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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/12/2008 3:58:22 PM
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The "yuck factor" is highly increased for me
It is a judgment of God upon His people that so many of us are getting what we want -- religious experiences -- while the gospel of the King is dishonored before the watching world.
I like Hank Hannegraf's take -- when we have REFORMATION within the church, we'll see revival in the surrounding community. The Lakeland events, Hank says, are having zero impact for God's glory in Lakeland. If this is not the case, fill us in on the news we're missing, friends!
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/12/2008 4:11:21 PM
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Did a brief Goggle search on the words "Prophetic Order." What came up is sobering as to what is infiltrating the Church.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 5:12:30 PM
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I think he was just tired.
Can't blame him for needed a little vacation.
Oh yeah! One could get weary after punching end-stage Cancer patients in the stomach, kicking old lady's in the face, and beating someone's legs like a baseball bat...that's a real workout! Not to mention all the effort he exerts when he has to push and hold people down when they refuse to go down when he blows on them.
I sorta think someone with some power may have gotten the heebie-jeebies over some of that
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Someone with some power started thinking there could be a lawsuit if TB's antics were allowed to continue unchecked....
just sayin'! 
Or, it actually could be that over nights in a row can wear a person out.
Actually, after further research, I found that TB abruptly took his break following a Nightline broadcast that portrayed the Lakeland Outpouring in a poor light.
From ABC News:
"UPDATE: After this story aired on "Nightline," Fresh Fire Ministries released a statement announcing that preacher Todd Bentley would be taking time off "to refresh and to rest" after having spent four months in Lakeland, Fla., leading revival meetings. In the meantime their Lakeland broadcasts on GOD TV are put on hold. "
You can see part of the broadcast HERE.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 6:42:35 PM
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Let's just pray for three things: (1) That this is a permanent rest and this thing gets shut down soon; (2) Todd would repent of his errors and truly be a follower of Christ; and (3) That God will have mercy on those who may be hurt by this deception, we don't need a bunch of people bitter and angry over the false claims and the stage show abandoning ship. They truly need the Gospel preached too them and the body of Christ there helping pick up the pieces through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Amen! I will join you in this prayer!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/12/2008 6:57:29 PM
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I was able to locate Part II of the Nightline piece on TB HERE
After viewing it, I understand why he needed to take a break.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/13/2008 1:40:09 AM
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OK, I've pulled together 20-something pages of info on what's going on in Lakeland (just in case I need it). Anyone who would like to see it can pm me and I'll email it (it's a Word doc) - unless/until I find a good way to post it to direct you to it. I'd welcome thoughts and recommendations. I feel like I've only scratched the surface.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 2:34:04 AM
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Condemn not, lest you be condemned is The Word of The Lord Jesus, though.
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I've been deemed less than enlightened by Charasmaniacs as well. We aren't the ones kicking cancer patients in the stomach and we're less spiritual? Go figure.
This is really offensive and hurtful. I'm charismatic and condemn Lakeland and WOF unequivocally. What if I referred to you as a Fundeadmentalist? Wouldn't be too Christ-like would it? Again, really, really insulting.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 4:46:25 AM
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I never really cared much for the lakeland thing. I posted my reasons why on the back pages but some of you are salivating over rhe dirt that's pulled up on bently. look at all the many pages dedicated to arguing about this guy. Just goes to prove what much of the body of Christ is really into. WE LOOOOOVE dirty laundry!
I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry
Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I dont have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em all around
We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry
Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
Running bet
Get the widow on the set!
We need dirty laundry
You dont really need to find out whats going on
You dont really want to know just how far its gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre stiff
Kick em all around
Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybodys pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry
We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When its said and done we havent told you a thing
We all know that **** is king
Give us dirty laundry!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 8:11:37 AM
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I never really cared much for the lakeland thing. I posted my reasons why on the back pages but some of you are salivating over rhe dirt that's pulled up on bently. look at all the many pages dedicated to arguing about this guy. Just goes to prove what much of the body of Christ is really into. WE LOOOOOVE dirty laundry!
More like "foaming at the mouth" - this stuff is creeping into my church so, I admit, it's making e crazy. If the guy was just annoying or even just had some personal failing as so many ministers do, it would be wrong to attack him. What he is doing (along with so many others) is downright demonic. If you don't believe me, you might need to get your hands dirty in a little of that laundry. I wont sit by while everyone around me falls for this nonsense.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 8:28:25 AM
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kisstheson,
Do you prefer that no Christians bother obey the Word when it comes to false teachers such as Todd Bentley?
What would you prefer happen? Sincerely asking.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 8:50:21 AM
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Condemn not, lest you be condemned is The Word of The Lord Jesus, though.
