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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 5:33:03 PM
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I tend to think in a visual manner and images stick in my mind. One night Todd was praying over a yound woman who said she had incurable Chronans (sp) disease. She was sobbing and Todd trieds several times to get her to "go down" after failing several times. instead of praying for her to receive God's grace in a time of torment, he just moved on to the next victim.
It's Crohn's Disese, Colliefan, and I was diagnosed with it several years ago...I know why she was crying.
The one that sticks in my mind was the one where he punched the man with Stage IV pancreatic cancer in the stomach...I will never forget the look on his face as he tried to get up and then attempted to process what had just happened to him. It brings tears to my eyes every time I think about it.
Please someone tell me, when did Jesus ever do anything like that? Show me the model for it in the Bible. I'll wait.
The biblical model Jesus used is exactly opposite of what Todd claims to use.
The Scripture said that Jesus many times healed as He was, "moved with compassion."
It doesn't say anything like the model Todd uses, i.e. "Sometimes you have to drive out a demon". He actually said that after he kneed that man with cancer in the stomach. As if we can remove, drive out, or cast out a demon by our own physical force.
Of course the excuse he used was he "had to be obedient to what the Lord told him."
The Lord does not call us to drive out demons, or heal the sick by getting violent, but we must do the same as Christ. When praying for the sick, be compassionate.
I also don't think that compassion is something that can be conjured up. If that is the case, then it is false compassion, and therefore manipulation, just like Todd uses.
We must ask the Lord for His compassion for the hurting and sick and lost, to see them as He sees them.
I feel that if we had His compassion, we wouldn't be making stage show productions and calling it ministry. But we would be going out into the highways and hedges, right where many of the hurting are, sharing the Gospel with them, praying for their needs, their hurts, their pains, and of course, their sicknesses and diseases.
I remember a prophecy that someone spoke about Jesus physically appearing one night in June (I believe) at the Lakeland meetings. Mind you, they had an out, they wouldn't see Him, but they could feel Him there though. If Jesus had appeared physically at the meetings, I don't think it would have been in approval, but very similar as He did to the money changers at the Temple....He would have cleaned house.
Oh, and many people would have fallen over as well.....not on their backs, but on their faces, pleading for His mercy and repenting of their ways.
If we want revival, we don't need the glamor, we don't need the hype, we don't need all these manifestations, what we need from the Body of Christ is one word - repentance!
Repentance from being selfish, repentance of chasing false fire, repentance of not sharing the Gospel with the lost, and most importantly, repentance of not seeing Christ as He truly is, the Holy Son of God, instead of the way we do see Him, as some trinket or Santa Clause that we can ask for our every wish and desire.
Well, I've got to get off my soapbox now. I've been on vacation for the last two Sunday's and haven't preached, so it just kind of came out as I was typing here.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 6:00:04 PM
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If we want revival, we don't need the glamor, we don't need the hype, we don't need all these manifestations, what we need from the Body of Christ is one word - repentance!
Hank Hannegraf summarized the issue neatly. Reformation inside the church leads to revival in the surrounding community. "Revival" inside the church is, more often than not, a dog-and-pony show the members stage for themselves.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 6:08:55 PM
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If we want revival, we don't need the glamor, we don't need the hype, we don't need all these manifestations, what we need from the Body of Christ is one word - repentance!
Hank Hannegraf summarized the issue neatly. Reformation inside the church leads to revival in the surrounding community. "Revival" inside the church is, more often than not, a dog-and-pony show the members stage for themselves.
Agreed.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 6:45:29 PM
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I’m not a “heresy-hunter”, and generally respond to men like Benny Hinn with a shrug of the shoulders and a “well, whatcha gonna do?” For some reason, though, I feel a bit more compelled to speak about Todd Bentley. Perhaps it’s because I feel his clever self-marketing (“out-of-the box tattooed preacher”) has the potential to affect a larger and less insular Christian population than the typical TBN-style pompadoured televangelist. A friend of mine, formerly not "pentecostally-inclined", flew over 2000 miles to attend the Lakeland Revival, and is now a passionate believer in Bentley's ministry.
I’ll put aside for now any speculation about the spiritual nature of Bentley and his ministry (eg. “he’s influenced by demons”), and make a simple, “earthly” assertion: Todd Bentley is a stage hypnotist. I have studied and performed hypnosis, and it is glaringly apparent that Bentley, and many other "faith healers", are employing hypnotic techniques (with which I, and any stage hypnotist, are acutely aware). Bentley's presentation and "healing" techniques are not mere theatrics--they are tools for inducing and reinforcing hypnosis and increasing suggestibility in his audience, and they are as clear to me (or to any stage hypnotist to whom you might speak) as a handstand is to a gymnast. Hypnosis is neither mystical nor supernatural (though a hypnotic state may leave one open to certain spiritual dangers), but is a mental/psychological state of enhanced suggestibility. Hypnotic and non-hypnotic states are not purely an either/or proposition--we all exist at all times along a spectrum of suggestibility: more suggestible at some times and less at others; hypnotic techniques work to push people to one end of that spectrum.
