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Obama fans or not
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/1/2008 10:25:30 PM
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HUH? An elitist...not an elitist. Man I know it is a bit on the late side but I think.. think... you just contradicted yourself.
Yes. He can be a bit of an elitist.
His politics aren't elitist, though. At the end of the day, I think he respects the voter- something that I don't think Karl Rove et. al have always done.
I think that Barack might act a bit elitist as a person, but I think he has more wisdom than he has elitism. My rule isn't that you can't be an elitist- my rule is that if you're going to be more elitist than me, you have to be either wiser, more competent, or at least older. I think he wins on at least two counts (the wiser and older part), as he was wiser twenty years ago than I was last year, and has likely picked up even more wisdom since then.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/1/2008 10:43:52 PM
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Forgive me Random, seems like I am misunderstanding everyone in the real world, and cyber world today.
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How do you fiqure? I tried being fair in asking a whole range of questions, so no it is not my personal preferance in the questions I ask. With due respect your personal view of my post is an unfair judgement, I was wanting to know how people really felt.
I'm sorry I upset you, although I'm not sure why you are upset. No part of my post is an unfair judgment, and I have no idea who you support or don't support. I am not sure I even understand what you are upset about.
You have two options about him winning or not. One says "He will win" and the other says "He will not win." They do not say "I want him to win" or "I don't want him to win."
So, I read that part of the poll as a prediction, rather than a preference, and that's how I voted. I was not judging you in any way, I was just answering the question you asked. I don't know who I will vote for, but my prediction is that Obama will win, so I answered that way, since that's what you asked.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 7:10:03 AM
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freakofnature
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Yes. He can be a bit of an elitist.
His politics aren't elitist, though.
Well now... Liberal politics are inherently elitist. So I don't know what you mean when you say his politics aren't??? I know there are mid-western democrats and that will be the argument that liberals aren't elitist. I am speaking more to the Left Coast liberals and the upper east as well, you know the ones. The San Fransisco liberals that Obama spoke to with the "Guns and religion" speech, where was that...um...oh...yeah. Billionaires row. I think some people are democrat because their family has always been, but the elitist lib's have taken over the dem. party.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 10:42:58 AM
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Personally, I dont know how any Christian can vote for Obama or Clinton considering they both condone abortion (ie murder).
What is up with that??? 
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 10:51:34 AM
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My MIL and FIL live in NC, they do not know who to vote for Obama or Hillary, very devout Christians, my mom and dad were big Bill C. fans, but do not like Obama, and have doubts about Hillary, although mom is mad at the Kennedys for betraying Hillary. My husband and I are Republicans, though in some elections voted democrat, in state elections. LOL I still have my old first voter " democrat card", so I think you are in part right, with the young, but as we get older have own views.
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Yes. He can be a bit of an elitist.
His politics aren't elitist, though.
Well now... Liberal politics are inherently elitist. So I don't know what you mean when you say his politics aren't??? I know there are mid-western democrats and that will be the argument that liberals aren't elitist. I am speaking more to the Left Coast liberals and the upper east as well, you know the ones. The San Fransisco liberals that Obama spoke to with the "Guns and religion" speech, where was that...um...oh...yeah. Billionaires row. I think some people are democrat because their family has always been, but the elitist lib's have taken over the dem. party.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 12:41:33 PM
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My family is origionally from Chicago. My mom voted DEM. for years simply because our family voted that way. I am not sure when she changed but I was old enough to remember her explaining to my angry grandma and grandpa why she was changing over to REP.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 12:42:49 PM
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Personally, I dont know how any Christian can vote for Obama or Clinton considering they both condone abortion (ie murder).
What is up with that???
Murder can be an unjust war to some, the supporting of the death penalty after it has been proven by DNA that a lot of people are innocent, (ie) Illinois stopped the death penalty because almost 200 cases of people sitting there for years, DNA has proven them innocent. Thats' why I could'nt vote for the current-his death penalty record in Texas.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 1:43:58 PM
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As far as Senator Obama, for me it was not clear that I would have voted for him or not. My top 3 candidates were out of the race anyway. I personally don't think he can win now. He's now entering that zone of being unelectable, regardless if he's ahead in the delegate count or not. The racists, elitist, Marxist, Islamic Manchurian candidate has pretty much been rake over the coals and a lot of people have got what they wanted. His whole campaign is damaged beyond repair and I'm not too proud to admit some of the blame fall on his shoulders and those running his campaign. I just wished that the media and some of these political pundits would stop sugar coating this, keep it real and express the real reason why they have attacked Senator Obama relentlessly over the past few weeks. That's all I will say about that.
