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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/30/2008 1:31:50 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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How would we know? If no other political candidate's preacher has been under the microscope that Obama's preacher has.
Microscope? Who needs to look that hard? The man is broadcasting his garbage as much as he can... Just this past weekend the brainiacs at the NAACP thought it all well and good to have the man speak at a huge fund raiser... With friends like that...
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His fault. But you didn't answer the question.
You can't make Obama a victim when it's his BAD choices that he is paying for here... This is politics and he's showing that while he handles himself fine and dandy in public and on TV he's got some ISSUES he needs to deal with...
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Who would be doing the rating?
As always what a reasonable person would think... Of course it's not a perfect system, but it is a measuring stick and Obama's pastor tipped the scale...
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And would it also depend on how the majority "establishment" feels about the candidate? My answer to my own question is "no". Once Obama has been destroyed and buried and the country saved from impending doom, no other candidates' preacher will ever be mentioned.
You're kidding yourself... This isn't been driven by those who wish to see Obama fail, but from folks that any reasonable person would think to be on his side... His pastor of 20 years and the NAACP...
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I said "you". And "your" preacher. Not Wright. To some people, it's possible your preacher is a "whack" job.
True, but if compared to Rev. Wright they would seem perfectly sane... So would some folks who are medicated daily....
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Since we've now set the precedent that we can judge a person's character based on his preacher, I think it would be a good idea from now on that employers get to scrutinize employees preachers. Don't want any "whack job" employees working for you, do you?
Every job doesn't put you in the White House... You're being to simple here... The stakes in the game Obama is playing are just about as high as it gets and you better have you gear packed tight, and your closet in order because stuff is going to be looked at like never before... It comes with territory...
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Again. Someone my think that comments made by your preacher at one time or another are outrageous.
Some people think we never went to the moon... So what...
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You think Obama is the only politician who attends an "apostate" church?
We are not talking about everyone... Without a doubt the church Obama attended for 20 years is apostate...
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Or is this the first and only politician that we're concerned about his spirituality and being from a church of sound doctrine?
Not for me...
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Actually, I hope this does set a precedent. It would be nice if included in those "voter guides" conservatives pass out, there was a little blurb about the candidates church, the doctrine, a few quotes from the candidates pastor, etc.
Not that I care all that much because I am not a conservative, but why just conservatives...
Btw.. I am not Liberal either...
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You're right. They don't want that can of worms opened. And once Obama is taken to the woodshed and taught a lesson, I doubt that it ever will be.
Obama is a victim by his own hand... You can try and toss the rocks to other people, but he only has himself to blame...
John
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/30/2008 6:19:47 PM
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Obama is a victim by his own hand... You can try and toss the rocks to other people, but he only has himself to blame...
John
You're right.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 4/30/2008 9:13:46 PM
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What good sermon doesn't have some hyperbole. Without it you have Episcopals.
LOL
Note to any one running for President:
You better attend Episcopal Churches that dutifully display the American flag in their sancturary and regularly dispense "God Bless America"
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/1/2008 5:11:38 PM
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I saw part I of the Bill Moyers interview video on-line. It has me persuaded that Wright is a man of God who is preaching what God wants him to preach, but his words are being distorted by a dull-minded and spiritually blinded media and group of nominal or immature Christians.
No government can take the place of God, and God will damn a nation for its sins in his righteous anger and justice.
The flip side of the coin is that Jesus died for the sins of the world and took that damnation upon Himself so that we could live a life in God's grace and mercy, enjoying the benefits of His love even though we could never deserve it.
America is no more holy of a nation than any other, but in America we have a lot of salt and light - the body of Christ living here. There are many people interceding for the USA, and God is doing great things here and blessing us, in spite of His pronouncement that we are damned for evil deeds.
Christ is the hope of the nations. The USA is not. The same hope we have in Christ is the hope that the rest of the world has, and the USA is in a great position to be senders and goers taking the Gospel throughout the world.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/1/2008 5:21:10 PM
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One neat thing about Barack Obama is that he is as much a white man as he is a black man. His mother is white and his father is black. It's hard to be racist against blacks or whites when you are both yourself.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/1/2008 5:47:24 PM
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I saw part I of the Bill Moyers interview video on-line. It has me persuaded that Wright is a man of God who is preaching what God wants him to preach, but his words are being distorted by a dull-minded and spiritually blinded media and group of nominal or immature Christians.
No government can take the place of God, and God will damn a nation for its sins in his righteous anger and justice.
The flip side of the coin is that Jesus died for the sins of the world and took that damnation upon Himself so that we could live a life in God's grace and mercy, enjoying the benefits of His love even though we could never deserve it.