It's no coincidence that so many "faith healers" (and WoF personalities) all seem to have similar presentation techniques, and you see few, if any, well-known healers who gently, calmly and meekly lay a hand on someone without the vocal and physical techniques and theatricality of men like Todd Bentley and Benny Hinn--it's because the typical "televangelist" techniques work, and it would be more difficult to achieve the same hypnotic results without them (though vocal monotone can also be an effective hypnotic tool). I may delineate in a future post the specific techniques Bentley (and others) uses (both before and during his presentations), but a perusal of any book on hypnosis (particularly stage hypnosis) should make matters pretty apparent.
As I said, I can and have hypnotized people myself (for fun and entertainment, with willing participants), though I haven't done so for many years, as I (and many Christians) am very uneasy with the profound control it gives one person over another person (or group of people), even if done just "for entertainment". The experiences that Bentley creates for people are not difficult for someone skilled (or even semi-skilled) in hypnosis—especially when one’s audience wants desperately to believe in the truth of what is being said. I've made people see, hear, smell and taste things that weren't there; made them think that body parts were growing, or shrinking, or falling off; made them think that friends were completely different people; rendered them unable to move; etc. People are much more easily hypnotized than one might think—psychologists say that 90% of the population can be induced in to a hypnotic state.
Christians can be especially vulnerable to hypnotic control, as they often possess the traits that make for good hypnotic candidates: they have a much greater expectation of, and desire for a supernatural occurrence, and they’re more ready to lend their trust to an (often self-proclaimed) authority. When there’s a gathered group of people with deep, shared beliefs, desires, and yearnings, suggestibility is increased even further. It's worth mentioning that intelligence is generally not considered an important factor which informs a person's ability to be hypnotized.
I believe God can and does heal miraculously, and He may indeed have healed some attendees of the Lakeland “revival”, as He is merciful and can heal whomever He wishes, even through “ravenous wolves” (Matt. 7:15-23). I served for several years in a more balanced “don’t be weirdos, people” Charismatic church. But trusting in God’s ability to do the miraculous does not mean we should automatically trust anything that men might say to us about God.
Edited for vocabulary: changed "pentectostically" to "pentecostally".
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 6:50:36 PM
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Thank you, Joe, for your perspective on this!
I've heard a lot of talk about Bentley and his "cold readings" on stage, along with other WOFers.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 8:17:01 PM
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My heart breaks for those who have been defrauded by this clown. They have spend thousand in air fare, hotels, and meals in search of their "miracle."
The problem is they have not been grounded in the truth that God always heals. But it is in His time, according to His Word, and always so He gets the glory.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/13/2008 8:35:50 PM
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I’m not a “heresy-hunter”, and generally respond to men like Benny Hinn with a shrug of the shoulders and a “well, whatcha gonna do?” For some reason, though, I feel a bit more compelled to speak about Todd Bentley. Perhaps it’s because I feel his clever self-marketing (“out-of-the box tattooed preacher”) has the potential to affect a larger and less insular Christian population than the typical TBN-style pompadoured televangelist. A friend of mine, formerly not "pentecostally-inclined", flew over 2000 miles to attend the Lakeland Revival, and is now a passionate believer in Bentley's ministry.
I think you're absolutely right here!
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I served for several years in a more balanced “don’t be weirdos, people” Charismatic church.
That's what I'm looking for!
Great observations. And thanks for the info on hypnosis. I saw an article saying many of the same things you are saying. I didn't save it, though.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 6:10:33 AM
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Christians can be especially vulnerable to hypnotic control, as they often possess the traits that make for good hypnotic candidates: they have a much greater expectation of, and desire for a supernatural occurrence, and they’re more ready to lend their trust to an (often self-proclaimed) authority. When there’s a gathered group of people with deep, shared beliefs, desires, and yearnings, suggestibility is increased even further.
For example, the ritual of the "altar call," and the ease with which a trained stage hypnotist (excuse me, "crusade 'evangelist'") can mass-produce altered states of consciousness -- at least, temporarily. The one "crusade 'evangelist'" with sufficient integrity to do the math discovered that 96% of his "conversions" were spurious. Only 4% of Billy Graham's "converts" ever got around to living as visible Christians.
