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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 8:06:52 AM
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Dan1138
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Here is another itteration of a similar heresy. These are excerpts from an email I sent to a man I met from Doug Stantons' circus.
Dear ######,
My name is Sam we met at the zoo yesterday. I thank you for telling me about DSMI. I am in the process of researching Doug, Karen and DSMI.
I have found that Doug and Karen are not concerned with saving souls. They are by their own admission simply trying to drive Christians into an emotional furvor. Please see this quote from thier website:
"What revival is not!
Revival is not an evangelistic crusade, with its primary goal of saving the lost. The lost do not need ‘revival', they need salvation. You must be made alive first (‘vived') before you can be ‘re-vived'."
- Doug Stanton
Our first and primary job as Christians is to seek and save not to boil in our passions. Doug futher says in his vision statement that:
"Revival puts to death the "old" life support.
Natural man's religion never pleases God! Revival puts off and replaces man's religion. When that happens, we find we have put on the “new self” and God's intended new version of life support."
God never gives us life support in the form of religious passion or revivalist passion. God gives us new life. This life is true and does not fade like religion.
True healing as God spoke of in the Exodus is the healing of a dead soul that is far from Christ to new life. Show me wonders I have seen wonders before, but the greatest wonder is what happens in the heart and mind of a forgiven Christian. Jas 2:14 "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" The greatest work is love.
"Our passion is to revive His Church, the Body of Christ, His tabernacle, His dwelling place, His sanctuary, His safe haven." - Doug Stanton
Christ does not need a "safe haven"!!!!! Christ formed this earth. God is God and I am not!!!!!!! He is Alpha and Omega. I am not even able to begin to express his greatness and majesty. Safe haven indeed! Read the book of Job.
Doug also says: "then we shall be a church ready to reach the world in unity. When we move in that unity, then God the Father can finally command the blessing, even life for ever more!"
We are not called to unity, except to the unity of God's word. read Matt 24:10-13
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
I have also found that Doug is closely associated with Myles Munroe who seems to be a Kingdom Now heretic. Beware!!!!! Please read the following.
Matthew, Chapter 24
03. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying,
Tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Did Jesus say you will see the restoration of the true prophets before he comes? FALSE
Matthew 24:11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Did Jesus say revival will encompass the nations and all Gods children will come into unity? FALSE
Matthew 24:10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Did Jesus say you will see love and unity through signs and wonders? FALSE
Matthew 24:24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Did Jesus say in the last days touch not the lords anointed and dont question there teaching? FALSE
Matthew24:04. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO MEET ME AT THE ZOO THEN GET AN EMAIL LIKE THIS? iT'S A SHAME THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME CORRECTING ERROR, IT REALLY CUTS DOWN ON THE WITNESSING, BUT I GUESS THAT IS SATANS OBJECTIVE
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 8:11:53 AM
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Dan1138
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It is called DMSI. They meet at the old movie theatre in Brooklyn Center. The adherents are VERY convincing. They were very nice people. The leader is Doug Stanton. Warn everyone before this garbage gets off the ground in MN, but either way God rules God reigns, GOD WINS
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 9:49:55 AM
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I am amazing more comments have not been made about the video where Todd has people smelling his hands - and then he claims that it is the smell of the Holy Spirit.
Maybe he was just scratching somewhere not so nice? As adults, is that too much to say?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 9:59:55 AM
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I am amazing more comments have not been made about the video where Todd has people smelling his hands - and then he claims that it is the smell of the Holy Spirit.
Maybe he was just scratching somewhere not so nice? As adults, is that too much to say?
I haven't commented on it because it is just too ridiculous. First, I don't need to pray for the Holy Spirit to anoint my hands with smelly oil. I have plenty of scented oil in my bathroom cabinet. Really, how hard would it be for TB to pick up an "anointed" hanky and then "wow...magic...my hands smell." His audience must be hypnotized to believe that is real.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 10:10:10 AM
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His audience must be hypnotized to believe that is real.
Well, that may explain things. How do you get anyone to snap out of it?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 10:14:36 AM
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earthless
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His audience must be hypnotized to believe that is real.
Well, that may explain things. How do you get anyone to snap out of it?
From my years of experience dealing with Word of Faith circles and cultic realms - many do not want to snap out of it.
"God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned."
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all sorts of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."
-2 Thessalonians 2:9,10
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 10:54:11 AM
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FYI
Mr. Bentley needs to listen to Living Sacrifice, not the music but lyrics. Checked them out today. Nothing untoward in any Living Sacrifice Lyrics, allthought their shirt has a disturbing image.
