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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 7:12:02 PM
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dwtramm
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I have notice some people write that they feel sorry for these people who have, are following the wrong voice. I have a had hard time swallowing that. Because these people are looking for a religion in which all is perfect and have richs beyond their means. Which I hate to say is a arrogant attitude to have.Read in Isaiah, in fact you could read the whole book and it would be talking about 90 % of those who hear the wrong voice. The leaders talk as if they have concern for others. Yet what comes down to is a greedy mind which it is all about them. Lord God the almighty has not at one time talked to Mr. Bentley. So When he says the lord told me to do that. Is a lie out of his lips. Never could Supreme Spirit and the one who made man can have a mind set that Todd and Muslims have. There is no difference between him and a Muslims who is a true follower of the Koran and their teacher of that religion.
This guy and others like him have taken the Lord God Of Abraham's and Isaac's name in vain.
I think i was one who said i felt sad about this situation. it is true, i am picturing them as blind peopel following a blind heretic around, and in the end, if they dont wake up, they will go down to hell perhaps... or they may really get hurt in this life, i feel compassion for their soul.. and but most of all, they refuse to listen to the truth from Scripture, and the warnings, they choose to listen to their EXPERIENCE and the lies of the devil, for this i feel compassion and wish they could hear the truth, but alas, just like in the bible, even the Old Testament, people wanted to follow Baal, and God allowed it, they wanted a king, so God gave them King Saul, well looks like theres nothing new under the sun after all.
actually though, come to think of it, maybe i should not feel sadness nor compassion, maybe i should take the side of the Lord, perhaps the Lord's anger is kindled against these idolators, maybe i need to feel the wrath of God against all those who would follow this idol todd bentley. And to feel the anger of the Lord kindle against these folks who would seek a prosperity idol instead of falling on their face and worshipping the true God. maybe i need to think about our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is being dissed by these idolators. How do you think our Lord feels about this terrible idolatry? maybe i dont feel sorry for them after all.
I would add one thing. Jesus before He died looked out over the city of Jerusalem and prayed and wept over them. He longed for them to come to Him as a hen gathers her chicks, but they were not willing.
They would soon be shouting "crucify Him," concerning our Lord. But He still longed for them to turn to Him, even though He knew that they would not, so that Scripture might be fulfilled.
Jesus had compassion on them, even though they didn't deserve it. They were blind people being led by blind guides (the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law), yet Jesus still had this heart wrenching compassion for them.
I would view those who are being misled, or who have been misled by Lakeland the same way. They are blind people being led by a blind guide (Todd Bentley). They need the light of the Holy Spirit to penetrate their hearts. And quite honestly, they need the Gospel preached to them. Think on this a moment, how many have prayed some type of sinner's prayer, following after some false leader, thinking they are serving Christ, when in reality they are not. I listened to Todd for two weeks every night online, I never once heard the Gospel message. Not once! I know some will disagree with me, but I can only tell you what I heard and saw myself during the live broadcast.
We must have compassion for those who are being led astray.
Can the Lord open their eyes - Praise God, Yes! I was once blind to the same type of the slavery many of these are blind too. Seeking God's approval as if it is something to be earned, seeking far out manifestations, and words from some self-appointed prophet.
God worked on me, layer by layer, piece by piece, with grace upon grace.
In fact, He is still not done working on me. During Lakeland, to be honest, there were a few moments where I did question the position I took, primarily because it went against my background and past teachings I sat under, and teachings I did myself. I discovered I still struggle with those issues at times.
I would have to go back to the Word and see the light of truth once again and stand on it; deciding to trust the Word, not my feelings, or some out of context passage.
So I know a little of what some will struggle with after all the smoke clears (Lord willing), and what I currently struggle with because of false teachings in the past that so dominated my life.
Let's proclaim the truth, boldly, without apologies, exposing the lies of the enemy, but let's also lift up those who have been hurt and are questioning God through the lies of Lakeland.
