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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/23/2008 6:35:05 PM
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9drtr
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The owner of a local butcher shop won the lottery a couple of weeks ago and he gave free chicken legs the following Friday.
How rude - I'd preferred a rib eye steak.
Catholic neighbourhood. Can't give out meat on Friday.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/24/2008 2:09:58 PM
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Gambling is gambling. Be it raffles, scratchers,bingo,betting on "the game",poker,black-jack,slots,roulette. A family member and his wife buy scratchers,and his wife has a severe gambling problem. They had one house foreclosed,and were just evicted from another house.. So it is gambling. Preying on those whom can least afford it..
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/24/2008 2:14:57 PM
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Qtman
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Gambling is gambling. Be it raffles, scratchers,bingo,betting on "the game",poker,black-jack,slots,roulette. A family member and his wife buy scratchers,and his wife has a severe gambling problem. They had one house foreclosed,and were just evicted from another house.. So it is gambling. Preying on those whom can least afford it..
Gambling does not prey on anyone. Satan does. Some people are weak and easily become addicted to things. Myself I could easily become addicted to playing slot machines. Therefore I do not play on them except maybe once or twice a year. Then I limit myself to a certain dollar amount and will not go beyond that. I only use what I can afford and do not let that come between the bills tithes or anything else.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/24/2008 6:08:12 PM
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kernsfamily
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I voted yes. Mainly because it is just a way for the States to raise revenue for variuos functions of the State i.e. education. It is not necessarily a game of chance so I don't see it as gambling. I support the Florida school chilluns' about once a year with a dollar or two.
Your money would best be spent donating money to the local PTA....
Lottery/Lotto always pokes at the "greedy" bone in all of us....
an occasional 'office pool' thing? then, yeah....why not?
BUT, where I grew up, the "lotto" (or "the numbers" as they called them) was a WAY OF LIFE....in the 'old neighborhood' where everyone struggled to get by from week to week......and yet, twice a week, there goes $40+ down the tubes to the lotto machine.
But, they wouldn't even CONSIDER taking that money and putting it into a decent mutual fund (though, this was before the time when investing was more "common" than it was now).....
it was seen as their ONLY way to have a chance at having any kind of wealth (but, with all the STUFF people bought then, and over extended themselves on monthly payments and credit cards, it was obvious WHY it was their ONLY chance at wealth)....
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/24/2008 9:41:57 PM
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SonInMe1
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I guess asking for prayers before I buy my tickets is out of the question?
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/25/2008 8:28:35 AM
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For me this one is a very touchy subject. I have family in the gaming industry. Was even offered a nice six figure job to come help them run one of the casino's a couple of decades ago. (I had to ask myself if God would be pleased with me making money in that way) My child at one time was the sole heir to several casinos.
I have to ask myself why is it wrong for me to make money off people in this way (by being an owner) but not others (who are players)?
I do know how this works. Who they go after and why they go after certain people. I also know how they speak about those who do gamble behind close doors.....owners DON"t gamble...they are professional business people and make very deliberate moves. (sure there is the occasional exception but they don't tend to remain owners for long if they are true gamblers)
If you took out the people who were not betting inorder to "win" you would not have an industry and you would not see any multi million dollar jack pots.
Take away the money and use matches if you think you don't bet to win. See how often you are tempted to do that.
Remember evey time you buy a ticket you are helping to pay for advertising to people who are at rocks bottom and ignorant. You are helping to take money out of their families household.
See how the government lies to you about how ALL the money is used.
Next time instead of saying to yourself "I am helping out school children" or this is for "entertainment" say to yourself "I am helping to con ingnorant, desperate people out of their money".
Last year the state of Texas spend $33 million in advertising. I have never seen a sign in my wealthy relatives neighborhood. But have seen many in the poor sections.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/25/2008 9:27:04 AM
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Well I guess now is not the time to say I have also visited the dog tracks a couple of times.