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Murder can be an unjust war to some, the supporting of the death penalty after it has been proven by DNA that a lot of people are innocent, (ie) Illinois stopped the death penalty because almost 200 cases of people sitting there for years, DNA has proven them innocent. Thats' why I could'nt vote for the current-his death penalty record in Texas.
I feel the same way. My pro-life stance does not end at abortion.
That's why it's difficult to vote for a candidate who has no problem with the death penalty and war where innocents are killed. Just the other day, on the frontpage of the Washington post they showed a picture of an injured 2 year old who later died, from that battle Sadr City. When my wife showed it to me I imagine how I would feel if the roles were reverse, having my house hit by an RPG and losing my 16 month old son.
Many within the body of Christ would argue that it's ok, it's justified so therefore everything is cool, we are mandated by God to protect our sovereignty, blah, blah, blah  
Of course at the expense of thousands of lives who just so happen to live in the country of the so-called enemy. To me that's rubbish, but I digress.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 1:53:31 PM
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That's why it's difficult to vote for a candidate who has no problem with the death penalty and war where innocents are killed
Yeah unfortunately casualties to tend to mount up, an unfortunate part of war. But sometime war needs to be met with war. The U.S. didn't call for Terrorist to commit war acts against us, but they did. We must defend ourselves.
EDIT-If that RPG was to hit your house, wouldn't you do everything in your power to protect your family and face the criminal that commited that horrible act against your family. What's the difference when they flew planes into our front door... Called New York.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 2:13:44 PM
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That's why it's difficult to vote for a candidate who has no problem with the death penalty and war where innocents are killed
Yeah unfortunately casualties to tend to mount up, an unfortunate part of war. But sometime war needs to be met with war. The U.S. didn't call for Terrorist to commit war acts against us, but they did. We must defend ourselves.
EDIT-If that RPG was to hit your house, wouldn't you do everything in your power to protect your family and face the criminal that commited that horrible act against your family. What's the difference when they flew planes into our front door... Called New York.
I can come back and say that those terrorist that flew into those buildings were not Iraqi. If revenge is what I want (I'm not for repaying evil with evil), then I go after the one who did it. We wanted revenge for 9/11 and ended up in a country who had nothing to do with the actual attack. I guess we can call it misguided revenge, but hey that's another subject for another thread (I believe one already exist).
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 2:26:20 PM
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I just wished that the media and some of these political pundits would stop sugar coating this, keep it real and express the real reason why they have attacked Senator Obama relentlessly over the past few weeks.
I would say that me, you and the political pundits and everyone needs to stop sugar coating it.
Alot of it is racism. Unfortunately the conversation(Race in America) got turned to a racist pastor. Racist understand him perfectly. they just mad cause now it is the other guy. ie Sean Hannity, he was on it months ago!
But....I've learned this HATE just breeds hate.
I understand the pride that comes with BO, mob mentatality, following the herd, self preservation.
do I want to help my brothers and sisters, yes.
But I want to help my brothers and sisters in Christ first always.
Racism in this season is a Daily killing of the flesh. I think of Paul alot now days. I think BO is probaly one of our last chances. In a long line of chances. Abe, MLk, JFK, Robert.
read Jeremiah 50? and 51, it says Babylon will not be healed.
So if we cannot heal/ make her repent of her racism, what are we to do, turn the other cheek, not run with the mobs of racists running rampart over this country.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 2:32:02 PM
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I just wished that the media and some of these political pundits would stop sugar coating this, keep it real and express the real reason why they have attacked Senator Obama relentlessly over the past few weeks.
I would say that me, you and the political pundits and everyone needs to stop sugar coating it.
Alot of it is racism. Unfortunately the conversation(Race in America) got turned to a racist pastor. Racist understand him perfectly. they just mad cause now it is the other guy. ie Sean Hannity, he was on it months ago!
