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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:50:29 PM
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Lapidoth
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Question: Has anyone seen any honest to goodness testimonies of true healing? Besides Bentley himself claiming something and waiving around a piece of paper that's supposedly some medical report. I think he promised such reports to both Geraldo and ABC News but never produced any. I read somewhere that his staff was working on something - don't see that either.
I've been seeking some verifiable source myself. Haven't found a thing.
Just "alleged" as they say on the news.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:53:03 PM
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EN: "What caused you to look again at what you were doing and believed?"
MH: In a nutshell - the Scriptures themselves. I decided that I wanted to learn the Scriptures in the original Greek and I began to realise that what I believed didn't match up with what the Scriptures actually taught.
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EN: "What about the numbers the Faith and signs and wonders movement claim are saved?"
MH: This is self-deluding exaggeration based on faulty theology of conversion. They teach commitment to a message rather than conviction by the gospel. They need figures to validate their ministry for the continued solicitation of funds.
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EN: "What would you say then to those caught in the current signs and wonders movement?"
MH: Jesus did more signs and wonders than anybody else and at the end of His ministry He only had about 500 followers. Anyone caught up in the current trend towards belief in a great end-time restoration of the Church must first realise that this kind of revival is the opposite of what scripture promises. What Jesus did promise is the falling away of professing Christians, and an influx of false 'anointed' ones.
If we are truly living at the imminent return of Christ, where are those things that God promised must take place?
I would say to my brothers and sisters in these movements that you may well not be conscious that what you believe is other people's opinion on Scripture, as I did. You would do well to heed the words of Martin Luther - 'Sola Scriptura'.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 4:59:45 PM
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Many of you guys probably got this too, but here it is for those who didn't:
Fresh Fire Ministries announced yesterday that Todd Bentley would be taking some time off to refresh and to rest from the Florida Outpouring after nearly one hundred days of ministry. The Lakeland meetings will continue and Todd will remain the leader of this move of God.
GOD TV as the exclusive broadcast partner in the outpouring knows our viewers have been incredibly blessed through our nightly broadcasts with many lives changed, bodies healed and souls refreshed - we have thousands of e-mails testifying to the work of God in your lives.
We will continue to stream the LIVE services from Lakeland every night on our website (www.god.tv/stream – the Florida Healing Stream) and also make available the most recent service via our on demand platform. However we will take the opportunity to rearrange our broadcast schedules and bring you some incredible primetime programming - including the 2008 Hillsong Australia Conference EXCLUSIVELY on GOD TV, Rodney Howard Browne's Summer Campmeetings LIVE and many more programmes - PLUS highlights of some of the best nights from the Lakeland Outpouring - this will also all form part of our Battle For Britain initiative in the UK.
We will make another announcement once Todd is fully refreshed and rested about the resumption of our LIVE broadcasts from Lakeland - but until then, you can continue to enjoy the nightly meetings LIVE at www.god.tv/stream and if you are watching on GOD TV then you have lots of great programmes to look forward to plus highlights from the outpouring.
Eli Miller, a senior leader of Fresh Fire Ministries and a long time associate of Todd Bentley announced today that Todd Bentley, leader of the Florida Outpouring, will be taking some time off. “We are grateful for our partnership with GOD TV that has allowed this revival to go around the world”, Miller said. While the revival will continue, the leaders of Fresh Fire believe it is important for Todd to take some time to re-fresh and to rest.
During this tim e, the revival broadcast will still be available LIVE on the GOD TV website and at Fresh Fire’s website www.freshfire.ca.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 5:00:25 PM
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Research carried out in 1994 amongst a number of Christians from many different backgrounds revealed that almost 100% believed the 'Word-Faith' message is merely the gospel plus healing and prosperity on demand. None of those surveyed had any idea of the depth of heresy and extent of error in this movement. (Extract from 'The Faith Movement May Be Prospering But Is It Healthy?', by Stuart St. John: 95 pence booklet available from Reachout Trust, 24 Ormond Road, Richmond, England).
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 5:05:47 PM
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"I know Todd started off OK - I was there in his early meetings? In September 2000 I stood in front of Todd and gave him the warning that God gave me for him. "Beware, the leaven of the Pharisees, lest an angelic leaven enters your ministry."