I do not go to the dog tracks, the casinos, or buy lottery tickets with the hopes of getting rich. It is purely for entertainment. I can sit for hours on 20 to 30 dollars and be entertained and really enjoy it. If there are people there who cannot afford it, and I am well aware there are, it is their problem not mine. It is sad but I can't keep them away nor will I try.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/26/2008 8:26:51 AM
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SonInMe1
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Remember evey time you buy a ticket you are helping to pay for advertising to people who are at rocks bottom and ignorant. You are helping to take money out of their families household.
You could use this "logic" to attack alcohol use....donuts....magazines.....almost anything you purchase. Someone...is gonna be challenged by an activity you do. People can be addicted to golf. Should I never play golf again? Have a donut? Go to McDonalds?
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/26/2008 3:48:16 PM
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Did anyone click on the link re: 'Money' before they made their decision?
Here it is again: Money
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/27/2008 12:05:21 AM
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If you took out the people who were not betting inorder to "win" you would not have an industry and you would not see any multi million dollar jack pots.
I agree, PW, it would'nt be around at all.
I have played once in a while when the amount is big, but I never felt quite right about it, so I try not to do it.
No matter what reason we give, we always fantasize about what we'd do if we won.
I certainly have convinced myself that I would give it ALL away.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 4/27/2008 12:11:26 AM
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SonInMe1
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I have tried to imagiune winning the lotto for years.
I can tell ya, to me, it seems to win a big lotto would be more work than its worth. Charities. Church. Taxes. Annuities. Relatives.
As a christian what do you do with tens of millions of dollars? Would it change you? Challenge you? Define you? Will those sins, that you thought were gone, resurface? If you could buy anything you want...will you always make the godly choice?
Its why I pray for God's will in this. I rebuke anything satan might have to do with it. I'm not one of those who tell the pastor, oh when I win the lotto I will do this and that because I know what I will do.
God knows too. Its up to Him to do this.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/5/2008 10:17:54 AM
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P31W
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You could use this "logic" to attack alcohol use....donuts....magazines.....almost anything you purchase. Someone...is gonna be challenged by an activity you do. People can be addicted to golf. Should I never play golf again? Have a donut? Go to McDonalds?
My post you copied had nothing to do with addiction.
Everything you mentioned above can be "of value" to the individual. What "value" comes from a lottery ticket?
I am talking about the government going out of their way to advertise something of "no value" to the most ingornat and poor people in our society.
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As a christian what do you do with tens of millions of dollars?
My guess is that you would do much what you do now. Some portion of that money would go to buy lottery tickets.
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Its why I pray for God's will in this.
If God wants you to be weatlhy beyond compare he does not need to rely on your purchasing a lottery ticket.
Ever stop to consider that God is wanting to bless you with more and is looking at how you "currently" handle what he has blessed you with?
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/5/2008 10:28:13 AM
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P31W
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I do not go to the dog tracks, the casinos, or buy lottery tickets with the hopes of getting rich. It is purely for entertainment. I can sit for hours on 20 to 30 dollars and be entertained and really enjoy it. If there are people there who cannot afford it, and I am well aware there are, it is their problem not mine. It is sad but I can't keep them away nor will I try.
That's pretty much the root level where you and I differ.
You view this as simply a form of entertainment that you can afford to enjoy.
I view this as government run abuse on the poor and ingorant that I won't be a part of and not only won't be a part of but work actively to do away with and help others realize the abuse involved in this industry.
My eyes are open and I cannot be entertained by this industry.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/5/2008 4:53:26 PM
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tracydolls
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If God wants you to be weatlhy beyond compare he does not need to rely on your purchasing a lottery ticket.
amen, that is the truth.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/5/2008 9:07:11 PM
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SonInMe1
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I view this as government run abuse on the poor and ingorant
That may be but....unlike the other taxations, its not manditory. Its a matter of free will....and I am neither poor nor ignorant.
For me it isn't as much entertainment as it is escapism.
I'll throw a couple hundred dollars a year at it.
I won't give my church millions if I win. I'll tithe. I'll give some offerings. I'll do so privately and without any fanfare.
Its not an idol. Its like the people who have a glass of wine with their meals. For some that would be very bad. For others...not.
