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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:19:35 PM   
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DOUBLE PORTION contagion "piped" in to church.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:28:42 PM   
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False teachers can be distinctly defined because their characteristics are obvious enough and are clearly outlined in scripture. Yet it seems that so few believers recognize them in these modern times. The True Shepherd spoke much on this issue, yet it seems to be a greatly neglected subject today as though our generation is exempt and our Churches are not in any danger of false teachers.


Wolves in Sheep's Clothing

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Ted Brooks is known for his insight into Charismatic circles for he himself was formerly a Charismatic/Word of Faith pastor who openly approved of and promoted Toronto Blessing and Pensacola Revival type manifestations in his church and ministry.
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Table of Contents

Why are we laughing so hard that we can’t stand up?
Speaking From Personal Experience
Why Do People Fall Down When Prayed For?
These Issues are Hot Among North American Pentecostals
Fear of Missing Out
I Was Pretending {below excerpt}
Did Jesus do it?
Slain In The Spirit
The Glory Cloud
Raised Up By The Spirit
Is the Bible Silent About The New Revival Manifestations?


And We All Fall Down

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I Was Pretending
As time went on, I got quite good at pretending when I was "hit by the anointing." At one time in particular, I was hungry for a move of God in my life. I went forward for ministry at a campmeeting. I was so deceived by this time that I actually believed that falling down was the same as a work of God in my life.

The floor of the old chapel was uncarpeted, cold, bare concrete. I went forward to receive what the preacher had to impart. It was typical of many meetings I had attended over the years.

There were ushers standing behind those receiving prayer to catch them as they fell backwards to the floor. The preacher laid his hands upon me and I immediately "yielded" and fell backwards according to my traditions. In the middle of my descent to the cold hard concrete floor, I realized there wasn't a "catcher" behind me and in midair I heard the entire congregation "gasp" in unison. I'm sure the building lost air pressure for a second. My tall frame hit the concrete with a thud. I lay there in astonishment and wondered what I should do. I was so used to playing the game by that time that I just lay there and pretended that God was doing a work in my life. I did not do this to deceive people. It was my Charismatic theology which led me to believe that pretending was the same as faith.

For many years as a pastor, I watched people fall to the floor and do other strange things when I laid hands on them. We the preachers and we the people were well trained in this and we all knew what was expected of each other. We had quickly caught on to the traditions of the Charismatic Church.


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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:36:30 PM   
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This is exactly word for word what was spoken over Todd Bentley (from Fresh Fire Ministries) at the “Downpour Conference” on the Gold Coast in Australia, on March 8, 2008, by Pastor Rob DeLuca from New Zealand:

Todd, I saw a vision, and it’s concerning four revivals that are going to take to place in the world.
I saw a human boomerang flying out of Canada and it hit the nation of England, it hit the nation of Australia, it hit the nation of New Zealand, and it came spinning around.

I saw “Todd Bentley”–your name on the boomerang, but I knew that it was the Lord showing me that it was you, and I saw it fly back around and it came and hit America.


"Following the Tracks"

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BUT…are these the footprints of a prophet, or the tracks of a wolf?


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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:43:01 PM   
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A response in another forum:

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Sheena said:
May 17, 2008 at 3:55 am

I too am the only one in my church ( pentecostal) who started the alarm bells ringing and I have spent the past 5 days researching this Todd Bentley ..sadly, my pastors have jumped on a plane this week from Australia to go and ‘bring some back.’. they have been mesmerised ( their own words ) no mention of trying the spirits etc as we are taught to do in scripture..I for one will not be allowing hands laid on me when they get back ..very sad as this church has been my home for the past 8 years …truth seekers seem to be in the minority here !! I am getting the word out to as many as will take heed !! Keep up the good work !!


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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 1:47:22 PM   
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Two Kinds of False Prophets

Though a great many who are familiar with the Old and New Testaments are aware that there are false prophets, not as many realize that there are two major kinds of false prophets.

* The first, the lying false prophet, announces events or says things that do not come true. He is obviously a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:20-22). The penalty in Old Testament times was death for false prophets (18:20). This kind of false prophet is the most easily recognized and least dangerous of the two.