Let's be like Jesus, forgive them, love them, but at the same time, correct them through love and His grace.
Believe it or not, this false revival can be a blessing in disguise. If the church would simply pray for the truth to be revealed, stand against the lies, and heal the hurts of the blind once revelation has been received through Scripture and the Holy Spirit's conviction, we could see perhaps many that were blinded and hurt by fakery turn and experience the awesome grace and love of God, and then in turn use that zeal to truly seek the face of the Father, and reach out to this hell-bound society with the Gospel.
Well, I'm done I guess. I will go back to lurking mode.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 7:14:22 PM
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Believe it or not, this false revival can be a blessing in disguise.
And it has been - many have had the blinders of heretical teachings taken off of their eyes because of this event.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 8:58:43 PM
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They are blind people being led by a blind guide (Todd Bentley). They need the light of the Holy Spirit to penetrate their hearts. And quite honestly, they need the Gospel preached to them. Think on this a moment, how many have prayed some type of sinner's prayer, following after some false leader, thinking they are serving Christ, when in reality they are not.
These are also people who've been taught for years in their own churches (reinforced by the world we live in) to chase after feelings and experiences and emotionalism. There's a lot of blame to be shared for the predicament the church finds itself in now. And this stuff is nothing new; it's been bubbling under the surface (just out of the mainstream) for decades and now it wants to boil up.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 9:21:17 PM
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They are blind people being led by a blind guide (Todd Bentley). They need the light of the Holy Spirit to penetrate their hearts. And quite honestly, they need the Gospel preached to them. Think on this a moment, how many have prayed some type of sinner's prayer, following after some false leader, thinking they are serving Christ, when in reality they are not.
These are also people who've been taught for years in their own churches (reinforced by the world we live in) to chase after feelings and experiences and emotionalism. There's a lot of blame to be shared for the predicament the church finds itself in now. And this stuff is nothing new; it's been bubbling under the surface (just out of the mainstream) for decades and now it wants to boil up.
I agree. I will also say that those who have been doing that type of teaching over the years are blind guides.
Hey, I was at one time one of them, but thank the Lord for His mercy toward me.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/14/2008 9:25:24 PM
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I just received an email from my best friend, he is an associate pastor in a church.
He asked me about Todd and he didn't see anything wrong.
Oh boy, he didn't realize what he opened up.
I let him know my position and why I feel this way, gave him tons of information (thanks by the way for all those who post it here).
I guess I will have to wait for his response.
I do hope that his eyes get open to the truth.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 12:12:06 AM
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Believe it or not, this false revival can be a blessing in disguise.
And it has been - many have had the blinders of heretical teachings taken off of their eyes because of this event.
Or moved from a sleeping state, or a state of thinking it was all just a bunch of differences in understanding God, to seeing the depths of spiritual evil underneath. (Hi)
For me there still clearly exists areas we misunderstand GOd and even develop theology based around that misconception. However, there is the other gospel issues out there as well that I was ignorant of, blind of, or in denial about.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 12:13:43 AM
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also, if anyone recalls the post number of the "mormon" comparison or wants to PM me that information I would appreciate it. Couldn't find it when I looke for it early. TIA.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 4:15:12 AM
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However, there is the other gospel issues out there as well that I was ignorant of, blind of, or in denial about.
Isn't that true for all of us, dear friend!
Thinking is hard work, so we are on a constant quest for ways to automate our lives. One stream of pentecostalism defines being "led by the Spirit" as a willingness to guide one's life by non-rational emotional impressions. "I had a peace about it," such a person will tell you, when explaining why he put his kids in public school, for example, or procured an abortion for his daughter. It's strange how often such "leadings," like Balaam's permission, track with our personal desires.
Yet, the word "disciple" means learner, one whose mind is engaged in meshing God's Word with God's world. To quote Bob Mumford, the guy with faultless Pentecostal credentials who was led by the Spirit to attend Reformed Theological Seminary -- "The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not a labor-saving device!"