But....I've learned this HATE just breeds hate.
I understand the pride that comes with BO, mob mentatality, following the herd, self preservation.
do I want to help my brothers and sisters, yes.
But I want to help my brothers and sisters in Christ first always.
Racism in this season is a Daily killing of the flesh. I think of Paul alot now days. I think BO is probaly one of our last chances. In a long line of chances. Abe, MLk, JFK, Robert.
read Jeremiah 50? and 51, it says Babylon will not be healed.
So if we cannot heal/ make her repent of her racism, what are we to do, turn the other cheek, not run with the mobs of racists running rampart over this country.
good points. cannot argue with anything. 
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 2:35:46 PM
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That's why it's difficult to vote for a candidate who has no problem with the death penalty and war where innocents are killed
Yeah unfortunately casualties to tend to mount up, an unfortunate part of war. But sometime war needs to be met with war. The U.S. didn't call for Terrorist to commit war acts against us, but they did. We must defend ourselves.
EDIT-If that RPG was to hit your house, wouldn't you do everything in your power to protect your family and face the criminal that commited that horrible act against your family. What's the difference when they flew planes into our front door... Called New York.
I can come back and say that those terrorist that flew into those buildings were not Iraqi. If revenge is what I want (I'm not for repaying evil with evil), then I go after the one who did it. We wanted revenge for 9/11 and ended up in a country who had nothing to do with the actual attack. I guess we can call it misguided revenge, but hey that's another subject for another thread (I believe one already exist).
Yes, another time another thread, I will make my last rebuttle by saying this: 1) so those killed by Sadam were just unfortunately not our problem?
2)So you wouln't protect your property if the RPG was hitting your house?
IT"S FRIDAY, I'm outta here, have a nice weekend ya'll....
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 2:42:22 PM
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That's why it's difficult to vote for a candidate who has no problem with the death penalty and war where innocents are killed
Yeah unfortunately casualties to tend to mount up, an unfortunate part of war. But sometime war needs to be met with war. The U.S. didn't call for Terrorist to commit war acts against us, but they did. We must defend ourselves.
EDIT-If that RPG was to hit your house, wouldn't you do everything in your power to protect your family and face the criminal that commited that horrible act against your family. What's the difference when they flew planes into our front door... Called New York.
I can come back and say that those terrorist that flew into those buildings were not Iraqi. If revenge is what I want (I'm not for repaying evil with evil), then I go after the one who did it. We wanted revenge for 9/11 and ended up in a country who had nothing to do with the actual attack. I guess we can call it misguided revenge, but hey that's another subject for another thread (I believe one already exist).
Yes, another time another thread, I will make my last rebuttle by saying this: 1) so those killed by Sadam were just unfortunately not our problem?
Not saying that, but that reason for going was not stated in the very beginning. Now was it?
2)So you wouln't protect your property if the RPG was hitting your house?
more than likely there will be nothing left to protect.
IT"S FRIDAY, I'm outta here, have a nice weekend ya'll....
LOVE IN CHRIST.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 2:47:30 PM
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War is in the Bible and approved of, it says there will be wars, and rumors of war. Gay rights, abortion is not. Alot of blame falls on BOs shoulders, he made some unwise choices, and friendships. I was thinking though, while in the shower, he is likeable, but would not vote for him because his liberal sins, his church. Biggoted maybe, but not about him being black. I stand firm in my convictions about his INHO views.
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As far as Senator Obama, for me it was not clear that I would have voted for him or not. My top 3 candidates were out of the race anyway. I personally don't think he can win now. He's now entering that zone of being unelectable, regardless if he's ahead in the delegate count or not. The racists, elitist, Marxist, Islamic Manchurian candidate has pretty much been rake over the coals and a lot of people have got what they wanted. His whole campaign is damaged beyond repair and I'm not too proud to admit some of the blame fall on his shoulders and those running his campaign. I just wished that the media and some of these political pundits would stop sugar coating this, keep it real and express the real reason why they have attacked Senator Obama relentlessly over the past few weeks. That's all I will say about that.