* The second kind of false prophet is more deceptive (Deuteronomy 13:1-3). He is impeccable in his words at first. An exhortation comes to pass. No fault can be found with his speech. Nevertheless, over time he draws the hearts of the people away from the Lord God Almighty. Finally, he leads them off to serve other gods. This kind of person is very dangerous, indeed the more dangerous of the two.


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Four Kinds of False Prophecy. . . . .

Four Characteristics of False Prophets. . . . . .

The Fourfold Message of the False Prophet. . . . . . .

Four Favorite Doctrines of False Prophets. . . . . . . .

Four Favorite Tactics of False Prophets. . . . . . . .

Four Main Weapons against False Prophets. . . . . . .

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 2:07:25 PM   
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Although as someone who has many Living Sacrifice CD's and has seen them live, I think he'd enjoy the music too.


Somehow I doubt he would enjoy them. Remember, they are Christians and their lyrics are convicting. And as has been proven here, TB is NOT a Christian, but a tool of the enemy


I'm suprised death metal growlings haven't become part of his show.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 2:07:41 PM   
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Below is a testimony by Lynn Clark who is a Moderator at our website ‘RevivalSchool.com’. This is what she wrote about her involvement with Todd Bentley’s ministry:

“I decided to check out Patricia King (my note: see Extreme and Dangerous Teachings) and Todd Bentley and, ignorant of their ‘third heaven’ guided visualizations, attended a five day conference of Patricia King and then two of Todd Bentley’s conferences and began to imagine third heaven visitations - guided visualization - still not realizing that these are actually spirits of darkness - the New Age calls them spirit guides - demons is what they are. And so I bought Todd Bentley’s teaching on third heaven visitations and brought it home to listen to.

“I was in my living room laying on the floor listening to the teaching on how to visualize the third heaven and what to say and was getting caught up into his teaching and all of a sudden I began to shake uncontrollably and jerk and groan, and no sooner had this taken place I became frozen stiff - I could not move any part of my body and I knew this was a demon trying to take hold of me, and so with all the effort I could muster I cried out, “God save me -Jesus help me” - and as soon as I cried out to the Lord my body went limp. God spared me that night and I will be forever grateful.

“I spent much of the night in tears asking God to forgive me - and renouncing all the hands layed on me and all the awful deception I had opened myself up to…”




This isn't a game of Tiddlywinks here.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 2:12:12 PM   
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One of the reply's to the video about Todd Bentley message.

"video's of tod less than 9:57 min. should be forbidden on youtube. I love his shows. From satan or from God, I don't care.
If it is from satan, I must say I never heard a satanworking talking this much about Jesus. Different from clips of Marillin Manson
or clips about the satan church. I agree, no bible teaching only healings, but I still love watching it. What is the destuction in me
after watching this? I think it doesn't harm me. Wolf in sheepsclothes or not. I just don't care."


They just don't care.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 2:45:25 PM   
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One of the reply's to the video about Todd Bentley message.

"video's of tod less than 9:57 min. should be forbidden on youtube. I love his shows. From satan or from God, I don't care.
If it is from satan, I must say I never heard a satanworking talking this much about Jesus. Different from clips of Marillin Manson
or clips about the satan church. I agree, no bible teaching only healings, but I still love watching it. What is the destuction in me
after watching this? I think it doesn't harm me. Wolf in sheepsclothes or not. I just don't care."


They just don't care.


And there it is.... that self-professing Christian is at least honest enough to outright admit what many that follow these things will not. That they do not care to bother with worrying if it is really something from God or not.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 3:01:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

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One of the reply's to the video about Todd Bentley message.

"video's of tod less than 9:57 min. should be forbidden on youtube. I love his shows. From satan or from God, I don't care.
If it is from satan, I must say I never heard a satanworking talking this much about Jesus. Different from clips of Marillin Manson
or clips about the satan church. I agree, no bible teaching only healings, but I still love watching it. What is the destuction in me
after watching this? I think it doesn't harm me. Wolf in sheepsclothes or not. I just don't care."


They just don't care.


And there it is.... that self-professing Christian is at least honest enough to outright admit what many that follow these things will not. That they do not care to bother with worrying if it is really something from God or not.