I found these lyric to be fascinating
Artist: Living Sacrifice
Album: Nonexistent
Song: Haven Of Blasphemy
Hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared
Deny consideration of the One to be feared
Abandoning the faith to follow spirits of deception
Their unsound teaching produce sowers of confusion
Prophets of dceit the word of God
Sowing wickedness reaping trouble from the rod
Though they claim to be the ones to obtain salvation
Their form of doctrine denies Christ's foundation
Haven of blasphemy
Hollow philosophies
Captives remain unfree
Slaves of depravity, whose destruction draws near
Secretly introduce the lies some long to hear
Hanging over them are the scales of condemnation
A false balance of weighted abomination
Haven of blasphemy
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 11:38:46 AM
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peacebringer
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ORIGINAL: peacebringer
FYI
Mr. Bentley needs to listen to Living Sacrifice, not the music but lyrics. Checked them out today. Nothing untoward in any Living Sacrifice Lyrics, allthought their shirt has a disturbing image.
I found these lyric to be fascinating
Artist: Living Sacrifice
Album: Nonexistent
Song: Haven Of Blasphemy
Hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared
Deny consideration of the One to be feared
Abandoning the faith to follow spirits of deception
Their unsound teaching produce sowers of confusion
Prophets of dceit the word of God
Sowing wickedness reaping trouble from the rod
Though they claim to be the ones to obtain salvation
Their form of doctrine denies Christ's foundation
Haven of blasphemy
Hollow philosophies
Captives remain unfree
Slaves of depravity, whose destruction draws near
Secretly introduce the lies some long to hear
Hanging over them are the scales of condemnation
A false balance of weighted abomination
Haven of blasphemy
Although as someone who has many Living Sacrifice CD's and has seen them live, I think he'd enjoy the music too. 
Clearly-
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 11:57:10 AM
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I am amazing more comments have not been made about the video where Todd has people smelling his hands - and then he claims that it is the smell of the Holy Spirit.
Palmar hyperhidrosis? Just a thought.
Palmar hyperhidrosis or excessive sweating of the hands which is profound and dramatic and affects all aspects of life including work and professional related activities, the activities of daily living and normal interpersonal social interactions. Rubbing the hands with a small amount of lotion can easily trigger sweaty hands. Sweaty hands can occur by meeting someone new for the first time or nervousness, emotional distress, or even being in a stressful situation. Severe or massive palmer hyperhidrosis cases sweat is literally seen to drip down from the hands.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 12:17:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: earthless
I am amazing more comments have not been made about the video where Todd has people smelling his hands - and then he claims that it is the smell of the Holy Spirit.
Maybe he was just scratching somewhere not so nice? As adults, is that too much to say?
I haven't commented on it because it is just too ridiculous. First, I don't need to pray for the Holy Spirit to anoint my hands with smelly oil. I have plenty of scented oil in my bathroom cabinet. Really, how hard would it be for TB to pick up an "anointed" hanky and then "wow...magic...my hands smell." His audience must be hypnotized to believe that is real.
How long till he's bottling that oil and selling a la Bible, Baptism, and Beyond?
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I think the smell my hands thing was just plain ill-mannered. 
I totally agree. I hadn't commented because I was just dumbfounded by it.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 12:23:24 PM
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From my years of experience dealing with Word of Faith circles and cultic realms - many do not want to snap out of it.
This is true! I've said before, reality is the only thing that can snap people out of this delusion. At some point, life takes a turn and these tricks and magic words no longer "work" and you have to decide A. either God doesn't exist or He lied, B. it's just me, I wasn't/I'm not good enough, or C. the stuff I've been taught was a load of hooey!
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Wanting (what someone says is)"all that God has for you" is no longer a walk by faith but a pursuit of what you think you're missing out on. At that point it's tough to say something is not of God because you can't stop "believing" until you get your piece of the pie.
That's great! Can I quote you on that? Really, I mean it.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 12:50:17 PM
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sirwintery
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Wanting (what someone says is)"all that God has for you" is no longer a walk by faith but a pursuit of what you think you're missing out on. At that point it's tough to say something is not of God because you can't stop "believing" until you get your piece of the pie.
That's great! Can I quote you on that? Really, I mean it.
If I accidentally say something that's of use, let the glory be to God and use it as you will. In other words no acknowledgement is necessary, feel free.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:02:08 PM
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But why am I opposed to this ‘Healing Revival’ so soon after it has been announced? -It is because I already know Todd Bentley’s ministry all too well, and this whole thing centers around him.
Todd Bentley actually has deep roots in the Prophetic movement, and he is one of the very few ministers that I have ever felt I had to publicly warn people about by name. -His ministry is that bad. False “angel” encounters of the weirdest kind, gold dust, guided visualizations of the “Third Heaven” that are straight out of the New Age, etc. And yet there is a “power” with it that makes it all the more dangerous.
