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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/15/2008 11:44:37 PM
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peacebringer
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I'm new to this online community, and I am just glancing over what is written here re FLA and Bentley, I do not know a lot about either, really, I tuned in to several parts of what TVU showed of fla, on god.tv, however, and also in times past, before Todd's tatoos and before FLA, I read writings on his web page, freshfire.ca,
-----I have something to report about what happened while I was reading his teachings, this may have been about 3 years ago, approx. I did have an encounter with the Holy Spirit, while reading the teachings, and it did occur right beside my computer screen while I was on the keyboard, - the presence of the Holy Spirit became tangible, coming through the screen and onto the keyboard and on to me, I became what I would call similar to feeling the effects of a glass of wine with alcohol in it, that type of wine, on an empty stomach, the more I read, the better it felt and the more the effects increased, only it was a much better feeling than wine, much deeper and richer, and it was a full body type of - - - i dont know what words to use to describe it. I did not experience any kind of fear at all associated, but warmth and what I can only use 'honey' to describe, thick and rich and slow to pour like honey would be. This is the honest to Yahshua and YAHWEH truth. I did not imagine it nor did I make it up. It happened every time I opened up the internet to read on that site, so I did it often for about 2 or 3 weeks every day, and every day the same thing occurred.
I am not going to say much about your experience. I am going to recommend you read a poem TWO RIVERS and read it prayfully.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 11:35:25 AM
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Lapidoth
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Benny Hinn says he will come back with footage of Jesus
"physically" appearing in his meetings.
Todd Bentley says Jesus will appear on stage, but you
won't be able to see him.
Jesus Stands Todd Up?
It's called heresy.
< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 7/16/2008 12:53:53 PM >
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 12:45:21 PM
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Lapidoth
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1,700 Todd Bentley clips
youtube
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 1:44:34 PM
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Lapidoth
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From another forum:
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Post subject: I've Changed My Mind About Lakeland Reply with quote
Well, shortly after Lakeland started I was posting here as a "supporter". I had my life transformed in the Brownsville revival, and knowing that many who were offended at Lakeland were from the same camp as those who opposed Brownsville, I naturally took what I thought to be "the proper side". Although I did say I was put off by the hype surrounding Lakeland, I was open to the idea that it was "from God", and I saw critisism from this board that I chalked up to mostly phariseeism.
Then a couple of weeks ago I saw this video on YouTube. It changed my mind once and for all. I don't know what spirit was speaking to Bentley when he was told the revival wasn't about getting people to Jesus, but it's about getting people to believe in "the angel", but I've enough discernment to know it wasn't God's Spirit!
This should be elementary, but since sharing this with others I know who've supported Lakeland, I was shocked to find it really didn't bother them in the least! The leader of the revival says it's not about getting people to Jesus but getting them to believe in "the angel"- SINGULAR. What the heck? Is this the delusion?
Well, I've seen the devil tip his hand and I've turned the other direction. If God allowed me to see it and turn, He'll show others too. I'm praying it happens, and I'm telling everyone I know about this.
I apologise to anybody I might have offended or misled in keeping my "open mind" about Lakeland. I would exhort everyone who still thinks this is "from God" to honestly listen to what's being said on the video. Does the Holy Spirit lead people to Jesus, or angels?
I changed my mind.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 2:03:17 PM
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Lapidoth
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Todd Bentley vs. Paul Washer
here
Paul Washer (59 minutes)
here
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 2:19:27 PM
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What's in a word?
You wanted the T-shirt, here it is
staff suited up
Meh. Living Sacrifice is a Christian band. Can't really zap him for that.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 2:25:51 PM
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I'm sure a lot of you also got this email from godtv.com ....
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After taking a short break to rest after nearly 100 days of back-to-back ministry, Todd Bentley has announced he will be back ministering at the Lakeland Outpouring from Friday this week.
Our coverage of the Lakeland Outpouring has continued every night, LIVE on our webstream (www.god.tv/stream), and we are now going to resume our LIVE on-air coverage of the Lakeland Outpouring from this Friday 18 July.