Amen, earthless.
I respect their honesty at least.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 3:11:54 PM   
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I've only watched half of the DOUBLE PORTION so far, and I'm just in disgust at how excited he is about being on T.V. and the new people that's at that meeting. If he would only get HALF that excited about someone coming to know Jesus! And, I'm sorry, but it just rubs the wrong way that he wants to send this "annointing" across the globe and he is referring to "healing". I don't care how many people are healed on this earth, we don't need to focus on earthly healing, but saving souls!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 3:27:43 PM   
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the registration fee was 35 dollars, but more if you paid at the door. It felt weird to have to pay to go to church like you would a concert or sports game.

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The first night it was jam-packed with everyone trying to get in. Because we had paid our fee in advance, we went to the pre-registered table. They required us to get these purple wrist-bands that we had to wear for three days (we could not take them off, not even to shower, or we could not get back in.). I am lucky my wrist is very small and I could slip mine on and off because they did not put it tight enough. It would have been obnoxious to have to sleep/shower with that thing on. They did not want anyone who had not paid to get in. They had ushers (guards?) at the doors to the sanctuary to make sure you had your wristband. They would check your wrist after you went to use the bathroom too, before they let you back in. I guess they were afraid of people getting the Holy Spirit or getting healed without paying for it first?

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Around the registration tables were tables piled full of things you can buy from the ministries, or outrageous prices, too. 25 dollars for a CD, or 30 bucks for a book. They had sets to teach you how to have experiences like Todd Bentley has (going up to the third heaven, meeting angels, etc, etc.) From Todd Bentley’s ministry you could also buy hankies and get Todd to pray over them, and transfer the anointing to them, so your sick relative or friend might be healed, or if they were healthy, just get an “explosion” of an anointing of the Holy Spirit. (based on people getting healed from Pauls’ hankies in Acts. I don’t think Paul made people pay for hankies though).

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One thing I noticed is they interrupted the service a lot to advertise products at the pulpit.

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When Todd Bentley finally spoke (I believe it was the 2nd day), the atmosphere in the room was like “Finally! The guy we have been waiting for!” And you could feel the room get excited in anticipation. He started out really energetic. There wasn’t any prayer beforehand. He was sweating within like 3 minutes. Not that there is anything wrong with sweat, but you could see the perspiration on his brow from the back of the room. What was weird, was that he said he was going to preach on a psalm. So we all got out our bibles. But every time he went to try to read the verse, he would begin to laugh, and stagger, and make weird noises. This made me EXTREMELY uncomfortable. It seemed as though he was mocking the scripture, by laughing at it when he began to read it.

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He laughed, snorted, and chortled through his entire speech. Whenever he would begin to mention something a scripture said, he would become incoherent. Why could he not read nor recite the scriptures without breaking into a fit?

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For my birthday (we had a birthday party for me and one of my friends while in Austin because our birthdays were that week), my friends had bought me Todd Bentley’s Autobiography and his cd, “marinating”. Listening to the CD disturbed my spirit.


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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 3:45:49 PM   
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Some Todd supporters who full well know when he got his tats, but cannot reconcile the fact their idol is lying to them, are claiming the media must have misreported what Todd said in the interview I reported on. Well, as well as my having heard Todd say the exact same thing on film in other media interviews, I also heard it directly from the horse’s mouth on a Lakeland broadcast recently.

On the 23rd June meeting at Lakeland (Todd’s commissioning service), this is what Todd said about his tattoos -

Todd claimed when he was 18 he said ‘God I want to be part of a global movement.’ When he was preaching to 20 people, he said ‘God, the biggest stadiums in the world are not going to be able to hold the masses.’ Todd said he wanted to preach to stadiums filled, but claims church people at the time said of him: ‘That tattooed preacher Todd Bentley, you’ll never go anywhere looking like that!’ My leadership team said: ‘Todd, I don’t know, you go all those tattoos on your body, I don’t know, they’re gonna hurt your ministry.’ ‘How many know God wants to use you as you are?’ then said Todd. The crowd then whistled, cheered and clapped.


Did someone say tattoo?

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:00:59 PM   
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Some more gems:

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God is patient with those who attack Him, but His patience also comes to an end: I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes.


