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techne -> RE: Why do you think Aussie film doesn't make it in the international market? (4/22/2008 11:29:19 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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first, all the above is bunk, and second - since you are in oz, you should probably know your own film culture better than we do. besides, since when is "making it" in hollywood any indication of worth? anyway, i'm pretty sure that aussie film is well regarded internationally - the question is where do you look for international acclaim or response? certainly not hollywood/ most american media. in any case, here is a list of films from the past few decades:
How is the above bunk ? And what do you mean by "bunk"?
what i was referring to was the original post, as follows:
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ORIGINAL: Giulia
I have heard a number of explanations; the obvious one comes up about the accent, then there is the fact many Aussie writers haven't got much life experience and don't give enough action in the screenplays and just that we are so laid back in Australia and we are not particularly intrigued with Hollywood.
when i say, "that's bunk", what i mean is that it is simply not true. aussie films aren't successful because of the accent? come on. aussie writers don't have much life experience? what? not enough action in screenplays? too laid back...hollywood...seriously? actually, the same could be said of canadian films, in many ways...
my point, if you read further, was that "making it in the international market" is about more than financial success in hollywood. acknowledged, north america is a pretty big market, but there are many other places where people watch film. i was making the point that your view of what comprises australian film success seems somewhat limited. i'm sure you could look up the domestic, north american and other box office for various australian movies and see their success in terms of money. you could probably also do a search on those films and find out what their successes are at the thousands of film festivals around the world. there are numerous film websites (both popular and critical) where you could discover these things.
in fact, i would assume that there must be some sort of australian film community and national organization that would be able to provide you with relevant information. here in canada, we have the nfb (national film board) and they produce numerous internationally well-received and award-winning film, whether short, animated, documentary, etc.
so, in the context of your question, one question you need to answer for us is: how do you define "success"?
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ORIGINAL: Giulia
secondly, no not a lot of film has made it internationally,at least not done that well in the box office.
again, see above. are you able to access box office stats? last time i checked, box office includes the whole world. even for hollywood films. often, 50% of their grosses are "overseas" (not to mention the DVD market).
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ORIGINAL: Giulia
geez you have an arrogant tone with me techne, get this please, I am a student, much of my life has been in darkness and am now starting to learn, in fact it is why I bring up these discussions in the first place, not all of us are a grade students with phd's, at least I am not.
sorry. i'm not trying to be arrogant. my apologies. though i'm not really sure what has offended you here...of course, you did ask for thoughts about the subject.
perhaps it's my comment that, "since you are in oz, you should probably know your own film culture better than we do"? i was simply stating that you probably have the resources you need to discover some of these things right where you are. nevertheless, i was still trying to engage the subject. and i will learn from this as well. we are all students.
all i was saying was that your perception of the international "success" of aussie films seems faulty - your original post seems to make hollywood the measure of that success. which i take issue with. and which is also why i asked you a couple of questions about that issue - i wanted to try to clarify where your thinking was at on that issue. and then i provided you with a link for more information with much more educated people than i, as well as a provisional (though evidently inadequate) list of well-regarded (though not necessarily "money-makers") australian films. further, i think that if you look at population bases, aussie film probably does pretty well...
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ORIGINAL: Giulia
10 Canoes - Rolf De Heer (2006)
Shine - Jan Sardi (1997) Death defying acts was released last yr and was directed by Gillian Armstrong (not sure of the ethnicity of the writers), Wolf Creek- Greg Maclean (2005).That film doesn't seem to have done real well. Still all these films are not current and there is not a lot of success internationally in the way of film that is coming from Australia. I hear childrens film is doing well from here but not really any other genre and the producers I know of are hooked in with the Americans. We have a lot of dark movies made here. Not a lot of film is coming out of Australia, a lot of good actors, but not a lot of film.
this is more helpful, but again, i'm not sure how you're defining international success. maybe the fact that there are a lot of "dark movies" has something to do with less financial success, but what about critical success?
also, since you keep saying "current", do you really mean 2008? if so, then your argument could be made for any number of nations, since the hollywood movie industry is the biggest film industry out there (along with bollywood), and its products tend to overwhelm everything else. it's so crazy that canadian films sometimes end up in the foreign film category at oscar time - that's how pervasive the american mind set is.
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