We will also broadcast a special one-off Healing Revival with Todd Bentley - LIVE from Louisville, Kentucky on 17 July (the day before our Outpouring broadcasts resume). This will also be available online at www.god.tv/stream.
I just sent an email all my family in Louisville that I have emails for warning them.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 2:41:26 PM
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Lapidoth
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quote:
ORIGINAL: stellaluna
quote:
ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
What's in a word?
You wanted the T-shirt, here it is
staff suited up
Meh. Living Sacrifice is a Christian band. Can't really zap him for that.
LOL. I guess it may be in "how" we define christian wouldn't it?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 2:45:05 PM
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Lapidoth
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quote:
ORIGINAL: csl7037
I'm sure a lot of you also got this email from godtv.com ....
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After taking a short break to rest after nearly 100 days of back-to-back ministry, Todd Bentley has announced he will be back ministering at the Lakeland Outpouring from Friday this week.
Our coverage of the Lakeland Outpouring has continued every night, LIVE on our webstream (www.god.tv/stream), and we are now going to resume our LIVE on-air coverage of the Lakeland Outpouring from this Friday 18 July.
We will also broadcast a special one-off Healing Revival with Todd Bentley - LIVE from Louisville, Kentucky on 17 July (the day before our Outpouring broadcasts resume). This will also be available online at www.god.tv/stream.
I just sent an email all my family in Louisville that I have emails for warning them.
Not surprised at all.
We would chase the golden goose until it died.
We would milk the cash-cow until it dried up.
I do think that most of the attendees have had a loved one
or concerned friend voicing their concerns about this nonsense.
But they are ALL being prayed for by everyone I know.
When this one simmers out like those before it, they will wind up
another revival spin to keep it going. While destroying all those in
their path.
NOTE: I just tried to hit that link and the search engine said it can't be found. haha.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 5:14:30 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
More brain-damage, Inc.
"Shake It, Baby, Shake It!"
{yeah, I used to play them old songs}
When I see this clip I am reminded of the movie "When Harry met Sally"
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/16/2008 11:12:35 PM
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Hello - before i go into an essay again with my post, please read Psalm 73, which could describe a person like bentley.
Being Reformed, I know God is in control and nothing happens that He does not allow.
A few tidbits from Psalm 73 for our encouragement -
v4 "for I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked"
16: "when i thought to know this (how the wicked seem to get away with stuff) it was too painful for me, until I went into the sanctuary of God, then understood I their end.
18: Surely thou didst set them in slippery places, thou castest them down into destruction, how are they brought into desolation as in a moment, they are utterly consumed with terrors"
Remember how when Moses also came down from the mountain with the 10 commandments and saw the israelites playing the harlot worshiping the golden calf, and Moses was so mad he threw the tablets down, and broke the calf into teeny tiny pieces, and put the dust of that calf into the river and the poeple had to drink that water (imagine the tummy aches from drinking golden dust in the water).
Remember also what happened with the ones worshipping Baal, and how Elijah called fire down from heaven, that totally destroyed Baal.
well all i got to say is, I dont want to be within 100 feet of when God decides He has had enough shenanigans from bently.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/17/2008 12:43:02 AM
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I would like to say that doctors do not pronounce cures, etc. or healings in this day and age of ours, for insurance etc. reasons, they say instead, that the disease went into remission, instead of saying that the person is healed, in case of lawsuits, etc.
It would not be unreasonable for the doctor to prefer not to be named and refuse interviews, even if thepatient was cured, for insurance and malpractice suits and even just public exposure if the press decided to go a diff. way with their stories, ie if the press trired to prove the doctor was wrong on his first diagnosis, i think most doctores would avoid publicity, and they always use the word remission now, not cures nor healed, remission, which is safe for them and means no lawsuit ispossible. itsbecoming a dirty world.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 12:52:11 AM
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to "youreachristian" - gold dust has medicinal properties if ingested, or is that silver, no i think its silver, my mistake.