On a cultural level, reformations are scholarly endeavors that take decades to launch, and centuries to fully impart the precious truths God offers humanity.
"Two paths diverged in a wood.." and the pilgrim seeking God's best for his life had a decision to make. Would he find God's best by surrendering to endless moments of mindless emotionalism? Or by consecrating decades of rigorous thought to God's purposes for his family, vocation, church, and community?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 9:39:20 AM
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Excellent first hand acocunt of the FRAUD that is Todd Bentley and his PHONEY healing revival.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 12:16:55 PM
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Excellent first hand acocunt of the FRAUD that is Todd Bentley and his PHONEY healing revival.
Thankfully many are having their spiritual eyes opened.
Not TO this nonsense, but to the falseness in the name of the Lord.
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Believe it or not, this false revival can be a blessing in disguise.
And it has been - many have had the blinders of heretical teachings taken off of their eyes because of this event.
I am one of those who were enlightened to this event and
by that was enlightened by the outright falsehoods that preceded it.
Bless the Name of the Lord who opens our eyes and gives us truth.
the Holy Spirit "leads" us to truth. We accept it or reject it, we've been led just the same.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 12:46:23 PM
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On one hand, I don't want to be guilty of negativity of a true move of God, but on the other hand, everything MUST be held up to the light of scripture!
When I was in seminary, I took a course on the history of revival, and THE ONE THING that was central to all true revivals was the preaching of repentance from sin, not signs and wonders, though they often accompanied those revivals. Unfortunately, this is what seems to be almost non-existent in this FL revival. The ONE thing that Satan cannot/will not copy is true and genuine, life-changing and community-changing repentance from sin! All other manifestations can be duplicated by Satan. For some reason, so many charismatics think that if it's a miracle, it's from God! That is a DIRECT result of the people of God not "studying to show thyself approved." There is a very serious disregard of grounding in the Word of God in most segments of the charismatic community. This is akin to the situational ethics of the world, that says "if it feels right, do it!" Too many of us rely on feelings for discernment rather than the scriptures (mostly because we don't know them!), and have fallen into elements of loose theology, if not downright false theology! God gave us a guidebook, and He expects us to use it, not warm-fuzzies to discern whether a thing is from Him!
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We are even warned by Christ himself that there will be those that 'look' like the real thing, but in reality are not His. They will even do miracles and cast out demons! That does not make them a minister of God! I'm not saying that Todd Bentley is not of God, but certainly, much of what he says and does is not! Jesus used some unorthodox ways to heal people, but he never, ever injured them, as Todd has (kneeing people, knocking teeth out, etc.--you can view video of this on youtube--.) Just the fact that several people have received demonic spirits when he laid hands on them, is VERY concerning! Where did these demons come from?
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the primary role of the prophet is not as a "seer," but as a watchman on the wall, calling others to repentance and holiness. Where is this evidenced in Todd Bentley's life?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 1:04:20 PM
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lol tell your beloved false prophet those were not eagles. those birds are called osprey. they live in florida and they carry fish in their mouth. some might want to call that a miracle or a wonder. when i eat a bigmac from mcdonalds thats not a miracle either. people eat bigmacs everyday. sorry its not a wonder or some made up thing in the prophetic heavenly realm. more like pathetic that people actually believe this ****.
screaming eagles an omen?
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maurieer may be wrong in this aspect ONLY. Todd does have a media package FILLED with doctors reports of before and after...but they are ALL unverifiable! YES!!! They are ALL UNVERIFIABLE!!! Todd IS a scam artist and WILL NEVER bring forth a healing by the laying on of his hands and the VERY NEXT DAY after Date Line NBC interviewed him, Todd disappeared! How coincidental! Fraud Bentley! The last days ringleader of the Brownsville, Toronto, Lakeland 3 Ring Circus! Repent Todd of die in YOUR sin!