People will scream if you touch their sacred traditions -- even rituals with a 96% failure rate, rites that harden people against God, and sow a deep bitterness into the culture. Dupes who realize that they were manipulated into a meaningless humiliation (" every head bowed, every eye closed ... come forward and make my numbers look good ... ") resent having been played for fools.
The chickens have come home to roost in Lakeland. Our willingness to tolerate manipulative techniques, for more than 150 years, have heaped reproach upon the name of our Savior, and His gospel.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 10:53:09 AM
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As we all know, we have been discussing the error of the Lakeland "Outpouring." Thanks be to God that at the present time it is on "hold."
I believe our efforts should now be spent praying that it ends here...that TB doesn't come back and that those who have been deceived by this movement would be awakened to the Truth and those who have been hurt by it would be comforted.
Again, thank the Lord for putting it to sleep for the present time. That is an answer to my prayers and I will continue to ask that it not be revived.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 11:15:03 AM
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As we all know, we have been discussing the error of the Lakeland "Outpouring." Thanks be to God that at the present time it is on "hold."
I believe our efforts should now be spent praying that it ends here...that TB doesn't come back and that those who have been deceived by this movement would be awakened to the Truth and those who have been hurt by it would be comforted.
Again, thank the Lord for putting it to sleep for the present time. That is an answer to my prayers and I will continue to ask that it not be revived.
Amen!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 11:41:32 AM
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I also wanted to add that I believe this movement was a trial run. I believe that one snake has slithered into the grass, but there are hundreds more just waiting to emerge. They all closely watched Lakeland and learned what they could do and get away with, but more importantly, they learned what not to do. They will be smarter next time.
Christian watchmen came out in force against Lakeland and I am glad for that, but we have to remember that while a small battle has been won, there is a much bigger war raging and it isn't over.
God, have mercy on us all.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 1:27:28 PM
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: Todd Bentley is a stage hypnotist. I have studied and performed hypnosis, and it is glaringly apparent that Bentley, and many other "faith healers", are employing hypnotic techniques (with which I, and any stage hypnotist, are acutely aware). Bentley's presentation and "healing" techniques are not mere theatrics--they are tools for inducing and reinforcing hypnosis and increasing suggestibility in his audience, and they are as clear to me (or to any stage hypnotist to whom you might speak) as a handstand is to a gymnast.
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Hallelujah to God for what you have to say. but you know what, there are going to be people that will say that you are speaking of the devil, and that their experience verifies that this is really God. and there will be scoffers that say you are wrong. It makes me sad and disheartened, knowing that people are falling for this AND sticking up for it AND not listening and heeding the warnings of people like you and me.
ah but today I read a perfect verse or two in 1 John 2: 18-19 "little children, it is the last time and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come.... they went out from us, BUT THEY WERE NOT OF US, for if they had been of us they would no doubt have continued with us, BUT THEY WENT OUT THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE MANIFEST THAT THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US"
aha! God's Word says (if I am understanding that right)... that sinners (anti-christs) will go out so that it will be MADE MANIFEST (KNOWN) that they WERE NOT OF US (true Christians).
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 1:39:19 PM
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I also wanted to add that I believe this movement was a trial run. I believe that one snake has slithered into the grass, but there are hundreds more just waiting to emerge. They all closely watched Lakeland and learned what they could do and get away with, but more importantly, they learned what not to do. They will be smarter next time.
Christian watchmen came out in force against Lakeland and I am glad for that, but we have to remember that while a small battle has been won, there is a much bigger war raging and it isn't over.
God, have mercy on us all.
The snake eggs are already beginning to hatch around the country, and overseas, due to the transcontinental impartation.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 1:58:19 PM
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but you know what, there are going to be people that will say that you are speaking of the devil, and that their experience verifies that this is really God.
Therein lies the problem!!
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Again, thank the Lord for putting it to sleep for the present time. That is an answer to my prayers and I will continue to ask that it not be revived.
Is it stopping or is TB just taking a break? I got the impression it would still go on just without him for a while.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 2:06:18 PM
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I’m not a “heresy-hunter”, and generally respond to men like Benny Hinn with a shrug of the shoulders and a “well, whatcha gonna do?” For some reason, though, I feel a bit more compelled to speak about Todd Bentley. Perhaps it’s because I feel his clever self-marketing (“out-of-the box tattooed preacher”) has the potential to affect a larger and less insular Christian population than the typical TBN-style pompadoured televangelist. A friend of mine, formerly not "pentecostally-inclined", flew over 2000 miles to attend the Lakeland Revival, and is now a passionate believer in Bentley's ministry.