"One month later, according to Todd's own account, at a meeting in Grants Pass Oregon, Cal Pierce walked in with Branham's 'Healing Revival' angel in tow, Todd saw and accepted this spirit without reservation. His 'angels' have been with him ever since.
"I have written to Todd on numerous occasions and reminded him of God's warning, alas to no avail.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 5:06:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: 2shaye
Many of you guys probably got this too, but here it is for those who didn't:
Fresh Fire Ministries announced yesterday that Todd Bentley would be taking some time off to refresh and to rest from the Florida Outpouring after nearly one hundred days of ministry. The Lakeland meetings will continue and Todd will remain the leader of this move of God.
GOD TV as the exclusive broadcast partner in the outpouring knows our viewers have been incredibly blessed through our nightly broadcasts with many lives changed, bodies healed and souls refreshed - we have thousands of e-mails testifying to the work of God in your lives.
We will continue to stream the LIVE services from Lakeland every night on our website (www.god.tv/stream – the Florida Healing Stream) and also make available the most recent service via our on demand platform. However we will take the opportunity to rearrange our broadcast schedules and bring you some incredible primetime programming - including the 2008 Hillsong Australia Conference EXCLUSIVELY on GOD TV, Rodney Howard Browne's Summer Campmeetings LIVE and many more programmes - PLUS highlights of some of the best nights from the Lakeland Outpouring - this will also all form part of our Battle For Britain initiative in the UK.
We will make another announcement once Todd is fully refreshed and rested about the resumption of our LIVE broadcasts from Lakeland - but until then, you can continue to enjoy the nightly meetings LIVE at www.god.tv/stream and if you are watching on GOD TV then you have lots of great programmes to look forward to plus highlights from the outpouring.
Eli Miller, a senior leader of Fresh Fire Ministries and a long time associate of Todd Bentley announced today that Todd Bentley, leader of the Florida Outpouring, will be taking some time off. “We are grateful for our partnership with GOD TV that has allowed this revival to go around the world”, Miller said. While the revival will continue, the leaders of Fresh Fire believe it is important for Todd to take some time to re-fresh and to rest.
During this tim e, the revival broadcast will still be available LIVE on the GOD TV website and at Fresh Fire’s website www.freshfire.ca.
Todd must be getting another tattoo. Maybe his new body art will be featured on Miami Ink.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 5:07:51 PM
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It's not everyone's cup of tea, and it may be just a guy thing, but sometimes a harsher word can wake somebody up--especially if it wakes up Todd with his accountability to Christ on the line.
It would be nice if that worked but he's lashing out in videos I'm seeing now at the "heresy hunters" posting on You Tube. His heart is pretty hardened, IMO. As far as "waking somebody up", it sounds like the reasoning I got from a friend last night...I was telling her about Bentley's antics and kicking that poor woman in the face. She said "maybe the lady needed to be kicked in the face" - what do you even say to that?!!??!
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Todd Bentley's Details
Status: Married
Hometown: Abbotsford, BC
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Religion: Christian - other
Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
Children: Proud parent
Occupation: Revivalist/Preacher
Todd's myspace profile
Actually, I think myspace automatically generates the zodiac sign from your birthdate when setting up an account.
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Thank you Lapidoth and earthless. I really do thank God for my daughter who had the wisdom to question this whole thing. I am amazed that a revivalist/minister would put his Zodiac sign on his profile. My daughter and I have already made up our minds that if there is any of this silliness going on at our church we will be leaving it. It is very sad for me because I love my pastor and his wife, but I think that it is the responsibility of the leaders of a church to research these kind of things, and besides if they can't see what is going on then you have to question their walk with the Lord.
Wasn't it at your church that this "silliness" already started? Or was that service you talked about somewhere else? I'm in the same boat. Really upset and disappointed in seeing this creeping into my church. I'm definitely on hold right now. If my Pastor goes down this road, I'll be gone.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 5:46:10 PM
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The people were at my church, but my pastor doesn't seem to be that into it. He has been pretty busy with the fourth of Jluy tent our church put up. I didn't go this past week so I don't know what is going on. I will have to see next time I go. I will not let anyone lay hands on me that have gone over there either.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 7:04:29 PM
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It's not everyone's cup of tea, and it may be just a guy thing, but sometimes a harsher word can wake somebody up--especially if it wakes up Todd with his accountability to Christ on the line.