"Many tender-minded Christians fear to sin against love by daring to inquire into anything that comes wearing the cloak of Christianity and breathing the name of Jesus. They dare not examine the credentials of the latest prophet to hit their town lest they be guilty of rejecting something which may be of God. They timidly remember how the Pharisees refused to accept Christ when He came, and they do not want to be caught in the same snare, so they either reserve judgment or shut their eyes and accept everything without question. This is supposed to indicate a high degree of spirituality. But in sober fact it indicates no such thing. It may indeed be evidence of the absence of the Holy Spirit. Gullibility is not synonymous with spirituality. Faith is not a mental habit leading its possessor to open his mouth and swallow everything that has about it the color of the supernatural. Faith keeps its heart open to whatever is of God, and rejects everything that is not of God, however wonderful it may be. Try the spirits is a command of the Holy Spirit to the Church. We may sin as certainly by approving the spurious as by rejecting the genuine. And the current habit of refusing to take sides is not the way to avoid the question. To appraise things with a heart of love and then to act on the results is an obligation resting upon every Christian in the world. And the more as we see the day approaching."
- A. W. Tozer
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 9:10:41 AM
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Condemn not, lest you be condemned is The Word of The Lord Jesus, though.
And used out of context like this, it is the cry of post modern moral relativism.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 9:17:29 AM
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Condemn not, lest you be condemned is The Word of The Lord Jesus, though.
And used out of context like this, it is the cry of post modern moral relativism.
Which is so contrary to God's Word that it is unreal to see self-professing Christians use it.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 9:40:24 AM
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Worth repeating!
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Gullibility is not synonymous with spirituality. Faith is not a mental habit leading its possessor to open his mouth and swallow everything that has about it the color of the supernatural. Faith keeps its heart open to whatever is of God, and rejects everything that is not of God, however wonderful it may be. Try the spirits is a command of the Holy Spirit to the Church. We may sin as certainly by approving the spurious as by rejecting the genuine. And the current habit of refusing to take sides is not the way to avoid the question.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 10:46:22 AM
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I never really cared much for the lakeland thing. I posted my reasons why on the back pages but some of you are salivating over rhe dirt that's pulled up on bently. look at all the many pages dedicated to arguing about this guy. Just goes to prove what much of the body of Christ is really into. WE LOOOOOVE dirty laundry!
No, it has nothing to to do with pulling up TB's dirty laundry, God knows his dirt follows him wherever he goes. Sexually assaulting a child is one of those crimes that has lifelong repercussions, as well it should. Crimes like that, should disqualify a man from becoming a minister imo, but apparently everyone who has jumped on the TB train and had a part in commissioning him to the status of prophet, chose to ignore it along with all his false prophecies and blasphemous teaching.
It has to do with him leading thousands upon thousands of people away from God. It has to do with trying to wake-up those who have been deceived so they don't follow this heretic any longer. He has presented himself in one light and it is very important that the deceived see the truth of who he really is.
You would know that had you not just come into this thread yesterday, but thanks for your two little contributions.
I believe God is using the things you have objected to to expose this man and there will be many devastated people left in his wake after people recognize who and what he really is...my concern is strictly for them not for the one who created the devastation.
So, cry me a river! 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 11:38:52 AM
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kisstheson: I never really cared much for the lakeland thing. I posted my reasons why on the back pages but some of you are salivating over rhe dirt that's pulled up on bently. look at all the many pages dedicated to arguing about this guy. Just goes to prove what much of the body of Christ is really into. WE LOOOOOVE dirty laundry!
Wrong. What has been pulled up here and examined through scripture are the FACTS of what Bentley is saying and doing.
Teaching: FALSE
'Prophetic' proclamations: FALSE
Practices: FALSE
Signs and wonders: FALSE
Verification of healings: NONE
Why is this being done? Because people are still flocking to Lakeland. People are still being deceived. People are still defending and supporting Todd Bentley in spite of the mounds of Biblical evidence piled against him. And people who are waking up or heard a word of warning are stopping by sites like this to learn the truth about TB.
As Christians, we care about helping others to see the light of Jesus Christ and warn people away from this garbage. You may have a problem with that, but God certainly doesn't. As long as Todd Bentley is around to spread his poison, I hope and pray this thread and others like it will continue to expose his utterly abhorrent false teachings and practices.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 12:05:01 PM
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kisstheson,
Do you prefer that no Christians bother obey the Word when it comes to false teachers such as Todd Bentley?
What would you prefer happen? Sincerely asking.