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I rle feel that u have a huge problem with Tod Bently without any real reason and as the saying goes people put others down because they’re jelous themselves. For one the ministry is not centred on him because throughtout the outporing they have used other people aswell. Furthermore i have no problem with being dicserning and yes we have to question everything we see, however the questions you need to ask are 1) is God getting the glory 2)is is bible based and 3) are they things happening from God, the answer to all of these question in the revival are yes. If you have such a problem go and pray about it and then u will be able to claim these riduculous things but until then don’t put other people down to make yourself feel better!

Comment by Bekki | July 8, 2008


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Maybe everyone here should spend more time seeking the Lord and preaching the Kingdom Of Heaven is at hand and less time complaining and making your point to be the TRUTH.

Comment by Janet | July 10, 2008


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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:01:19 PM   
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I just want to say that it really is easy to be deceived by these false prophets. Someone in my church went to these meetings and they brought back the fire. The lady had the gold dust on her hands and she was showing everyone. I didn't bother to look because I didn't know about this revival or what was going on. My pastor told my daughter and myself about it and I got excited. After praise and worship these people that went to this meetings had the whole church go up to get a touch from God. I went up right away, but I turned around and my daughter was still standing by our seats. I wondered why she hadn't gone up. Eventually she did. When they laid hands on me I went down and I felt my ears burning really bad, I thought this was strange and I had never experienced this before. After church my daughter was very angry because she said they were blowing on her and that they were trying to force her to go down and because she wouldn't they were telling her to let go of the fear, she is 23. She said that what they were doing was not backed up by the bible and she didn't believe any of it. I tried to defend it and she kept telling me to show her where it says in the bible about gold dust. So then I decided to do research and went on to Todd's website and read his teachings and knew right away where it comes from. I also found this forum and I am so glad that I did. People that come in here and question that Todd is not a false prophet are blinded. From looking at the you tube videos you can just know. The lady that was shaking her head was so demonic, you could just see it in her face if you looked closely. That hissing noise she was making, sounded like a snake and guess what that means. I have one question, why are they not showing the meetings on t.v. anymore?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:02:20 PM   
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Todd Bentley's Details
Status: Married
Hometown: Abbotsford, BC
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Religion: Christian - other
Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
Children: Proud parent
Occupation: Revivalist/Preacher


Todd's myspace profile

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:04:57 PM   
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I just want to say that it really is easy to be deceived by these false prophets. Someone in my church went to these meetings and they brought back the fire. The lady had the gold dust on her hands and she was showing everyone. I didn't bother to look because I didn't know about this revival or what was going on. My pastor told my daughter and myself about it and I got excited. After praise and worship these people that went to this meetings had the whole church go up to get a touch from God. I went up right away, but I turned around and my daughter was still standing by our seats. I wondered why she hadn't gone up. Eventually she did. When they laid hands on me I went down and I felt my ears burning really bad, I thought this was strange and I had never experienced this before. After church my daughter was very angry because she said they were blowing on her and that they were trying to force her to go down and because she wouldn't they were telling her to let go of the fear, she is 23. She said that what they were doing was not backed up by the bible and she didn't believe any of it. I tried to defend it and she kept telling me to show her where it says in the bible about gold dust. So then I decided to do research and went on to Todd's website and read his teachings and knew right away where it comes from. I also found this forum and I am so glad that I did. People that come in here and question that Todd is not a false prophet are blinded. From looking at the you tube videos you can just know. The lady that was shaking her head was so demonic, you could just see it in her face if you looked closely. That hissing noise she was making, sounded like a snake and guess what that means. I have one question, why are they not showing the meetings on t.v. anymore?


God bless you and God bless your wonderful daughter for having more discernment in one finger than a lot of self-professing older Christians have.

Equip yourself - get into the Word and get the Word into you. Seek out those that actually preach and adhere to sound doctrine. And not those that are at best, operating from the flesh. At worst, operating from the demonic realm.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:06:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

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Todd Bentley's Details
Status: Married
Hometown: Abbotsford, BC
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Religion: Christian - other
Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
Children: Proud parent
Occupation: Revivalist/Preacher


Todd's myspace profile


The comments on his MySpace are heart breaking to read...