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Murder can be an unjust war to some, the supporting of the death penalty after it has been proven by DNA that a lot of people are innocent, (ie) Illinois stopped the death penalty because almost 200 cases of people sitting there for years, DNA has proven them innocent. Thats' why I could'nt vote for the current-his death penalty record in Texas.
I feel the same way. My pro-life stance does not end at abortion.
That's why it's difficult to vote for a candidate who has no problem with the death penalty and war where innocents are killed. Just the other day, on the frontpage of the Washington post they showed a picture of an injured 2 year old who later died, from that battle Sadr City. When my wife showed it to me I imagine how I would feel if the roles were reverse, having my house hit by an RPG and losing my 16 month old son.
Many within the body of Christ would argue that it's ok, it's justified so therefore everything is cool, we are mandated by God to protect our sovereignty, blah, blah, blah
Of course at the expense of thousands of lives who just so happen to live in the country of the so-called enemy. To me that's rubbish, but I digress.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/2/2008 2:58:21 PM
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Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
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good points. cannot argue with anything.
LOL. I'm glad we are discussing this. I found the above verse that I would share with you. I'm going to read Paul for awhile. some of his verses just became english to me, not #@^%@^%@^.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/3/2008 8:52:59 AM
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Personally, I dont know how any Christian can vote for Obama or Clinton considering they both condone abortion (ie murder).
What is up with that???
Murder can be an unjust war to some, the supporting of the death penalty after it has been proven by DNA that a lot of people are innocent, (ie) Illinois stopped the death penalty because almost 200 cases of people sitting there for years, DNA has proven them innocent. Thats' why I could'nt vote for the current-his death penalty record in Texas.
Abortion has nothing to do with any of the above things you listed. It is the murdering of an innocent and defensless life. Im sorry but you cant compare war or the death penalty to that.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/3/2008 9:54:23 PM
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Abortion has nothing to do with any of the above things you listed. It is the murdering of an innocent and defensless life. Im sorry but you cant compare war or the death penalty to that.
War on innocent people that have not attacked us, is an unjust war. The death penalty killing of an innocent person is murder. Abortions are murder.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/4/2008 8:20:48 AM
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In interviews Rev. Wright has said his words that most heard where soundbytes taken out of context. This past week Glenn Beck has been playing the sermons in whole.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/4/2008 9:02:35 AM
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Abortion has nothing to do with any of the above things you listed. It is the murdering of an innocent and defensless life. Im sorry but you cant compare war or the death penalty to that.
War on innocent people that have not attacked us, is an unjust war. The death penalty killing of an innocent person is murder. Abortions are murder.
Please dont misunderstand me, I am not trying to devalue any life that is lost. I am only saying that you cant compare these things to abortion becasue they are not the same. In war, people have the opportuinty to defend themselves or to leave the country even. On death row, a person has means of defending themselves as well; hence the 200 lives that were saved in this country due to DNA testing. A baby in the womb can do nothing. It is defensless. It cant pick up the phone and call a lawyer or the NCLU; it cant make its way out of it's mother's womb or run from the impending doom...it is helpless.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/4/2008 1:53:13 PM
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If you have a poll asking someone their favorite color, the choices should be color names, none of the above, all above or something like that. You wouldn't expect to see numbers or food names, right? So if you ask me something that appears to be a closed set question where some of the choices are yes/no responses while others are open ended and more suited for WH-questions, or that has multiple polar opposites, then confusion - not criticism - can be the result. So to try to get at all of the options:
I don't dislike Obama. This Wright issue hasn't changed my mind. I wasn't going to vote for him before this or the previous or the certain to be next issues come up. He will not win. (Can't respond to the his own fault statement cause I really don't understand that one.) Don't know Wright's mind so I can't compare it to Obama's (whose mind I don't know either). It's an issue because the liberal media is making it that. I do hope it goes away but until there's a new issue with Obama, it most likely won't.
I'm 50 and fully understand that there will never be a black president in this country in my lifetime.
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RE: Obama fans or not - 5/4/2008 3:06:41 PM
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I am sorry you did not like my questions Closie, They had to do with the Wright issue, it is opinion based like polls the news give. I tried to be fair not one sided, to give everyone a shot on how this issue effected the election. Fifty is nifty and not old, and I do have faith that we will see a black president, and I hop | | | |
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