America is no more holy of a nation than any other, but in America we have a lot of salt and light - the body of Christ living here. There are many people interceding for the USA, and God is doing great things here and blessing us, in spite of His pronouncement that we are damned for evil deeds.
Christ is the hope of the nations. The USA is not. The same hope we have in Christ is the hope that the rest of the world has, and the USA is in a great position to be senders and goers taking the Gospel throughout the world.
This immature Christian doesn't get the Christ-like virtue of spreading nasty lies about people and dividing them along racial lines. Perhaps a wise one like youself could share with us the value of telling blacks that a predominantly white government invented AIDS to kill them.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/1/2008 8:51:29 PM
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One neat thing about Barack Obama is that he is as much a white man as he is a black man. His mother is white and his father is black. It's hard to be racist against blacks or whites when you are both yourself.
I would disagree, I was a racist for along, long time, my mother is white, my father black. Here in america, it's the one drop rule.... so I consider myself black in color, in culture, according to the rules.
Rev. Wright is preaching a false gospel based on his theology.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/2/2008 10:34:29 AM
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I saw part I of the Bill Moyers interview video on-line. It has me persuaded that Wright is a man of God who is preaching what God wants him to preach, but his words are being distorted by a dull-minded and spiritually blinded media and group of nominal or immature Christians.
Christ is the hope of the nations. The USA is not. The same hope we have in Christ is the hope that the rest of the world has, and the USA is in a great position to be senders and goers taking the Gospel throughout the world.
I dont think his words are being distorted in the least bit. They are what they are. His message is very clear and it is not a message of hope.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/2/2008 9:33:58 PM
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I saw part I of the Bill Moyers interview video on-line. It has me persuaded that Wright is a man of God who is preaching what God wants him to preach, but his words are being distorted by a dull-minded and spiritually blinded media and group of nominal or immature Christians.
Given what Mr. Wright has said in the name of God I honestly feel sorry for the man... I wouldn't want to answer for what he has done.... He should shut his mouth and enjoy his reward he's found on earth in the name of God and consider himself blessed God hasn't taken him out where he stands...
John
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/3/2008 12:52:55 AM
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One neat thing about Barack Obama is that he is as much a white man as he is a black man. His mother is white and his father is black. It's hard to be racist against blacks or whites when you are both yourself.
I would disagree, I was a racist for along, long time, my mother is white, my father black. Here in america, it's the one drop rule.... so I consider myself black in color, in culture, according to the rules.
Rev. Wright is preaching a false gospel based on his theology.
I thought the "one drop rule" was used to marginalize or oppress people.
What you are genitically is mixed race, half black, half white.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/3/2008 3:23:35 AM
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I thought the "one drop rule" was used to marginalize or oppress people. It was. It was the rule to help keep the slave owners "white looking children" in slavery. Or give them less problems when they sold their "white looking children".
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What you are genitically is mixed race, half black, half white. Genetically I am French-Canadian, Choctow Native, Nigerian Ibo, Portuguese, European.
Here in America it is mulatto, mixed, half breed, ni&^^$#, negro, black, african american, you get it. It's enough to qualify me. I grew up going to southern baptist, listening to Mahalia Jackson, James Brown, Al Green.
I ate collards greens, and chitlin's with cornbread, I listened and still listen to my father tell stories of picking cotton in Louisiana.
Wright shares that with me, mixed genes. do we share theology, nope.
We are all from Africa according to DNA.
I pray I am adopted into Jesus's family.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 8:25:33 AM
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It has me persuaded that Wright is a man of God who is preaching what God wants him to preach, but his words are being distorted by a dull-minded and spiritually blinded media and group of nominal or immature Christians.
And this past week Glenn Beck has let the man speak for himself by playing is sermons in whole. You can keep him.
This is a man and Church that was too out there for Oprah and I need a telescope to see her.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 8:28:55 AM
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I ate collards greens, and chitlin's with cornbread, I listened and still listen to my father tell stories of picking cotton in Louisiana.
side point to what Rev. Wright pitches out: I ate the same and I did pick cotton in LA. and I am white. Blacks do not have a monopoly on being poor and oppressed
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 2:50:27 PM
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Wright scares white people
He makes fun of white people
He hates America because he dint say God Bless America.
Obama went to Wright's church,
Therefore,
Obama IS Wright,
Therefore,
Obama scares white people.
Obama hates America too, cuz he went to Wright's church plus he don't wear a flag pin, plus he don't have an American name, plus his wife said she had never been proud of America before - even when the hockey team beat the commies in the olympics or when Rocky beat the commie Ivan Drago to win the World Heavyweight championship.
Most of the voters in this country are white and they love America.
Therefore
Obama loses.
End of story.
