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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/15/2008 2:31:33 PM
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bluestone
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I'm new to this online community, and I am just glancing over what is written here re FLA and Bentley, I do not know a lot about either, really, I tuned in to several parts of what TVU showed of fla, on god.tv, however, and also in times past, before Todd's tatoos and before FLA, I read writings on his web page, freshfire.ca,
-----I have something to report about what happened while I was reading his teachings, this may have been about 3 years ago, approx. I did have an encounter with the Holy Spirit, while reading the teachings, and it did occur right beside my computer screen while I was on the keyboard, - the presence of the Holy Spirit became tangible, coming through the screen and onto the keyboard and on to me, I became what I would call similar to feeling the effects of a glass of wine with alcohol in it, that type of wine, on an empty stomach, the more I read, the better it felt and the more the effects increased, only it was a much better feeling than wine, much deeper and richer, and it was a full body type of - - - i dont know what words to use to describe it. I did not experience any kind of fear at all associated, but warmth and what I can only use 'honey' to describe, thick and rich and slow to pour like honey would be. This is the honest to Yahshua and YAHWEH truth. I did not imagine it nor did I make it up. It happened every time I opened up the internet to read on that site, so I did it often for about 2 or 3 weeks every day, and every day the same thing occurred.
We can't go by feelings that are produced. Many here have had the exact opposite feeling while viewing than you have had.
Watching made me WANT a glass of wine...or Nyquil....or Rolaids
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 2:51:23 PM
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hello everyone, I am new, and I do not know my way around this internet community thing, - I have had some personal experiences with the Holy Spirit, in the past, and I want to say that I do not think we can write off parts of the body of Jesus because they say they have had experiences we haven't had, it doesnt make theirs false or fake nor does it make them loony, - its right not to base our relationship with God on experiences, however the bible is full of the record of other's experiences and many of them like what this Todd guy reports.
Tattoos or none, are really a secondary non-issue, they do say something, but not what they are being used as criteria here to judge, I don't think. To really discern Todd's teachings would require someone who was solid on the Holy Writs. theological plus revelational truths, which is quite a less comon mix to find in just one person, or,
the only other route to use to discern is to wait on the Lord yourself and ask for clear guidance as to Todd's source, whether it is the HOLY ONE, or the other side.
I myself would be more inclined to lean in the Holy One's direction, but I have not relaly looked into Todd nor what he is saying and doing now.
If you just judge by appearances and compare that with what you know, even what you know from personal study and or being taught by others, you will tend to view him through the glasses of the opinions of those who have taught you what you know re God and the Word. If you go straight to the LORD yourself and ask for divine discernment and ask Him to show you I think you will be shown by the LORD through the WOrd all kinds of things you may never have noticed or been made aware of before.
There are some seemingly off the wall things in our Holy Scriptures, ie. a guy being asked by God to lie naked in public for so many days, etc. other guys stripping off their clothes and becoming drunk under the annointing of God and prophesying like that for days and days I think, in the buff, nude, and i think it was in some kind of public at least others knew what they were up to, place, ie in a school or temple or etc.
- - - -Moses's from the LORD proof of his connection with God was told to use a snake/rod, and I am sure this type of proof of his divine authority would get him thrown out of every theological institution today, and probably branded as some kind of voodoo witch doctor. Remember the egyptians, they could also do the snake to rod to snake thing, but the difference about Moses's and Aaron's snake is that it beat up and swallowed all the other snakes that they wizards were playing with. However, it was still a snake, and it would still get Moses fired from every pulpit in America and a few other countries I bet, if he produced that as his resume.! Think about it.
- - - - Think about Ezekiel's experiences that would I am sure would get him a free pass to a continuous stay at a state hospital, listed under schizophrenic patient, he could probably do the trip from pupit to straight jacked in under 24 hours, if he was around today and shared from the pulpit in one of our churches this sunday morning. - - -
- - - -so I think judging tatoos, although they do say something, and judging spiritual experiences that we have not had nor heard about too often before, is not an adequate way to discern whether or not the Holy One is Todd's source.(Source)
For example, he hasn't put a live snake up on a pole at the front of the auditorium yet, and told the sick people to look at it to become well,- - - and if he did, would you write him off for that and judge the fact that he was using a snake as proof of the fact that he could not, could not possibly be connected to or a spokesman for our FATHER. ..?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 2:58:10 PM
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..the snake on the pole for healing thing, ....just in case no one remembers which one of our forefathers actually used that in his healing meetings, I want to tell you that that is what Moses did, he conducted his healing meetings by asking everyone to observe a live snake on a pole at the front of the auditorium. Those that believed Moses was sent from God looked and lived, those that did not, died.
---- so,...Todd at least hasn't done anything this kooky, yet, has he? No, whew, thank God for that!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:02:31 PM
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I myself would be more inclined to lean in the Holy One's direction, but I have not relaly looked into Todd nor what he is saying and doing now.
Welcome to Crosswalk hellochurch.
You will enjoy yourself here once you learn your way around.
If you have the time, it will be well spent checking out the information
provided on this thread. Yes, I know, 122 pages. I think you may be
able to get a better grasp of what Lakeland, Fla. i.e. Todd Bentley is
all about.
He has been exposed by the secular media and has dropped out of sight.
Hopefully not to return with the oomph of before. Time will tell.
Again, welcome, you'll like us if you take the time to get to know us and
we will try to get to know you. So, welcome brother.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:04:13 PM
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Helloschurch:
Welcome to this forum
If you will Please go to page one and read this entire thread, you will see that Everything you are saying has already been discussed and laid to rest.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:04:46 PM
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Lapidoth
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..the snake on the pole for healing thing, ....just in case no one remembers which one of our forefathers actually used that in his healing meetings, I want to tell you that that is what Moses did, he conducted his healing meetings by asking everyone to observe a live snake on a pole at the front of the auditorium. Those that believed Moses was sent from God looked and lived, those that did not, died.