Its the attitude that people have that does not come from the broken heart of the Lord. We claim the people flocking to Lakeland are into sensationalism but aren't we just as guilty as they when we thirst to talk about the sensational foolishness of Todd Bentley?
Point out error...certainly but some of this is like saying..."Wow! You think this is bad...LOOK what I found!"
We love this kind of stuff.:)
Woundn't it be great if we were just as excited to talk about Christ and what he means to us? But the crazier the happenings the better.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 12:16:19 PM
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kisstheson: Its the attitude that people have that does not come from the broken heart of the Lord. We claim the people flocking to Lakeland are into sensationalism but aren't we just as guilty as they when we thirst to talk about the sensational foolishness of Todd Bentley?
Point out error...certainly but some of this is like saying..."Wow! You think this is bad...LOOK what I found!"
If you have a problem with those specific types of statements, then address those folks individually and ask them for an explanation rather than accuse 'much of the body of Christ' and this thread of being into dirty laundry.
As for the claim of pulling up dirty laundry .... define what that means exactly. Specifically, how does examining Bentley's teachings and practices qualify as dirty laundry.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 12:19:13 PM
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prophetica [cybrjewls]: Condemn not, lest you be condemned is The Word of The Lord Jesus, though.
You are once again ripping that quote out of context and applying it incorrectly.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 12:32:26 PM
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I never really cared much for the lakeland thing. I posted my reasons why on the back pages but some of you are salivating over rhe dirt that's pulled up on bently. look at all the many pages dedicated to arguing about this guy. Just goes to prove what much of the body of Christ is really into. WE LOOOOOVE dirty laundry!
No, it has nothing to to do with pulling up TB's dirty laundry, God knows his dirt follows him wherever he goes. Sexually assaulting a child is one of those crimes that has lifelong repercussions, as well it should. Crimes like that, should disqualify a man from becoming a minister imo, but apparently everyone who has jumped on the TB train and had a part in commissioning him to the status of prophet, chose to ignore it along with all his false prophecies and blasphemous teaching.
It has to do with him leading thousands upon thousands of people away from God. It has to do with trying to wake-up those who have been deceived so they don't follow this heretic any longer. He has presented himself in one light and it is very important that the deceived see the truth of who he really is.
You would know that had you not just come into this thread yesterday, but thanks for your two little contributions.
I believe God is using the things you have objected to to expose this man and there will be many devastated people left in his wake after people recognize who and what he really is...my concern is strictly for them not for the one who created the devastation.
So, cry me a river!
You always say the nicest things. I appreciate that. thanks.
Sorry, a lot of flowery language doesn't come to my mind when I'm speaking about false teachers and the devastation they reek, but then again, I'm really not a flowery type of girl in general. I apologize if that rubs you the wrong way.
But, here's a novel idea...how about addressing the issues I brought up instead of just dismissing them because their presentation doesn't meet your standards?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 1:15:55 PM
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Kiss the Son, if we all love the "Dirty Laundry" like you accuse christians, why does those who are in the public eye who are evanglists, teachers and other people who are in the church are doing the things that are causing the "dirty laundry" to happen?
No, people do not delight in this sort of thing, but on the other hand, when a person whether it is Bentley, Fred Price, Kenneth Copeland, Rod Parsley, the Crouchs, the Lambs or any other religious leader is in error, well it is our job to call them out and they should be deserved to be called out because there are too many who are being decived and don't know sound docterine.
It is unfortnate when the news media has to expose things like this and it makes the body look bad when people are in error of God's word. And hasten to say this, but the Lord may be using the media to expose what is outhere and teach gulliable Christians who feast on these docterines that it is not in line with bibical teaching.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 2:52:27 PM
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I tend to think in a visual manner and images stick in my mind. One night Todd was praying over a yound woman who said she had incurable Chronans (sp) disease. She was sobbing and Todd trieds several times to get her to "go down" after failing several times. instead of praying for her to receive God's grace in a time of torment, he just moved on to the next victim.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 4:06:13 PM
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I tend to think in a visual manner and images stick in my mind. One night Todd was praying over a yound woman who said she had incurable Chronans (sp) disease. She was sobbing and Todd trieds several times to get her to "go down" after failing several times. instead of praying for her to receive God's grace in a time of torment, he just moved on to the next victim.
It's Crohn's Disese, Colliefan, and I was diagnosed with it several years ago...I know why she was crying.
The one that sticks in my mind was the one where he punched the man with Stage IV pancreatic cancer in the stomach...I will never forget the look on his face as he tried to get up and then attempted to process what had just happened to him. It brings tears to my eyes every time I think about it.
Please someone tell me, when did Jesus ever do anything like that? Show me the model for it in the Bible. I'll wait.
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