I can't wait till football season. Any Dallas Cowboys fans out there? Of course there are. You can't love America without loving "America's Team." 
- Julius
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 3:10:53 PM
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Julius lets get off the Obama pity train, he will win, most white young people worship him, at my church and some very white members of my family. All these things you listed do concern me, so? Hillary sacres me, Bill scared me, and yes I do love America, this country has been very good to me, and I suspect you also.
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Wright scares white people
He makes fun of white people
He hates America because he dint say God Bless America.
Obama went to Wright's church,
Therefore,
Obama IS Wright,
Therefore,
Obama scares white people.
Obama hates America too, cuz he went to Wright's church plus he don't wear a flag pin, plus he don't have an American name, plus his wife said she had never been proud of America before - even when the hockey team beat the commies in the olympics or when Rocky beat the commie Ivan Drago to win the World Heavyweight championship.
Most of the voters in this country are white and they love America.
Therefore
Obama loses.
End of story.
I can't wait till football season. Any Dallas Cowboys fans out there? Of course there are. You can't love America without loving "America's Team."
- Julius
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
F.T., 2007
Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 7:34:23 PM
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saved9201
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Julius lets get off the Obama pity train, he will win, most white young people worship him, at my church and some very white members of my family. All these things you listed do concern me, so? Hillary sacres me, Bill scared me, and yes I do love America, this country has been very good to me, and I suspect you also.
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ORIGINAL: saved9201
Wright scares white people
He makes fun of white people
He hates America because he dint say God Bless America.
Obama went to Wright's church,
Therefore,
Obama IS Wright,
Therefore,
Obama scares white people.
Obama hates America too, cuz he went to Wright's church plus he don't wear a flag pin, plus he don't have an American name, plus his wife said she had never been proud of America before - even when the hockey team beat the commies in the olympics or when Rocky beat the commie Ivan Drago to win the World Heavyweight championship.
Most of the voters in this country are white and they love America.
Therefore
Obama loses.
End of story.
I can't wait till football season. Any Dallas Cowboys fans out there? Of course there are. You can't love America without loving "America's Team."
- Julius
Sorry. While the horse may be long dead with the buzzards having picked it clean, there does appear to be a few scattered skeletal remains left. And since you guys seem to get so much joy in beating it, who am I to be the spoil sport? Beat on.
-Julius
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 8:12:03 PM
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side point to what Rev. Wright pitches out: I ate the same and I did pick cotton in LA. and I am white. Blacks do not have a monopoly on being poor and oppressed
What Mr. Wright pitches is hate, I am not catching that. Your right, Blacks do not have the monopoly on being poor and oppressed. When I do go back to La. I see white people eating in "black" restarants all the time. It's nothing strange there. These are southern dishes. Not exclusive to blacks.
Here where I live, it is considered black food. Like lutefisk is considered "white"
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 10:27:26 PM
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You said an elderly relative cannot stand him, and you agreed, so which way is it for you? Listen to the elderly who have wisdom and can see a flim flam man.
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Julius lets get off the Obama pity train, he will win, most white young people worship him, at my church and some very white members of my family. All these things you listed do concern me, so? Hillary sacres me, Bill scared me, and yes I do love America, this country has been very good to me, and I suspect you also.
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ORIGINAL: saved9201
Wright scares white people
He makes fun of white people
He hates America because he dint say God Bless America.
Obama went to Wright's church,
Therefore,
Obama IS Wright,
Therefore,
Obama scares white people.
Obama hates America too, cuz he went to Wright's church plus he don't wear a flag pin, plus he don't have an American name, plus his wife said she had never been proud of America before - even when the hockey team beat the commies in the olympics or when Rocky beat the commie Ivan Drago to win the World Heavyweight championship.
Most of the voters in this country are white and they love America.
Therefore
Obama loses.
End of story.
I can't wait till football season. Any Dallas Cowboys fans out there? Of course there are. You can't love America without loving "America's Team."
- Julius
Sorry. While the horse may be long dead with the buzzards having picked it clean, there does appear to be a few scattered skeletal remains left. And since you guys seem to get so much joy in beating it, who am I to be the spoil sport? Beat on.
-Julius
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
F.T., 2007
Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 10:30:52 PM
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My husband from NC, favorite food. He worked the tabbaco fields at 10, got addicted to nicotine form it. Only gave up his dip a little over a year ago, he gave up smokes 1o years ago. Not my favorite foods, but hey, grits, collards, NC BBQ so nasty, he loves.
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side point to what Rev. Wright pitches out: I ate the same and I did pick cotton in LA. and I am white. Blacks do not have a monopoly on being poor and oppressed
What Mr. Wright pitches is hate, I am not catching that. Your right, Blacks do not have the monopoly on being poor and oppressed. When I do go back to La. I see white people eating in "black" restarants all the time. It's nothing strange there. These are southern dishes. Not exclusive to blacks.
