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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:05:33 PM
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2shaye
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What is being defending here?
i think it's being suggested that stones not be thrown while discussing standards.
You have great insight and I think you are a wise woman (I mean that sincerely!).
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:08:56 PM
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The deal is that Miley Cyrus is just like any other 15 year old Christian girl. She is bombarded with different kinds of temptation, just like anyone else, and like anyone else, she stumbles sometimes. I'd like to meet the person who didn't stumble over temptation at all when they were 15. Sin is sin, regardless of what it is. No one pretend that her sin is more atrocious than theirs or anyone else's. Plank and sliver, my brothers and sisters.
So the answer is to act like nothing happened and move on.... No biggie? One of the cruelest things done by Christians isn't judging one another, it's letting their brother and sister continue in sin, and not having the whatever to confront and deal with things... Festering sins are the nightmare for Christians, not posts on a forum...
Nobody has said her sin was more atrocious...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:13:14 PM
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I think God allows us to make decisions for ourselves. Sometimes the bad ones are the ones that bring us closer to Him, and *I* think that's what this life is all about - getting closer and closer to God. Maybe this whole Miley thing is about God allowing her to make mistakes in order to get closer to him? If that's the case, why would any other Christian be condemning?
Should we sin that grace abound?
When God uses evil for God the act of evil is still condemned... Joseph’s brothes didn't get kudos because God used their evil to feed the world…
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:15:57 PM
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The deal is that Miley Cyrus is just like any other 15 year old Christian girl. She is bombarded with different kinds of temptation, just like anyone else, and like anyone else, she stumbles sometimes. I'd like to meet the person who didn't stumble over temptation at all when they were 15. Sin is sin, regardless of what it is. No one pretend that her sin is more atrocious than theirs or anyone else's. Plank and sliver, my brothers and sisters.
So the answer is to act like nothing happened and move on.... No biggie? One of the cruelest things done by Christians isn't judging one another, it's letting their brother and sister continue in sin, and not having the whatever to confront and deal with things... Festering sins are the nightmare for Christians, not posts on a forum...
Nobody has said her sin was more atrocious...
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Okay. So it's cruel to let our brothers and sisters continue to sin without confronting them. How is judging a famous teenage girl on a public forum accomplishing this goal? What possible good can come out of it?
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:28:58 PM
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What possible good can come out of it?
Could help teach both parents and kids to use a bit more discernment when taking photos that may cause an issue.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:44:07 PM
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What possible good can come out of it?
Could help teach both parents and kids to use a bit more discernment when taking photos that may cause an issue.
Perhaps there's a better way to teach this lesson than to talk badly about a Christian behind her back.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:48:56 PM
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What is being defending here?
i think it's being suggested that stones not be thrown while discussing standards.
What stones? Considering the act sinful isn't casting stones... If people wish to make up monster to slay that's their problem...
Yet a person on here says that anyone who thinks the pictures are not ok has lust issues... I love this place, I truly do...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:49:14 PM
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Perhaps there's a better way to teach this lesson than to talk badly about a Christian behind her back.
Behind her back? She is a public figure and what she did was a public thing. If she had done this in private, etc.. then your argument would hold more ground.
No one has said "she is going to hell!" and or "she is a not a Christian". From what I have read, people are simply concerned with what she did, etc.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:55:00 PM
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How is judging a famous teenage girl on a public forum accomplishing this goal? What possible good can come out of it?
First of all... Though this topic is about someone else it applies to others... It's a discussion, not a court...
Possible good... People might learn something... Of course you could ask that about every thread...
Oh... If you really take issue with what's going on don't particpate...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 6:56:47 PM
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Perhaps there's a better way to teach this lesson than to talk badly about a Christian behind her back.
Are you serious?
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 7:50:40 PM
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from the OP
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I think those who say they are believers who say they are role models for young people should have higher moral standards.
the implication here is that the non famous are free to have lower standards. we are all to have high moral standards.
people just need to stop thinking of the famous as role models. the fact that people are monkey see monkey do, does not mean that the famous have a special status. they are not teachers and pastors. entertainment needs to be seen as far more superficial. it's a show. it's not life.
the adults in this world need to teach how unreal fame and entertainment are and offer real role models... that fame is fleeting and is nothing more than temporary popularity. we need to teach how to observe and value things. fame may get you popularity and money but fame does not make someone special or wise.
we need to banish the notion that the famous are role models.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 8:01:54 PM
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we need to banish the notion that the famous are role models.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 8:05:52 PM
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the implication here is that the non famous are free to have lower standards. we are all to have high moral standards.
The more you are given, the more is required of you... It's more to do with her claim of being a believer than being famous...