And from his profile:

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Who I'd like to meet:
More face to face encounters with Jesus, King David, Paul the Apostle

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:07:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: waffles5

I just want to say that it really is easy to be deceived by these false prophets. Someone in my church went to these meetings and they brought back the fire. The lady had the gold dust on her hands and she was showing everyone. I didn't bother to look because I didn't know about this revival or what was going on. My pastor told my daughter and myself about it and I got excited. After praise and worship these people that went to this meetings had the whole church go up to get a touch from God. I went up right away, but I turned around and my daughter was still standing by our seats. I wondered why she hadn't gone up. Eventually she did. When they laid hands on me I went down and I felt my ears burning really bad, I thought this was strange and I had never experienced this before. After church my daughter was very angry because she said they were blowing on her and that they were trying to force her to go down and because she wouldn't they were telling her to let go of the fear, she is 23. She said that what they were doing was not backed up by the bible and she didn't believe any of it. I tried to defend it and she kept telling me to show her where it says in the bible about gold dust. So then I decided to do research and went on to Todd's website and read his teachings and knew right away where it comes from. I also found this forum and I am so glad that I did. People that come in here and question that Todd is not a false prophet are blinded. From looking at the you tube videos you can just know. The lady that was shaking her head was so demonic, you could just see it in her face if you looked closely. That hissing noise she was making, sounded like a snake and guess what that means. I have one question, why are they not showing the meetings on t.v. anymore?


Welcome, welcome, welcome, to crosswalk waffles5.

Isn't it amazing that our kids have to put us straight?
I was wrapped up in the WoF tragedy and my son kept
saying things that stabbed my conscience and caused me
to dig into the background too. Thank God for the wisdom
our kids display.

Again, welcome aboard.
These watchmen are doing a good job IMHO.
Thanks again to those in this thread.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:12:16 PM   
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OH!!! I almost forgot, mom and pops were watching God TV when revival first broke, and something about Gold Teeth and favor was said, And both of my parents dental fillings have turned to pure gold!!!


What a prude I am, I have such a hard time "believing" this! LOL.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:25:54 PM   
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What was it that was distracting the Colossians and causing them to lose their focus? It was a preoccupation with their own spirituality. They were obsessed with how to be “spiritual” and had become preoccupied with supernatural phenomena such as visions and angelic visitations (2:18). In Col. 2:18 Paul refers to the worship of angels and what he [the heretical teacher] has seen, i.e., visions (NIV). The word “worship” in this passage is a translation of the Greek word threskia and is not the normal word for “worship” in the New Testament. Besides Col. 2:18 it is found in only three other places in the New Testament, Acts 26:3 and James 1:26-27 where it is translated as “religion.” The point seems to be that the Colossians had developed a “religious” fascination with angels and visions.

Why is this a problem? Their fascination with such sensational phenomena has distracted them from their one and only true Source, Jesus Christ. Because of their fascination with esoteric, sensational phenomena, they are no longer, Holding fast to the Head from whom all the body, nourished and knit together …grows with an increase that is from God (2:19) This is serious, for only by abiding in Christ and holding fast to Him can the Colossians experience the fullness of salvation and arrive at spiritual maturity.

To complicate matters, the spiritual experiences, with which they are so enamored, have become a basis for pride. They consider themselves a notch above other Christians because of these supernatural encounters. They are an elite group. Although they purport to be humble, it is a false humility that is betrayed by their attitudes and actions [2:18]. Perhaps referring to their most prominent teacher, Paul says that he, like his followers, is vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind

Has the Contemporary Prophetic Movement Lost Its Focus?

As I sat on the platform and listened to the “big name” guest speaker, I was amazed at how closely what I was hearing coincided with The Colossian Heresy that I had just delineated. This person talked almost exclusively of visions, prophecies and angelic visitations. This individual emphasized the importance of prayer, not for knowing Christ, but as a means of experiencing these sensational phenomena. Jesus certainly was not front and center and I am not even sure if He was mentioned. It was incredible! And it raised the very serious question in my mind, “Has the prophetic movement lost its focus?” Is the “The Colossian Heresy” being repeated?