It would be nice if that worked but he's lashing out in videos I'm seeing now at the "heresy hunters" posting on You Tube. His heart is pretty hardened, IMO. As far as "waking somebody up", it sounds like the reasoning I got from a friend last night...I was telling her about Bentley's antics and kicking that poor woman in the face. She said "maybe the lady needed to be kicked in the face" - what do you even say to that?!!??!
Yes, sadly I have less hope for Bentley waking up than I do someone who might see discernment comments in a video or on a website.
For your friend let's follow that concept further. Shall Todd print up "Kick the Sick" t-shirts so supporters of his punitive pastorate can show the world how they feel?
I forgot to post this to help you with the quotes you were looking for, but here it is now. Look at post 2310 and follow the link to EPTV.
The youtube clip "Is Todd Bentley devil possessed?" has TB stating that he had been involved in the occult and satanic worship. I think it was linked twice in these pages and I don't recall to have heard anyone mention that "revelation" Todd gives of himself. There is some analogy to Simon the sorcerer from Acts chapter 8 in that the approach to the occult, doing things or paying some kind of price for power is not the approach to God. We submit ourselves to God, doing His work in agreement with Him as He leads. We don't need to feel driven or obsessed to get to Lakeland and perform enough during praise time to get God's attention. Even as God gives faith to pray with expectancy it contrasts with placing hope in a carnival sideshow where going is a gamble with a "win now and worry later" attitude setting up a certain disappointment later. And they don't admit it's wrong even when they see it because of pride.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
(Proverbs 16:18)
Lakeland let-down? T-i-m-b-e-r-r-r-r-r!!!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 10:44:53 PM
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Wow, my head is spinning, I have to go get some sleep. I've been chasing links all day and learning so much. I was just reading this article about William Branham. He's from my hometown! I had no idea. One fascinating observation I just came across....
Branham’s angel told him "As the prophet Moses was given two gifts, signs to vindicate his ministry, so will you be given two." He said, "One of them will be that you’ll take the person that you’re praying for by the hand, with your left hand and their right," and said, "then just stand quiet, and there’ll be a physical effect that’ll happen on your body. Then you pray. And if it leaves, the disease is gone from the people. If it doesn’t leave, just ask a blessing and walk away." [Think about how Bentley just drops “ministry” when the person doesn’t “feel” anything and seems to just get bored with it and move on to the next.]
He said, "And the next thing will be, if they won’t hear that, then they will hear this. Then it’ll come to pass that you’ll know the very secret of their heart." This they will hear."
…interestingly, Todd Bentley claims that a male "angel" named "Healing Revival"[6] worked with him in many past healings: When he comes," said Bentley, "I get... the ability to diagnose people's sicknesses with my left hand.... I get very accurate details from God.... And whenever this angel shows up the miracles go off the charts."
Bob Jones' angel, Branham's formula - is he trying to mimick or "one up" his predecessors?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/11/2008 11:20:51 PM
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Here's a new thought I'd love to see us discuss a little bit in here... how / why do you think Todd Bentley got to the place where he is now? He's been 'in the ministry' for 10 years now... do you think he started out as a genuine believer and somewhere along the way, wandered off the path, or do you think that his ministry is (as some people have stated on here) a total sham, or possibly even demonic in nature? Give some reasons and evidences to back up what you believe. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this question...
p.s. as a side note - when you are quoting other people's messages, try to just quote the relevant parts of their message that you are responding to, as this thread fills up so quickly with multiple quotes of quotes etc. - do you know what I mean? We have people quoting messages that have quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 6:45:25 AM
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Here's a new thought I'd love to see us discuss a little bit in here... how / why do you think Todd Bentley got to the place where he is now? He's been 'in the ministry' for 10 years now... do you think he started out as a genuine believer and somewhere along the way, wandered off the path, or do you think that his ministry is (as some people have stated on here) a total sham, or possibly even demonic in nature? Give some reasons and evidences to back up what you believe. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this question...
I went to Benny Hinn's church in Orlando a few times in what I would consider "the early days". Something real was truly happening there. When and where he went off the deep end, I'm really not sure.
