!




rlj -> RE: US Troops may stay beyond 2011 (8/1/2009 12:08:55 PM)

Senators are urging that KBR return bonus' for the shoddy work they did in Iraq:

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two Democratic senators called on the Pentagon to take back more than $83 million in bonuses paid to military contractor KBR after a Defense Department report criticized its electrical work on U.S. bases overseas.

"I want them to tell us on what basis can they possibly continue to justify having paid $83 million of the taxpayers' money for shoddy work that resulted in risk to our soldiers," Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota told reporters Friday.

Dorgan said he and Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania are pressing Defense Department officials to reclaim $83.4 million in bonus payments it awarded KBR for its work in Iraq.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/31/military.electrocutions/index.html




rockominal -> RE: War in Iraq (8/3/2009 2:27:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stephanos

In Romans 13, Paul tells us the power given to Governments by the will of God. It says that Governments are not given the sword for nothing. And in this text, the sword means Justice. The right of the Governments to punish those who do wrong. Sometimes that is an indivudual guilty of a crime. But other times it is a nation guilty of larger crimes.

This fact is undeniable.



I just wanted to refer to this section for identification, but your entire composition is excellent !




rockominal -> RE: War in Iraq (8/3/2009 2:42:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lovebabies

It is more satanic than anything else!


It's no more, or less satanic than anything else or any man made progressive order of affairs. I'll agree that this so-called administration is the biggest freak show that I wouldn't have thought would come to fruition in this country, however.
That being said, Jesus is the ONLY One who can boldly proclaim that "My Kingdom is not of this world."




Marcus. -> RE: War in Iraq (8/29/2009 11:52:55 PM)

Is Using a Minotaur To Gore Detainees A Form of Torture?




mapachito13 -> RE: War in Iraq (9/9/2009 2:52:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rockominal

quote:

ORIGINAL: stephanos

In Romans 13, Paul tells us the power given to Governments by the will of God. It says that Governments are not given the sword for nothing. And in this text, the sword means Justice. The right of the Governments to punish those who do wrong. Sometimes that is an indivudual guilty of a crime. But other times it is a nation guilty of larger crimes.

This fact is undeniable.



I just wanted to refer to this section for identification, but your entire composition is excellent !


Except for the fine print in Romans 13 which states that this only applies for policies enacted by Republican administrations. IOW, It's true only part of the time.




rlj -> RE: War in Iraq (9/18/2009 3:45:42 PM)

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I've noticed all countries want us out, but want our money in.

And none of us will ever know what is really happening.
CNN reports one thing and others report other things.

Liberals believe only what liberal media put out.
and I believe only what FOX puts out..........well, sorta.


I use the Weekly World News. [:)]

quote:

But who will protect the Iraqis against AQ and other hostile groups if the US leaves?


They have chosen to do it themselves. Though I have heard of it mentioned they can try and negotiate us staying longer but this makes the natives even more restless.




Mollymouser -> RE: War in Iraq (9/20/2009 9:00:46 PM)

My wonderful DH has been deployed 6 times already.

I think I'm ready for this war to wind down and end.




ourgreatestSource -> RE: War in Iraq (10/9/2009 5:05:29 PM)

"JOINT BASE BALAD, Iraq — There is no more visible sign that America is putting the Iraq war behind it than the colossal operation to get its stuff out: 20,000 soldiers, nearly a sixth of the force here, assigned to a logistical effort aimed at dismantling some 300 bases and shipping out 1.5 million pieces of equipment, from tanks to coffee makers.
It is the largest movement of soldiers and matériel in more than four decades, the military said.

By itself, such a withdrawal would be daunting, but it is further complicated by attacks from an insurgency that remains active; the sensitivities of the Iraqi government about a visible American presence; disagreements with the Iraqis about what will be left for them; and consideration for what equipment is urgently needed in Afghanistan. "



Leaving Iraq..




ourgreatestSource -> RE: War in Iraq (10/21/2009 2:04:16 PM)

"New Iraq realities bring much more down time

CONTINGENCY OPERATING BASE ADDER, Iraq — Pfc. Adrian Vesik heard that war could be hell.

He was happy to discover when he arrived in Iraq earlier this year that his war experience also would include salsa dancing, yoga and martial-arts classes.

“When I signed up for the Army, I thought I was going to be a hero — go out and do some fighting,” says Vesik, 19, during a break at a Filipino-Okinawan jujitsu class. “I haven’t come close to doing anything that I was trained to do. I work, maybe, four to five hours a day. I have time to try all these new things. It’s not so bad.”

Because of new rules that require Iraqi approval for all U.S. missions, and a general decline in violence nationwide, many of the 117,000 U.S. troops stationed in Iraq say they now have more idle time than at any previous point in the six-year war.

Combat is still a daily reality in some parts of Iraq, and U.S. troops are being killed here at a rate of about one a week."

ArmyTimes




rlj -> RE: War in Iraq (10/21/2009 4:44:50 PM)

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Because of new rules that require Iraqi approval for all U.S. missions, and a general decline in violence nationwide, many of the 117,000 U.S. troops stationed in Iraq say they now have more idle time than at any previous point in the six-year war.


