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US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 6:48:54 AM
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US Airstrike In Somalia
And the people of Somalia were instantly freed from their yoke of opression!  This snake doesn't need a head to do damage. A building falls more easily if you take out its base.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 12:44:11 PM
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US Airstrike In Somalia
And the people of Somalia were instantly freed from their yoke of opression! This snake doesn't need a head to do damage. A building falls more easily if you take out its base.
There is never anything sad about a dead Al Queda leader.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 2:32:07 PM
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The angels in Heaven is rejoicing because another Moslem terrist has done BIT THE DUST!!! Halleluyah!!! The more a them terrists we kill and send strait to the Devil the closer we all get to reel PEACE.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 2:36:18 PM
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There is never anything sad about a dead Al Queda leader.
What about 12 potentially innocent civilians? Were they sacrificed in the name of democracy?
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 2:42:37 PM
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hopefully this "mission" in Somalia doesn't go as bad as the last time....when "that other guy" went in.....
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 2:59:50 PM
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Jhud
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What about 12 potentially innocent civilians? Were they sacrificed in the name of democracy?
What evidence do you have any innocent civilians were killed?
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:01:37 PM
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Jhud
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The angels in Heaven is rejoicing because another Moslem terrist has done BIT THE DUST!!! Halleluyah!!! The more a them terrists we kill and send strait to the Devil the closer we all get to reel PEACE.
Well I don't know how the angels might feel about it, but there is certianly no reason for us not to be glad it happened.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:07:38 PM
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dbark
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US Airstrike In Somalia
And the people of Somalia were instantly freed from their yoke of opression! This snake doesn't need a head to do damage. A building falls more easily if you take out its base.
There is never anything sad about a dead Al Queda leader.
"Dr Ahmed Mahdi at Dusamareb Hospital told the BBC's Somali Service that he was treating eight civilians, including women and children, for burns and shrapnel wounds.
One of the women has since died, bringing the death toll so far to 11. He said identifying the dead would prove difficult as the al-Shabab villa and surrounding mud houses and trees were now scorched earth. " source: bbc.com
Nope ... never anything sad about it - Just happiness and sunshine.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:08:41 PM
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What about 12 potentially innocent civilians? Were they sacrificed in the name of democracy?
What evidence do you have any innocent civilians were killed?
Well, the paper showed that 12 civilians were killed, and in most countries, civilians are innocent until proven guilty (same with the military and the DoD- notice I haven't been harping on them in particular.)
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:09:23 PM
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"Dr Ahmed Mahdi at Dusamareb Hospital told the BBC's Somali Service that he was treating eight civilians, including women and children, for burns and shrapnel wounds.
One of the women has since died, bringing the death toll so far to 11.
He said identifying the dead would prove difficult as the al-Shabab villa and surrounding mud houses and trees were now scorched earth. " source: bbc.com
Nope ... never anything sad about it - Just happiness and sunshine.
The death of civilians is sad; the death of Al Queda leaders is not.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:11:55 PM
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The death of civilians is sad; the death of Al Queda leaders is not.
I don't know if we should celebrate death, either, though. Heck, us liberals might be evil deathmongers, but for the record, we don't throw a huge party when the abortion numbers come out.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:12:28 PM
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"Dr Ahmed Mahdi at Dusamareb Hospital told the BBC's Somali Service that he was treating eight civilians, including women and children, for burns and shrapnel wounds.
One of the women has since died, bringing the death toll so far to 11.
He said identifying the dead would prove difficult as the al-Shabab villa and surrounding mud houses and trees were now scorched earth. " source: bbc.com
Nope ... never anything sad about it - Just happiness and sunshine.
The death of civilians is sad; the death of Al Queda leaders is not.
All I'm saying is there is plenty to be sad about. The war in Iraq, regardless of how you feel about the validity of it, is immensely sad. There is always something to be sad about when people are hurting/suffering and killing other people.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:14:01 PM
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US Airstrike In Somalia
And the people of Somalia were instantly freed from their yoke of opression! This snake doesn't need a head to do damage. A building falls more easily if you take out its base.
There is never anything sad about a dead Al Queda leader.
"Dr Ahmed Mahdi at Dusamareb Hospital told the BBC's Somali Service that he was treating eight civilians, including women and children, for burns and shrapnel wounds.
One of the women has since died, bringing the death toll so far to 11. He said identifying the dead would prove difficult as the al-Shabab villa and surrounding mud houses and trees were now scorched earth. " source: bbc.com
Nope ... never anything sad about it - Just happiness and sunshine.
It's how terrorist organizations get "public opinion" tilted to their side.....they "shield" themselves by residing and existing amongst the general population.....then, if ever confronted/attacked, there will most assuredly be "collateral damage"....which, then, the organization uses in it's own PR to denounce the attack...no matter how justified it was....
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:15:52 PM
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Jhud
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Well, the paper showed that 12 civilians were killed, and in most countries, civilians are innocent until proven guilty (same with the military and the DoD- notice I haven't been harping on them in particular.)
First off, 'innocent until proven guilty' is judicial concern promoted by most Western countries; it is never applied to military matters. We don't go about reading Miranda rights to the leaders of terrorist organizations.
And as sad as the death of presumed innocents are, the reality is Somalia would suffer much more with those leaders alive than with them dead.
We could do I suppose much as we have done in Darfur, which is watch hundreds of thousands of innocents die all the while wringing our hands over it, or we could kill the people perpetuating such genocides. I prefer the latter.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:17:17 PM
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Jhud
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All I'm saying is there is plenty to be sad about. The war in Iraq, regardless of how you feel about the validity of it, is immensely sad. There is always something to be sad about when people are hurting/suffering and killing other people.