I was not aware of TB at all till he set up camp right down the road from me. Can't say I know anything about his early ministry. But I have read things he wrote and quotes from things he said as far back as 1990 and even that made me cringe. I want to think he means well but is confused. But the more I read, and the more I see, the more I'm really not sure about that.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 10:58:56 AM
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Question: Has anyone seen any honest to goodness testimonies of true healing? Besides Bentley himself claiming something and waiving around a piece of paper that's supposedly some medical report. I think he promised such reports to both Geraldo and ABC News but never produced any. I read somewhere that his staff was working on something - don't see that either.
I've been seeking some verifiable source myself. Haven't found a thing.
Just "alleged" as they say on the news.
The only thing I've seen is that clip where they wave the x-ray film around, but you never get to see what they're supposedly seeing.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 12:00:02 PM
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Question: Has anyone seen any honest to goodness testimonies of true healing? Besides Bentley himself claiming something and waiving around a piece of paper that's supposedly some medical report. I think he promised such reports to both Geraldo and ABC News but never produced any. I read somewhere that his staff was working on something - don't see that either.
I've been seeking some verifiable source myself. Haven't found a thing.
Just "alleged" as they say on the news.
The only thing I've seen is that clip where they wave the x-ray film around, but you never get to see what they're supposedly seeing.
This is from an article on Bentley/Lakeland in my morning newspaper today:
"Bentley's ministry distributed a list of 15 people it said were cured, and vetted by his ministry, with all but three of their stories “medically verified.”
Yet two phone numbers given out by the ministry were wrong, six people did not return telephone messages and only two of the remainder, when reached by The Associated Press, said they had medical records as proof of their miracle cure. However, one woman would not make her physician available to confirm the findings, and the other's doctor did not return calls despite the patient's authorization."
Now unless I'm mistaken, thousands have been coming to Lakeland every day for over 100 days and every day TB claims multiple healings have taken place...and that's all he's got to show for it?
Get a grip people, this is a joke!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 12:15:30 PM
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Apparently, Rodney Howard-Browne has moved the circus over to Tampa by I-4. Watched some of the goings-on until I felt dirty. No Scripture. Just him saying "fire" with out of control laughter and people getting "slain in the spirit."
Wonder what happend to Bentley he was moved so quickly off the stage?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 12:37:46 PM
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I think he was just tired.
Can't blame him for needed a little vacation.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 12:52:46 PM
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I think he was just tired.
Can't blame him for needed a little vacation.
Must be hard racking in all that dough with his false teachings. Go to his web site, he charges a fortune for his "seminars." One can give $500 per month and use a special enterance to the circus.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 1:00:23 PM
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I think he was just tired.
Can't blame him for needed a little vacation.
Must be hard racking in all that dough with his false teachings. Go to his web site, he charges a fortune for his "seminars." One can give $500 per month and use a special enterance to the circus.
Wow, I wonder how he (or his followers) reconsile that with James 2:1-4 "My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. If you show special attention to the man wearing the fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "you stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?"
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 2:43:34 PM
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Someone with some power started thinking there could be a lawsuit if TB's antics were allowed to continue unchecked....
My guess is that there was/is small print on the ticket that has something to the effect that by using the ticket one vows not to hold Bentley or any of his henchmen repsonsible should injury occur. What heppened to "silver and gold have we none, but rise in the name of Christ"?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 2:45:25 PM
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Apparently, Rodney Howard-Browne has moved the circus over to Tampa by I-4. Watched some of the goings-on until I felt dirty. No Scripture. Just him saying "fire" with out of control laughter and people getting "slain in the spirit."
Wonder what happend to Bentley he was moved so quickly off the stage?
No way! The fairgrounds or something?? Or just having meetings at "The River"?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 3:04:06 PM
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Wouldn't it be awesome if a bunch of us from this forum could converge on Lakeland, "crash" the freak show, and right there on God-less TV, interrupt the "anointing", and pray enthusiastically against this circus.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 3:34:08 PM
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No way! The fairgrounds or something?? Or just having meetings at "The River"?
Don't know..all the tag line states is Tampa campgrounds. Grew up in Tampa but have been away 25 years so don't know what you mean by "The River." All that I know is that this "show" disgusted me more than Todd's.
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that went through all that rigamarole to endorse Bentley can come out just as much ahead with their audience (fan-base is what I want to say) by _removing_ their endorsement of Todd if he messes up too bad as they will by endorsing him while he's a hot commodity.