Here where I live, it is considered black food. Like lutefisk is considered "white"
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
F.T., 2007
Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 10:55:53 PM
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You said an elderly relative cannot stand him, and you agreed, so which way is it for you? Listen to the elderly who have wisdom and can see a flim flam man.
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ORIGINAL: saved9201
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
Julius lets get off the Obama pity train, he will win, most white young people worship him, at my church and some very white members of my family. All these things you listed do concern me, so? Hillary sacres me, Bill scared me, and yes I do love America, this country has been very good to me, and I suspect you also.
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ORIGINAL: saved9201
Wright scares white people
He makes fun of white people
He hates America because he dint say God Bless America.
Obama went to Wright's church,
Therefore,
Obama IS Wright,
Therefore,
Obama scares white people.
Obama hates America too, cuz he went to Wright's church plus he don't wear a flag pin, plus he don't have an American name, plus his wife said she had never been proud of America before - even when the hockey team beat the commies in the olympics or when Rocky beat the commie Ivan Drago to win the World Heavyweight championship.
Most of the voters in this country are white and they love America.
Therefore
Obama loses.
End of story.
I can't wait till football season. Any Dallas Cowboys fans out there? Of course there are. You can't love America without loving "America's Team."
- Julius
Sorry. While the horse may be long dead with the buzzards having picked it clean, there does appear to be a few scattered skeletal remains left. And since you guys seem to get so much joy in beating it, who am I to be the spoil sport? Beat on.
-Julius
My aunt said she's not voting for Obama. I've said countless times neither am I. Just because I don't join in the hatefest doesn't mean I support the man for president. I guess that's the standard here. If you don't demonize, villify, spew venom and express fear and animosity toward Obama, or if you criticize those that do, you must be a closet supporter of him. I wonder what exactly is the agenda here? When is enough enough? Obviously not yet, huh?
-Julius
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 11:02:03 PM
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Well, they do noy have an all obama bash thread on here yet, so hey he is doing better the our president, who people crush everyday. So I will cry a tiny tear for obama.
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You said an elderly relative cannot stand him, and you agreed, so which way is it for you? Listen to the elderly who have wisdom and can see a flim flam man.
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ORIGINAL: saved9201
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
Julius lets get off the Obama pity train, he will win, most white young people worship him, at my church and some very white members of my family. All these things you listed do concern me, so? Hillary sacres me, Bill scared me, and yes I do love America, this country has been very good to me, and I suspect you also.
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ORIGINAL: saved9201
Wright scares white people
He makes fun of white people
He hates America because he dint say God Bless America.
Obama went to Wright's church,
Therefore,
Obama IS Wright,
Therefore,
Obama scares white people.
Obama hates America too, cuz he went to Wright's church plus he don't wear a flag pin, plus he don't have an American name, plus his wife said she had never been proud of America before - even when the hockey team beat the commies in the olympics or when Rocky beat the commie Ivan Drago to win the World Heavyweight championship.
Most of the voters in this country are white and they love America.
Therefore
Obama loses.
End of story.
I can't wait till football season. Any Dallas Cowboys fans out there? Of course there are. You can't love America without loving "America's Team."
- Julius
Sorry. While the horse may be long dead with the buzzards having picked it clean, there does appear to be a few scattered skeletal remains left. And since you guys seem to get so much joy in beating it, who am I to be the spoil sport? Beat on.
-Julius
My aunt said she's not voting for Obama. I've said countless times neither am I. Just because I don't join in the hatefest doesn't mean I support the man for president. I guess that's the standard here. If you don't demonize, villify, spew venom and express fear and animosity toward Obama, or if you criticize those that do, you must be a closet supporter of him. I wonder what exactly is the agenda here? When is enough enough? Obviously not yet, huh?
-Julius
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
F.T., 2007
Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 11:02:41 PM
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saved9201
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Jerry Jones and Rev. White are a lot alike....lol
John
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RE: Who Is This Man? - 5/4/2008 11:22:40 PM
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My husband from NC, favorite food. He worked the tabbaco fields at 10, got addicted to nicotine form it. Only gave up his dip a little over a year ago, he gave up smokes 1o years ago. Not my favorite foods, but hey, grits, collards, NC BBQ so nasty, he loves.
LOL. I stopped eating pork a while ago. My hubby eats all of it.  Except the oink..... 
OP-
I just found out that Wright is pro-choice,  a pastor? That was surprising.
This man is not of G-D, at least not right now. It's a shame to me that this what people think are Black Churches and that he speaks for all of us.
HE DOES NOT!!
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