There may be plenty to be sad about; I am simply saying the death of Al queda leaders doesn't happen to be one of those things.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:20:25 PM
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Might it have possibly been that those people were harboring the Al Qaida? If they were truly innocent bystanders, yes it's a shame. If they were involved with the bad guys............... Oh well!
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"Dr Ahmed Mahdi at Dusamareb Hospital told the BBC's Somali Service that he was treating eight civilians, including women and children, for burns and shrapnel wounds.
One of the women has since died, bringing the death toll so far to 11.
He said identifying the dead would prove difficult as the al-Shabab villa and surrounding mud houses and trees were now scorched earth. " source: bbc.com
Nope ... never anything sad about it - Just happiness and sunshine.
The death of civilians is sad; the death of Al Queda leaders is not.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:23:30 PM
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dbark
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All I'm saying is there is plenty to be sad about. The war in Iraq, regardless of how you feel about the validity of it, is immensely sad. There is always something to be sad about when people are hurting/suffering and killing other people.
There may be plenty to be sad about; I am simply saying the death of Al queda leaders doesn't happen to be one of those things.
Jhud, I have lots of respect for you and almost always enjoy reading what you have to say. However, on this point, I feel that I must point out that the death of a person, a child of God, one whom God loves as much as you and I ... is sad. Even though this man has likely done some terrible things, I don't think God rejoices at the death of this man.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:33:26 PM
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Jhud, I have lots of respect for you and almost always enjoy reading what you have to say. However, on this point, I feel that I must point out that the death of a person, a child of God, one whom God loves as much as you and I ... is sad. Even though this man has likely done some terrible things, I don't think God rejoices at the death of this man.
In all due respect, are you saying that an Al Queda leader is a child of God?
Personally, I think that this is what God ultimately designed government for; to be the bearer of wrath against those who do evil in the here and now. God may not delight in the death of the wicked, but He certainly delights when their wicked schemes are brought to an end.
And I am glad that an American missile could be of service to that end.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 3:59:12 PM
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Ezekiel 33:11 "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways!"
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 4:04:54 PM
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An A Qaida leader may be God's creation, but I wouldn't consider him a "child of God." Being a child of God entails far more than merely taking up space on planet Earth.
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Jhud, I have lots of respect for you and almost always enjoy reading what you have to say. However, on this point, I feel that I must point out that the death of a person, a child of God, one whom God loves as much as you and I ... is sad. Even though this man has likely done some terrible things, I don't think God rejoices at the death of this man.
In all due respect, are you saying that an Al Queda leader is a child of God?
Personally, I think that this is what God ultimately designed government for; to be the bearer of wrath against those who do evil in the here and now. God may not delight in the death of the wicked, but He certainly delights when their wicked schemes are brought to an end.
And I am glad that an American missile could be of service to that end.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 4:17:43 PM
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dbark
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Jhud, I have lots of respect for you and almost always enjoy reading what you have to say. However, on this point, I feel that I must point out that the death of a person, a child of God, one whom God loves as much as you and I ... is sad. Even though this man has likely done some terrible things, I don't think God rejoices at the death of this man.
In all due respect, are you saying that an Al Queda leader is a child of God?
Yes, of course I am. He was a person created in God's image and dearly loved by God. Are you suggesting that God loves you more than that man? Are you presuming to be the judge of this man's heart? Do you know anything about this man in whose death you take such delight? You assume this man is destined for hell and then say that it is cause for celebration. It is one thing to judge this man's actions as evil and another thing entirely for you to presume to judge his soul. If you are going to say you haven't judged him, then ask yourself why you rejoice at his death?
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 4:30:11 PM
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Jhud
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Yes, of course I am. He was a person created in God's image and dearly loved by God. Are you suggesting that God loves you more than that man? Are you presuming to be the judge of this man's heart? Do you know anything about this man in whose death you take such delight? You assume this man is destined for hell and then say that it is cause for celebration. It is one thing to judge this man's actions as evil and another thing entirely for you to presume to judge his soul. If you are going to say you haven't judged him, then ask yourself why you rejoice at his death?
I am not suggesting that God loves me more than that man; but I am suggesting that if I did what that man did, then ultimately the legitimate authority that God has given earthly governments to punish evil actions would be applied to me as well.
I am not required to know the man's 'heart' to agree that his actions required a just response by the appropriate governing authorities.
I am not celebrating his eternal punishment, but the end of his earthly reign of terror against innocents.
It's really not a matter of judging his heart (as I didn't obviously know him personally) as it is judging the actions of an organization that is wholly evil in it's intents and methods.
So I rejoice in none of these things, but the fact that this evil organization is today short one member, and hopefully tommorrow, many, many more.
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 4:40:51 PM
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First off, 'innocent until proven guilty' is judicial concern promoted by most Western countries; it is never applied to military matters. We don't go about reading Miranda rights to the leaders of terrorist organizations.
The 12 dead people in question were not leaders of of terrorist organizations. And on what grounds is the military allowed to kill these 12 people? Even the good thing of taking out a known terrorist leader can't make the deaths of 12 others not involved an ok thing...
If the cops acted in this manner they could face charges and for sure would not be cops anymore... And if one were to kill 12 other people in the act of defending themselves they would go to jail...
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And as sad as the death of presumed innocents are, the reality is Somalia would suffer much more with those leaders alive than with them dead.
The United States did them a favor by killing them with no just cause?
John
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RE: US Airstrike in Somalia - 5/1/2008 4:43:23 PM
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I am not required to know the man's 'heart' to agree that his actions required a just response by the appropriate governing authorities.
How does a just response include killing people that the appropriate governing authorities have no lawful reason to kill?
John
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