I think that is very very nice. :D




rlj -> RE: War in Iraq (11/8/2009 7:14:04 AM)

96% of the population of Iraq is Muslim. If Muslim is purely a religion of hatred and destruction as we have been hearing for years on this thread and again in the Ft. Hood thread, why did we even bother attempting Operation Iraqi Freedom? All we've done is taken the focal point of Iraqi oppression from Saddam and given it to the Muslims. This is a conflict that cannot possibly be won if the hard line critics of Islam are correct, so why did so many of them support this war in the first place knowing it cannot possibly be won because of the religion of 96% of the populace?




wing2000 -> RE: War in Iraq (11/9/2009 12:38:00 PM)

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Iraq's parliament ended weeks of debate Sunday and passed a long-delayed law paving the way for the planned January election to go forward, sidestepping a crisis that could have delayed the U.S. troop withdrawal.

.............

Under the president's plan, all U.S. combat troops will be out of Iraq by the end of August, leaving about 50,000 trainers and support troops, who in turn would leave by the end of 2011.

Link




wing2000 -> RE: War in Iraq (11/9/2009 12:39:19 PM)

quote:

This is a conflict that cannot possibly be won if the hard line critics of Islam are correct, so why did so many of them support this war in the first place knowing it cannot possibly be won because of the religion of 96% of the populace?


good question.




rlj -> RE: War in Iraq (11/9/2009 4:25:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wing2000

quote:

This is a conflict that cannot possibly be won if the hard line critics of Islam are correct, so why did so many of them support this war in the first place knowing it cannot possibly be won because of the religion of 96% of the populace?


good question.


Interesting thought I had Wing. Some of the same people calling Muslims a bunch of terrorists who need eliminating are some of the same ones telling us "on the right track, stay the course, 100 years of never ending tours until the job is done". I just don't get it.




TheosCentric -> RE: War in Iraq (11/10/2009 5:01:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rlj

quote:

ORIGINAL: wing2000

quote:

This is a conflict that cannot possibly be won if the hard line critics of Islam are correct, so why did so many of them support this war in the first place knowing it cannot possibly be won because of the religion of 96% of the populace?


good question.


Interesting thought I had Wing. Some of the same people calling Muslims a bunch of terrorists who need eliminating are some of the same ones telling us "on the right track, stay the course, 100 years of never ending tours until the job is done". I just don't get it.


It's a misunderstanding of other religions in light of their own ethnocentric (read: redneck American) mindset.

The Bush Administration had no idea of the type of tribal warfare that would ensue upon removing Sadaam from power, even though we were not under any threat from Sadaam.

People associate terrorism with Islam, but terrorism is really associated with any idea that may seek to strike terror to accomplish a goal.

Timothy McVeigh comes to mind. Eric Rudolph, they guy who killed George Tiller, Mormons could be considered terrorists in the 1800's, the Crusaders could be considered terrorists, the Hindus have been killing the Christians in India, both Christians and Muslims were terrorizing each other in Lebanon, Jewish terrorists bombed the King David Hotel before Israeli statehood, etc.

Terrorism is not just limited to one ideology or religion, but that's what people see, particularly Americans. They ignore the fact that terrorism against Christians in India has been on the rise in recent years by Hindus. The Catholics aren't too kind to Christians in South America either.

The short of it is ignorance.




rlj -> RE: War in Iraq (11/10/2009 5:36:04 PM)

I agree with you except for this:

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The Bush Administration had no idea of the type of tribal warfare that would ensue upon removing Sadaam from power, even though we were not under any threat from Sadaam.


After we won Iraq 1 and there was the controversy over whether or not we should have left Saddam in power one reason given was he was the glue that held the country together. Remove him from power, there would be anarchy and the time and cost of occupying Iraq would be far greater than any benefit gained over leaving him in power. Sadly Rummy and Cheney both were part of that administration and helped arrive at the conclusion. During the wargames for Iraq in the planning stage it was made clear that 400k or so troops would be needed to pacify the country after the ouster of Saddam.

A good precedent for that would have been Yugoslavia which was held together by the force of Tito's will more than anything else. Yugoslavia barely lasted a decade after his death.




mapachito13 -> RE: War in Iraq (11/13/2009 2:36:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rlj

I agree with you except for this:

quote:

The Bush Administration had no idea of the type of tribal warfare that would ensue upon removing Sadaam from power, even though we were not under any threat from Sadaam.


After we won Iraq 1 and there was the controversy over whether or not we should have left Saddam in power one reason given was he was the glue that held the country together. Remove him from power, there would be anarchy and the time and cost of occupying Iraq would be far greater than any benefit gained over leaving him in power. Sadly Rummy and Cheney both were part of that administration and helped arrive at the conclusion. During the wargames for Iraq in the planning stage it was made clear that 400k or so troops would be needed to pacify the country after the ouster of Saddam.

A good precedent for that would have been Yugoslavia which was held together by the force of Tito's will more than anything else. Yugoslavia barely lasted a decade after his death.


Iraq and Yugoslavia are just two countries formed after the War to Begin All Wars - World War I. I think the Europeans purposely threw these groups together so the countries would be unstable and incohesive. The reasoning behind this escapes me but look at how ethnicity has caused the splitting of many countries formed after the Armistice.

Yugoslavia is a prime example but also look at the breakup of Czechoslovakia which thankfully was spared the bloodshed of the Yugoslavic breakup. Tito and Saddam used their iron dictatorial grip to keep their respective ethnic mixes under control but that cannot work in a supposed democracy where everyone has a say.




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