---- so,...Todd at least hasn't done anything this kooky, yet, has he? No, whew, thank God for that!
Actually, if you check the references in this thread you will find
TB has done much worse.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:04:50 PM
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There are 122 pages of documentation that not only are Todd Bentleys actions not in line with the Holy Spirit, but rather they are in line with Satan himself. In these 122 pages of thread, there have been several PERSONAL testomonies of members of THIS BOARD who have had experiences in such revivals, people who have first hand experience in dealing with people like Bentley who disreagard the TRUTH of the BIBLE. There are 122 pages filled with reliable first hand experiences of people who attended the freekshow in Lakeland and have came back burdened to share the truth that Bentley is not of God. There has been 122 pages of cases where people Bentley has claimed to heal have remained sick, gotten sicker, or in atleast ONE case DIED!
You can come onto this thread, and claim not to know much about Bentley, but you echo the same lines as Bentley and other WOF followers do. The "touch not God's anointed" or "Dont put God in a box". But the bible does not support you. And if you are unwilling to look at the evidence that has been presented thus far, tell us why we should continue to go in circles with you and others like you who refuse to listen to the truth?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:12:30 PM
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Lapidoth
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for starters here's one of Bentley kicking a guy
with stage 4 cancer in the gut putting the guy
on the floor in pain.
gut kick
Todd's Response:
"I was edited"
Here's David Wilkerson's response to all the WoF voodoo again:
weep
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:23:25 PM
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Lapidoth
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This has definitely been edited............lol.
You got to shovel it up.
By Patricia King
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:23:26 PM
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Welcome HelloChurch.
I would highly recommend reading the thread and checking TB out since you "really" don't know much about him like you said. After I saw him for the first time on God TV, I prayed about it and asked the Lord to reveal the truth to me. After that I couldn't watch him without feeling nauseous. I got the message LOUD & clear. The gift of discernment is a wonderful thing.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/15/2008 3:27:13 PM
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Hi there Hellochurch
Thanks for posting - I don't post too much on here - but I do read. With everything in me I urge you to have nothing to do with that "feeling"..It is NOT God - it is demonic in origin.
I have worked with and counselled people who were caught up in just the kind of thing you have described - I do not care how good it 'feels' - it is NOT God. I am totally alarmed at what you have written - it may feel good now, but down the line you will be looking for someone who can pray for you to help you get rid of it.
The same goes for anyone else experiencing this type of phenomenon. I first encountered it over 20 yrs ago - it is NOT God - REPEAT - NOT God - I don't care who tells you it is - it is NOT God. How I wish this had not happened to you - I am very concerned. Don't brush off my warning.
I am not surprised that this is one of the side effects of Lakeland - although it is the first time I have read of it on this thread. Be concerned - very concerned. This is something you DO NOT want.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/15/2008 3:30:11 PM
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Lapidoth
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Come get head-butted.
C.O.P.D.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:56:17 PM
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Hellochurch
Ummm - Moses did not 'conduct' a 'healing' meeting and the snake on the pole was not alive. God sent judgement in the form of venomous snakes
upon the Israelites because of there complaints against God.
Many Israelites died because of this.
Moses was instructed by God to put a brass serpent on a pole and the Israelites were instructed to look upon the brass snake if they were bitten and wanted to live. Num: 21 4-8
Why didn't God just make the snakes vanish? Because He was making a point about sin and it's consequences and the brass snake actually was a representation of Christ - see John 3: 14,15
Moses did not 'heal' anyone - God healed them when they looked to God in repentance for their sins. God does not do things to make Himself or people look stupid - there is always a point to God's instructions and a reason for same.
I am sorry, but your examples are not evidence of Todd Bentley's authorization from God to do 'weird' and even harmful things. No one has truly benefited from the Lakeland occurence and now the fallout is going to start. Unpleasant evil fallout. Strange spiritual occurences that have no basis in anything Holy.
How do I know? I lived it - I have seen others live it. You don't want to experience it - you need to reject all that has to do with Todd Bentley.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 3:59:31 PM
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Appreciate the David Wilkerson youtube links. Thanks
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 4:05:56 PM
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Lapidoth
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Appreciate the David Wilkerson youtube links. Thanks
Give me a room of those whose hearts are broken and
I'll cry with them.
I've been in the other arena and it is total destruction.
Fun for a spell, but then it all comes to bear.
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http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 4:08:39 PM
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Yes. I appreciate David Wilkerson. I think his walk before the Lord speaks for itself - and if anyone would like to examine 'fruit' there, there is plenty of it and it is good. Not perfect, but good!
The truth is that Todd supporters from Lakeland are now going to be crying - maybe not right away - but when the weird stuff starts, they will be looking for help. I pray God has mercy.
I mean, they already had the weird stuff - I am talking about things that go bump in the night. And in their life. You know, when it all goes south and it seems like the heavens are made of brass?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/15/2008 10:55:51 PM
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..the snake on the pole for healing thing, ....just in case no one remembers which one of our forefathers actually used that in his healing meetings,
---- so,...Todd at least hasn't done anything this kooky, yet, has he? No, whew, thank God for that!
the fact that you call the thing God provided, "kookie" shows exactly how much you need to read the true Word of God.
Please do not EVER base YOUR EXPEIRENCE as truth,, you need to base THE BIBLE, on everything you do, think, touch, see, feel, etc. The Bible is God's Word, not your experience, no matter how wonderful it makes you think you feel.
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