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 8:56:58 PM
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the implication here is that the non famous are free to have lower standards. we are all to have high moral standards.
The more you are given, the more is required of you... It's more to do with her claim of being a believer than being famous...
John
we're ALL believers.
please demonstrate from scripture and it's context how "to much is given..." applies to fame and higher standards.
what i see is that willful disobedience requires more punishment. (luke) and a hard heart does not benefit from the word of God. (Matthew)
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 9:23:50 PM
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we're ALL believers.
Who are you referring to? Not everyone is a believer...
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please demonstrate from scripture and it's context how "to much is given..." applies to fame and higher standards.
The standard is the same, God's word...
In a prior post...
She has been blessed with fame and wealth and invokes the name of Jesus Christ... She has been given more, so more is required...
Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/6/2008 9:46:32 PM
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IOW sin on purpose get more punishment.
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Who are you referring to? Not everyone is a believer...
 oh my stars. pure silliness.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/7/2008 12:42:33 AM
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There is a verse in the bible called Proverbs 3:5 which says that "To train up a child in the ways of the Lord and they will not depart from it. As far as I'm concerned, Miley's parents are responsible for training her up as a Christian woman who will not compomise. Unfortnatly, like many Christian parents, there is no evidence of Christian training at all. Miley's parents are not the only ones, because there are many Christian parents who are famous and unfamous who don't know how to be a parent and don't know how to train their Christian children.
Sure, we ought to stop thinking about people who are famous as role models and yes, those role models fail. But when you profess your faith, and is looked up by pre-teens and teenage girls, you have a responsiblity to your fans because young people will look at you and how you are about.
No one is condeming this girl to hell, but as a christian educator, I would look at this in deep concern.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/7/2008 4:29:14 AM
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i think the entertaining teen is accountable to her parents and her own christian community. she is not a teacher or a leader, she is an entertainer. yes her parents need to take the main roll in this. so do all of the other parents that don't teach their children that show business is... show business... that entertainers are not role models. it's not a celebrity problem it's a culture problem.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/7/2008 5:44:46 AM
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How is judging a famous teenage girl on a public forum accomplishing this goal? What possible good can come out of it?
First of all... Though this topic is about someone else it applies to others... It's a discussion, not a court...
Possible good... People might learn something... Of course you could ask that about every thread...
Oh... If you really take issue with what's going on don't particpate...
John
I'm simply responding to the claim that people are spending lots of energy shouting about what Miley Cyrus did because they are concerned about her. The problem with that is the people doing this aren't directing their comments toward her, so they're not helping her at all.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/7/2008 8:28:42 AM
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This is a message board. We discuss topics like this. Like it or not this girl does have a lot more influence on a lot of impressionable young girls. She *is* the hot thing right now. We've seen this train wreck before with other very popular child stars. Maybe in this one instance the outcry is coming early enough in this kid's life to give her professing Christian parents a wake up call to pull in the reigns. The last time I looked a minor child still was under their parents authority. The biggest problem these child stars have is that too many people in their lives are dependent on them financially so they don't set appropriate boundaries for those kids. No boundaries means trouble down the road.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/7/2008 8:38:57 AM
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How is judging a famous teenage girl on a public forum accomplishing this goal? What possible good can come out of it?
First of all... Though this topic is about someone else it applies to others... It's a discussion, not a court...
Possible good... People might learn something... Of course you could ask that about every thread...
Oh... If you really take issue with what's going on don't particpate...
John
I'm simply responding to the claim that people are spending lots of energy shouting about what Miley Cyrus did because they are concerned about her. The problem with that is the people doing this aren't directing their comments toward her, so they're not helping her at all.
This is one of the qualities of a message board - we're discussing something that is of interest and any related sub-topics that go with it.
You seem to be really bothered by that and or this particular topic (Miley) so I can only suggest you abstain from it. Not sure what to tell you because the topic does not bother me, well, not much does.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/7/2008 9:18:16 AM
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I am not bothered by discussion at all. I hope I didn't insinuate such. No, I'm just of the opinion, in response to the initial issue, that entertainers shouldn't be held to higher standards than Christians of any other facet of life. If someone has a different opinion, that's fine. I was discussing the reasons behind such high standards for people because of their fame, which led to someone saying that Christians should correct one another and that is the reason they make such a big deal about the recent actions of Miley Cyrus. I was simply pointing out that nobody is helping Miley Cyrus by making a huge deal about something we honestly know little about on a public forum. If there's another motive, that's fine. I have no problem whatsoever with that.
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RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Stand... - 5/7/2008 9:39:42 AM
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To who much is given, much is asked. It is a biblical precept that applies to public figures - pastors, speakers, etc...
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