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CurtisGSXR, the evidence is 100% verifiable. It's ashamed that mainstream media REFUSES TO FOLLOW UP! They have an opportunity to either expose this revival as a total shame OR admit that God is up to something! Please get your facts right!
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No it isn't! The "facts" have NOW become NATIONWIDE MEDIA! Todd is a FRAUD! Hes the modern day ringleader in what the bible calls THE FALLING AWAY! 2 Thess. When Date Line NBC followed up, they found only 1 person they could line up records with and the person who was supposedly healed was too sick to be interviewed! Now DO YOUR FOLLOW UP and KILL your IDOL! Todd is a MASTER DECEIVER and a TWISTED EVIL MAN...EVERYONE is to be warned about this apostate and Todd NEEDS TO REPENT from his deception
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 1:08:32 PM
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This morning while we were studying and discussing Acts,
I kept having a slip of the tongue (thinking florida while trying to say lakeland)
and it came out as FLAKELAND.
Then it evolved into FAKELAND.
Was I prophetic? LOL
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 1:35:29 PM
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Billy Brim and Gloria Copeland.
Touches on Flakeland at counter 8:15
here
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/15/2008 2:19:59 PM
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I'm new to this online community, and I am just glancing over what is written here re FLA and Bentley, I do not know a lot about either, really, I tuned in to several parts of what TVU showed of fla, on god.tv, however, and also in times past, before Todd's tatoos and before FLA, I read writings on his web page, freshfire.ca,
-----I have something to report about what happened while I was reading his teachings, this may have been about 3 years ago, approx. I did have an encounter with the Holy Spirit, while reading the teachings, and it did occur right beside my computer screen while I was on the keyboard, - the presence of the Holy Spirit became tangible, coming through the screen and onto the keyboard and on to me, I became what I would call similar to feeling the effects of a glass of wine with alcohol in it, that type of wine, on an empty stomach, the more I read, the better it felt and the more the effects increased, only it was a much better feeling than wine, much deeper and richer, and it was a full body type of - - - i dont know what words to use to describe it. I did not experience any kind of fear at all associated, but warmth and what I can only use 'honey' to describe, thick and rich and slow to pour like honey would be. This is the honest to Yahshua and YAHWEH truth. I did not imagine it nor did I make it up. It happened every time I opened up the internet to read on that site, so I did it often for about 2 or 3 weeks every day, and every day the same thing occurred.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/15/2008 2:24:37 PM
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I'm new to this online community, and I am just glancing over what is written here re FLA and Bentley, I do not know a lot about either, really, I tuned in to several parts of what TVU showed of fla, on god.tv, however, and also in times past, before Todd's tatoos and before FLA, I read writings on his web page, freshfire.ca,
-----I have something to report about what happened while I was reading his teachings, this may have been about 3 years ago, approx. I did have an encounter with the Holy Spirit, while reading the teachings, and it did occur right beside my computer screen while I was on the keyboard, - the presence of the Holy Spirit became tangible, coming through the screen and onto the keyboard and on to me, I became what I would call similar to feeling the effects of a glass of wine with alcohol in it, that type of wine, on an empty stomach, the more I read, the better it felt and the more the effects increased, only it was a much better feeling than wine, much deeper and richer, and it was a full body type of - - - i dont know what words to use to describe it. I did not experience any kind of fear at all associated, but warmth and what I can only use 'honey' to describe, thick and rich and slow to pour like honey would be. This is the honest to Yahshua and YAHWEH truth. I did not imagine it nor did I make it up. It happened every time I opened up the internet to read on that site, so I did it often for about 2 or 3 weeks every day, and every day the same thing occurred.
Is there a conclusion you have drawn and wish to share?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 2:26:47 PM
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Laugh; Bark; Put Away Your Bible; Dog Chains
Very good sermon by David Wilkerson.
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