I don't endorse the lotto. I don't look to it as some answer to my life or as a retirement fund. Its just the same as watching tv or doing a hobby. It gets my mind off of the things of the day.
Certainly I have thought about the bad aspects of the lotto. The not trusting God aspect. The responsibility aspect. I do pray aboput the lotto. Not so much to win, but that God's will, be done and that it not be from satan. That I will be responsible with it and it won't change me for the worse.
So far all I have done is pay extra taxes...which for a conservative is a bad thing.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/7/2008 11:45:42 AM
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Again you completely missed my point.
You are only looking at this lottery and how it effects you.
I look at the lottery to see how it effects others.
Romans 15:
We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. Each of us should please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/8/2008 10:09:33 PM
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SonInMe1
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In that light, we would not be able to do anything for fear someone would fall.
If you are a gambler then by all means do not play the lotto.
I spend more money on junk food a week than I do lotto. I don't think lotto is a problem for me. If its a problem for someone else then, they have to recognise that.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/9/2008 8:33:46 AM
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P31W
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Again you have missed my point. I am not talking about people with addictions necessarily. I am talking about a govermental run lottery that preys on poor, desperate, ignorant people.
I don't "want" those people's money. I don't want to support a system that tells them lies and gives them false hope.
If all I cared about was "myself" then I would open up a check cashing business or word contracts so that I could take more from them than is reasonable if they fail to pay, or charge them interest when they hit hard times or open a title loan business or a casino and go after those poor, ingorant, desperate people's money. There are literally thousands of ways I "could" make money off that group of people that are very legal.
But over and over again in scripture we find that we are to help the poor not take advantage of them for money.
But I don't want to "hurt" them. I want to be part of the solution for them....not a part of the problem.
I want to teach them "wise biblical" financial principles.
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I don't "want" money from poor, ignorant, desperate people who are praying that God allows them to win so their family won't be homeless or whatever it is they are "hoping" to gain from the expenditure.
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RE: Lottery - Lotto - Scratch cards - 5/9/2008 8:49:33 AM
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Here are some "reasons" I believe Christians should not be part of industry and should "actively" work against it.
How are these things below paid for? With money earned from each ticket sold.
"Lottery gambling is predatory — those who can afford it least spend the most.
Lottery companies know that poor households spend 3 times as much on lottery tickets as middle-income households. That is why they use millions of your tax dollars to target poor neighborhoods with seductive lottery advertising. People with household incomes of less than $10,000 bet nearly three times as much on lotteries as those with incomes over $50,000, according to the National Gambling Impact Study Commission. The top 5 percent of players (who played $3,870 or more) accounted for 54 percent of total lottery sales; the top 20 percent of players accounted for 82 percent of sales.""
National Gambling Impact Study Commission (NGISC), p. xxiii; "State Lotteries at the Turn of the Century: Report to the National Gambling Impact Study Commission," Charles T. Clotfelter, Philip J. Cook, Julie A. Edell and Marian Moore, Duke University, April 23, 1999, p. 12.
"Lottery gambling harms children.
Lottery advertising targets children with a destructive message that replaces the value of hard work with a message that "Easy Street" is just a lottery ticket away. Several years ago, a lottery billboard went up on a street in a low-income neighborhood in Chicago that read, "How to get from Washington Street to Easy Street — Play the Illinois Lottery." A lottery advertisement in New York showed a mother teasing a daughter for studying for a scholarship. After all, Mom had already bought a lottery ticket to solve their financial problems."
"General Assembly to grapple with issue of lottery advertising," The Sun News, (Myrtle Beach, SC) Monday, December 18, 2000; Neal Peirce, "Lotteries are getting serious and crazy," The Plain Dealer [Cleveland, Ohio], May 9, 1989.
Do I believe Christians should participate in this? Of course not. It goes against the second most important law given in scripture......loving your neighbor as yourself.
The OP asked, "Is it acceptable for Christians to buy lottery tickets, the lotto or scratch cards? "
In light of what I "know". The answer would have to be a resounding NO. It's a system that takes advantage of poor, ignorant and desperate people. Something NO CHRISTIAN should take an active role in doing for "any reason".
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