I’ll put aside for now any speculation about the spiritual nature of Bentley and his ministry (eg. “he’s influenced by demons”), and make a simple, “earthly” assertion: Todd Bentley is a stage hypnotist. I have studied and performed hypnosis, and it is glaringly apparent that Bentley, and many other "faith healers", are employing hypnotic techniques (with which I, and any stage hypnotist, are acutely aware). Bentley's presentation and "healing" techniques are not mere theatrics--they are tools for inducing and reinforcing hypnosis and increasing suggestibility in his audience, and they are as clear to me (or to any stage hypnotist to whom you might speak) as a handstand is to a gymnast. Hypnosis is neither mystical nor supernatural (though a hypnotic state may leave one open to certain spiritual dangers), but is a mental/psychological state of enhanced suggestibility. Hypnotic and non-hypnotic states are not purely an either/or proposition--we all exist at all times along a spectrum of suggestibility: more suggestible at some times and less at others; hypnotic techniques work to push people to one end of that spectrum.
It's no coincidence that so many "faith healers" (and WoF personalities) all seem to have similar presentation techniques, and you see few, if any, well-known healers who gently, calmly and meekly lay a hand on someone without the vocal and physical techniques and theatricality of men like Todd Bentley and Benny Hinn--it's because the typical "televangelist" techniques work, and it would be more difficult to achieve the same hypnotic results without them (though vocal monotone can also be an effective hypnotic tool). I may delineate in a future post the specific techniques Bentley (and others) uses (both before and during his presentations), but a perusal of any book on hypnosis (particularly stage hypnosis) should make matters pretty apparent.
As I said, I can and have hypnotized people myself (for fun and entertainment, with willing participants), though I haven't done so for many years, as I (and many Christians) am very uneasy with the profound control it gives one person over another person (or group of people), even if done just "for entertainment". The experiences that Bentley creates for people are not difficult for someone skilled (or even semi-skilled) in hypnosis—especially when one’s audience wants desperately to believe in the truth of what is being said. I've made people see, hear, smell and taste things that weren't there; made them think that body parts were growing, or shrinking, or falling off; made them think that friends were completely different people; rendered them unable to move; etc. People are much more easily hypnotized than one might think—psychologists say that 90% of the population can be induced in to a hypnotic state.
Christians can be especially vulnerable to hypnotic control, as they often possess the traits that make for good hypnotic candidates: they have a much greater expectation of, and desire for a supernatural occurrence, and they’re more ready to lend their trust to an (often self-proclaimed) authority. When there’s a gathered group of people with deep, shared beliefs, desires, and yearnings, suggestibility is increased even further. It's worth mentioning that intelligence is generally not considered an important factor which informs a person's ability to be hypnotized.
I believe God can and does heal miraculously, and He may indeed have healed some attendees of the Lakeland “revival”, as He is merciful and can heal whomever He wishes, even through “ravenous wolves” (Matt. 7:15-23). I served for several years in a more balanced “don’t be weirdos, people” Charismatic church. But trusting in God’s ability to do the miraculous does not mean we should automatically trust anything that men might say to us about God.
Edited for vocabulary: changed "pentectostically" to "pentecostally".
Thanks Joe, I appreciate experienced testimony.
Here's a link giving the same scenario by Mark Haville in case anyone missed it this weekend.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 2:24:32 PM
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Is it stopping or is TB just taking a break? I got the impression it would still go on just without him for a while.
If I read the article right, they will be showing reruns to keep it alive
and bring in the monies I suppose.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 2:28:32 PM
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Tb has been booked up for months beginning in mid July, from what I have read on his site. Unless he has decided to take a vacation, he will be speaking at other places. At least that is what was on his website a month ago.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 2:28:53 PM
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"I know Todd started off OK - I was there in his early meetings? In September 2000 I stood in front of Todd and gave him the warning that God gave me for him. "Beware, the leaven of the Pharisees, lest an angelic leaven enters your ministry."
"One month later, according to Todd's own account, at a meeting in Grants Pass Oregon, Cal Pierce walked in with Branham's 'Healing Revival' angel in tow, Todd saw and accepted this spirit without reservation. His 'angels' have been with him ever since.
"I have written to Todd on numerous occasions and reminded him of God's warning, alas to no avail.
warnings from inside
Here's a fellow that said Todd started out OK, but I'm sure that can be very debatable.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 2:38:58 PM
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Tb has been booked up for months beginning in mid July, from what I have read on his site. Unless he has decided to take a vacation, he will be speaking at other places. At least that is what was on his website a month ago.