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(-I say this as a strong Spirit-filled, tongues-speaking believer myself. I am by no means opposed to genuine miracles). Have we completely forgotten the warnings of “Lying signs and wonders” in the Last Days?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:07:42 PM
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Lapidoth
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Below is a testimony by Lynn Clark who is a Moderator at our website ‘RevivalSchool.com’. This is what she wrote about her involvement with Todd Bentley’s ministry:
“I decided to check out Patricia King (my note: see Extreme and Dangerous Teachings) and Todd Bentley and, ignorant of their ‘third heaven’ guided visualizations, attended a five day conference of Patricia King and then two of Todd Bentley’s conferences and began to imagine third heaven visitations - guided visualization - still not realizing that these are actually spirits of darkness - the New Age calls them spirit guides - demons is what they are. And so I bought Todd Bentley’s teaching on third heaven visitations and brought it home to listen to.
“I was in my living room laying on the floor listening to the teaching on how to visualize the third heaven and what to say and was getting caught up into his teaching and all of a sudden I began to shake uncontrollably and jerk and groan, and no sooner had this taken place I became frozen stiff - I could not move any part of my body and I knew this was a demon trying to take hold of me, and so with all the effort I could muster I cried out, “God save me -Jesus help me” - and as soon as I cried out to the Lord my body went limp. God spared me that night and I will be forever grateful.
“I spent much of the night in tears asking God to forgive me - and renouncing all the hands layed on me and all the awful deception I had opened myself up to…”
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:11:06 PM
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Lapidoth
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April 28, 2008
The following article appeared in Sunday’s Vancouver The Province newspaper (see here) about the “miracle mania” that has been attracting people from all over the world…
In search of a miracle
An Abbotsford preacher ignites a wave of miracle mania, drawing people from around the world and being broadcast into churches across Canada and the U.S.
Glenda Luymes, The Province
Published: Sunday, April 27, 2008
The lineups often stretch down the street. Hundreds of people, waiting for a miracle.
Over the past 25 days, an Abbotsford preacher has drawn more than 30,000 people to the Ignited Church in Lakeland, Florida.
What Todd Bentley thought would be five days of healing sessions and preaching has exploded into a roaring revival, with people coming from all over the world to be part of it. [...]
But the article also mentions this…
When The Province asked to speak to someone who had been healed through Bentley in either B.C. or Florida, Fresh Fire was unable to find someone at short notice, citing difficulties with outdated contact information locally, and record-keeping problems in Florida.
"all the better to see you with my dear"
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:15:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: csl7037
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ORIGINAL: laura...
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ORIGINAL: earthless
I am amazing more comments have not been made about the video where Todd has people smelling his hands - and then he claims that it is the smell of the Holy Spirit.
Maybe he was just scratching somewhere not so nice? As adults, is that too much to say?
I haven't commented on it because it is just too ridiculous. First, I don't need to pray for the Holy Spirit to anoint my hands with smelly oil. I have plenty of scented oil in my bathroom cabinet. Really, how hard would it be for TB to pick up an "anointed" hanky and then "wow...magic...my hands smell." His audience must be hypnotized to believe that is real.
How long till he's bottling that oil and selling a la Bible, Baptism, and Beyond?
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ORIGINAL: bluestone
I think the smell my hands thing was just plain ill-mannered.
I totally agree. I hadn't commented because I was just dumbfounded by it.
While it's possible to get in the flesh with comments as in Proverbs 10:19 When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise. (NIV)--still there might be a place for some harsher comments--so while I understand that reaction. I would ask you to recognize that religious bullies and fakes expect their victims and their opponents to play by the rules. That comment may not be pleasant to read but _how_does_it_balance_against fellow Christians exalting Bentley and buying into his Circus?
Way back in high school I felt embarassed when I heard other students singing "Pass the Loot" to the PTL club theme. But were they wrong? Didn't Jim and Tammy need some kind of wake-up call, and they weren't listening to any Christian admonishment (I think of the letter Pat Robertson sent them).
It surely must have been unpleasant for John the Baptist to stand outside the palace and holler about adultery all day, but he wasn't wrong. Wrong to Herod and those who accepted him, yes. Ridicule by the public may cause somebody to wake up. Does anyone here really believe that "God" is causing "oil" to flow from Bentley's hands?
It would surely shock somebody who was sitting there wondering why we would "dare" to quote scriptures and say that Bentley is wrong when they are literally afraid to speak against him. Doesn't that person need to see a shocking statement? In that context it was pretty mild.
I saw a comment on youtube where someone said they had posted a link to a Marjoe Gortner video in a discussion about Lakeland and it was removed and I think he was kicked off the board. Somebody like the forum operator there needs to be brought down a few notches in their thinking about Lakeland--they're afraid to examine it--I always say what's true will stand the scrutiny.
The recent lesson of a famous radio host was that _some_ people don't deserve to be made fun of. There are some though who should be ridiculed a little because they take to themselves glory that is not theirs.
Bentley and company dish it out and they can take it.
It's not everyone's cup of tea, and it may be just a guy thing, but sometimes a harsher word can wake somebody up--especially if it wakes up Todd with his accountability to Christ on the line.
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