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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:31:16 PM   
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Thank you Lapidoth and earthless. I really do thank God for my daughter who had the wisdom to question this whole thing. I am amazed that a revivalist/minister would put his Zodiac sign on his profile. My daughter and I have already made up our minds that if there is any of this silliness going on at our church we will be leaving it. It is very sad for me because I love my pastor and his wife, but I think that it is the responsibility of the leaders of a church to research these kind of things, and besides if they can't see what is going on then you have to question their walk with the Lord.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:36:51 PM   
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think that it is the responsibility of the leaders of a church to research these kind of things, and besides if they can't see what is going on then you have to question their walk with the Lord.


it is the responsibility of church leaders to be the "gate-keepers" of the flock and prevent heresy from entering into the body.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:38:40 PM   
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Mark Haville's is an extraordinary story. Converted into the Pentecostal/Charismatic church he quickly came under the spell of the Word-Faith teaching of men like Kenneth Copeland. But things did not stay that way for Mark...

Still in his mid-20's, Mark became an itinerant minister travelling the country earning large sums of money through his ability to perform 'signs and wonders'. Remarkably, he has renounced his former life, his beliefs, and his practices as a Word-Faith minister and is now speaking out boldly against the beliefs and practices of the current Signs and Wonders movement.


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THE RIGHT ATMOSPHERE

EN: "You maintain then that you were able to induce an atmosphere that was conducive to hypnotic suggestion?"

MH: Absolutely. The techniques are no different to those used by any practising hypnotist. First, the people in these meetings are already coming with high expectancy - they want it to be God. Second, you need to create the right atmosphere - hence the long periods of singing certain types of songs to make people feel relaxed and warm.

EN: "What kind of praise and worship?"

MH: It is very important to use songs and words that are focused on the Holy Spirit. This creates a far more mystical atmosphere. Songs full of Christian or Biblical doctrine work against people suspending their critical faculties. The effect is to create a mindlessness that will open your audience up to suggestion. Most people have no idea just how powerful suggestion can be. Let me add that all this is not necessarily done wilfully by leaders. This is something many of them have stumbled upon. It works, so they do it and call it "the Holy Spirit".


WoF = Faith "in" Faith

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EN: "How did you use what you saw in this material?"

MH: Basically, I copied it. I learned gradually to do what all these speakers like Copeland, Cerullo, Benny Hinn and others do. They manipulate audiences and individuals simply by the power of suggestion. They call the result 'signs and wonders'. They are deluded. Gradually, I too had learned the process of controlling meetings and inducing hypnotic techniques through suggestion in churches. I did many of the so-called signs and wonders.

(PG: I was shown a video of a meeting held at a Pentecostal fellowship in Leeds being run by Mark. He explained the staged process of audience manipulation as things progressed. After a long period of singing what Mark described as 'relaxing' Spirit-focused songs, he appeared to be able to blow individuals over at will. They then remained on the ground for long periods - what is commonly termed 'slaying in the spirit').


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EN: "Will it affect everyone at the meeting?"

MH: No, not at all. If you do not believe that it is God that is doing these things in the meeting, there is no way you will fall down. But remember, I am the one running the show. Just like any good hypnotist, I will be 'working' the audience. I can tell which ones are the more suggestive by asking certain questions. I can then bring people forward, having gotten them into a very relaxed and accepting state. You have to remember, people who come really want to believe that God is at work. By telling them to stand in a particular place I am strongly influencing their belief that by standing where I have told them - on that exact spot - something is going to happen. By telling them someone will stand behind them, because we wouldn't want them to get hurt if they fall, it is all heightening the sense of anticipation and suggestiveness. The rest is easy.


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I learned these techniques by watching others, and anybody can do them given enough training. They are psychological techniques - nothing else.


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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:46:56 PM   
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I sat down today to pull together some notes and observations that I really feel I need to have ready and be prepared to share with people. This is just not going away in my little circle here a few miles down the road from Lakeland. When my Pastor said last week he was planning to go to Lakeland (seeking healing himself), I was horrified! I need to have my head together to be able to discuss this rationally and calmly when I need to with whomever I need to.

So I feel like I'm making progress, I've got about a 7 page Word doc already and I look at the paper I started first making notes on - I'm not 1/3 through it! And I'm trying to be concise and just focus on what I think is really important. This could take me days to get together! My I'm plugging along for my own benefit, if nothing else. I'm learning a lot in the process.

Question: Has anyone seen any honest to goodness testimonies of true healing? Besides Bentley himself claiming something and waiving around a piece of paper that's supposedly some medical report. I think he promised such reports to both Geraldo and ABC News but never produced any. I read somewhere that his staff was working on something - don't see that either.
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