Here is my previous post on the subject:
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Actually, after further research, I found that TB abruptly took his break following a Nightline broadcast that portrayed the Lakeland Outpouring in a poor light.
From ABC News:
"UPDATE: After this story aired on "Nightline," Fresh Fire Ministries released a statement announcing that preacher Todd Bentley would be taking time off "to refresh and to rest" after having spent four months in Lakeland, Fla., leading revival meetings. In the meantime their Lakeland broadcasts on GOD TV are put on hold. "
I posted links to that broadcast on pg. 119 (Posts 2953 & 2956) in this thread if anyone is interested.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 2:47:35 PM
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Thanks, Kat. I am offline on most weekends, and did not go far enough back in the thread.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 2:50:50 PM
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I just watched this. It is so sad.
Definitely no bias in the media on this one.
Just the facts.
Absolutely ZERO, NADA, NONE; no verifications.
And Bentley is telling the truth on one fact.
"There is never a shortage" of the deceived, suckers, hungry, (call it what you will).
May God end it for all time. Amen.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 2:56:23 PM
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Tb has been booked up for months beginning in mid July, from what I have read on his site. Unless he has decided to take a vacation, he will be speaking at other places. At least that is what was on his website a month ago.
Here is my previous post on the subject:
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Actually, after further research, I found that TB abruptly took his break following a Nightline broadcast that portrayed the Lakeland Outpouring in a poor light.
From ABC News:
"UPDATE: After this story aired on "Nightline," Fresh Fire Ministries released a statement announcing that preacher Todd Bentley would be taking time off "to refresh and to rest" after having spent four months in Lakeland, Fla., leading revival meetings. In the meantime their Lakeland broadcasts on GOD TV are put on hold. "
I posted links to that broadcast on pg. 119 (Posts 2953 & 2956) in this thread if anyone is interested.
It would also be good if the "break" was from cancellations of those bookings.
And I'm not gloating as accused. It would be good if the truth gets out.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 3:04:31 PM
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I have notice some people write that they feel sorry for these people who have, are following the wrong voice. I have a had hard time swallowing that. Because these people are looking for a religion in which all is perfect and have richs beyond their means. Which I hate to say is a arrogant attitude to have.Read in Isaiah, in fact you could read the whole book and it would be talking about 90 % of those who hear the wrong voice. The leaders talk as if they have concern for others. Yet what comes down to is a greedy mind which it is all about them. Lord God the almighty has not at one time talked to Mr. Bentley. So When he says the lord told me to do that. Is a lie out of his lips. Never could Supreme Spirit and the one who made man can have a mind set that Todd and Muslims have. There is no difference between him and a Muslims who is a true follower of the Koran and their teacher of that religion.
This guy and others like him have taken the Lord God Of Abraham's and Isaac's name in vain.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 5:06:16 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: mcleod
I have notice some people write that they feel sorry for these people who have, are following the wrong voice. I have a had hard time swallowing that. Because these people are looking for a religion in which all is perfect and have richs beyond their means. Which I hate to say is a arrogant attitude to have.Read in Isaiah, in fact you could read the whole book and it would be talking about 90 % of those who hear the wrong voice. The leaders talk as if they have concern for others. Yet what comes down to is a greedy mind which it is all about them. Lord God the almighty has not at one time talked to Mr. Bentley. So When he says the lord told me to do that. Is a lie out of his lips. Never could Supreme Spirit and the one who made man can have a mind set that Todd and Muslims have. There is no difference between him and a Muslims who is a true follower of the Koran and their teacher of that religion.
This guy and others like him have taken the Lord God Of Abraham's and Isaac's name in vain.
I think i was one who said i felt sad about this situation. it is true, i am picturing them as blind peopel following a blind heretic around, and in the end, if they dont wake up, they will go down to hell perhaps... or they may really get hurt in this life, i feel compassion for their soul.. and but most of all, they refuse to listen to the truth from Scripture, and the warnings, they choose to listen to their EXPERIENCE and the lies of the devil, for this i feel compassion and wish they could hear the truth, but alas, just like in the bible, even the Old Testament, people wanted to follow Baal, and God allowed it, they wanted a king, so God gave them King Saul, well looks like theres nothing new under the sun after all.
actually though, come to think of it, maybe i should not feel sadness nor compassion, maybe i should take the side of the Lord, perhaps the Lord's anger is kindled against these idolators, maybe i need to feel the wrath of God against all those who would follow this idol todd bentley. And to feel the anger of the Lord kindle against these folks who would seek a prosperity idol instead of falling on their face and worshipping the true God. maybe i need to think about our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is being dissed by these idolators. How do you think our Lord feels about this terrible idolatry? maybe i dont feel sorry for them after all.
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