re: bentley, why are you so sure he is wrong and why is having money a bad thing and proof of someone being not approved of God, ie. "Job was the richest man in the East", and "God made Abraham very very rich", for example, these were righteous men " Job was a righteous man and eschewed evil"
- - - remember there were people in the Bible that died from using their mouths on anyone God was working through or in, not that I am defending Bently as this, but it is possible this is true and you are writing about him and saying evil things about him. ie"Touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm" should be taken very seriously unless you have a sure Word from the LORD, should you really be taking judging this man into your own hands and mouth. What if you are wrong, which I presume you have been in your life, probably often, and you are using your mouth this negatively on someone whose source is God.?? better be careful with that,
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:06:32 AM
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dear lapidoth (what does your name mean?) I read your link about emma o, and think it is very stinky of you to say something like that, and I have to say it sounded ridiculous, a castle in a yellow river, etc. and the souls from purgatory? purgatory is non existent in the bible, did you know?
its heaven and hell, and re emma, what would ever make you think the angel emma is from darkness's side? Were you aware that the bible is f ull of symbols that have a darkness side and a Holy God's side. ie take the lion for example, the lion is definitely the devil, the roaring lion, seeking someone to eat, however, Jesus is our lion of the tribe of Judah, and He is King. one symbol two meanings, just like angel, is GOd's side and other side, but just to put everything bentley into the garbage can because, or take MOSES FOR EXAMPLE,
----------------------------------------------------------------Moses was given a rod that turned into a SNAKE, can you imagine God giving a snake to his appointed man to use? Did nt God know that snake is a bad word and image for us since the garden, why would He ever choose a snake? as something to demonstrate Moses's resume that he is bona fide and from the Lord. The wizards could throw down their walking sticks and make them turn into snakes too. Same symbol looked similar, only one was sent from God, are you POSITIVE YOU ARE CORRECT? OR SHOULD YOU REPENT WHEN YOU READ THIS NOTE OF MINE, IN CASE, JUST IN CASE YOU MIGHT BE WRONG, AND YOU HAVE OFFENDED THE HOLY ONE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
ONE THING I AM SURE OF IS THAT TODD HAS NEVER PRODUCED A LIVE SNAKE AND STUCK IT ON A POLE AND TOLD THE PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT TO BE HEALED AND TO ESCAPE DEATH. HE SURE NEVER DID ANYTHING THAT WEIRD YET, BUT I KNOW ONE OF THE HEALERS THAT YOU LOOK UP TO DID THAT, AND I AM POSITIVE IF YOUWERE BACK THERE IN THAT CROWD YOU WOULD BE ONE OF THE ONES SURELY TO DIE BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE SAYING, "THAT CANT BE GOD, THAT CAN'T BE GOD, HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT, NEVER US A SNAKE ON A POLE, NEVER USE A SNAKE, DOESNT HE KNOW THAT METAL BANDS USE SNAKES AND CULTS USE THEM, HE WOULD NEVER USE THEM, NEVER! I WONT LOOK AT THAT, I WOnn........t.......kerplunkt, you're gone.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:14:07 AM
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to: lapidoth, I am not defending Bently at this time either, because I have not looked into him or what he is saying well enough to discern, I do know that you cannot make judgements on his source based on his tattoos, - they might show immaturity, but alone they dont exclude him from being used by God, nor prove Todds source as something other than God in and of themselves, I have not seen his tatoos up close either, so dont know what they say i imagine they are about God, though.
I think he backslid, perhaps, and got the tattoos when he was struggling, perhaps, to have them off now, would require plastic surgery, and be very difficult to remove. I think he has done this to make a marked separation in how he appears, from how the typical evanglist appears in north america, perhaps to reach anotehr group of people who can relate, ie. Paul said he became a gentile to reach them, and a jew to reach them, etc. Todd became non main stream to win non mainstream perhaps?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:16:14 AM
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hellochurch
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to lapidoth: p.s. who are you winning, and what methods are you using?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:21:47 AM
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p.s. again to lapidoth, although I do not know enough of Bentley's work to know whether to support him or not, I do know that what I have read here is crushing criticism and I am wondering why. Did you or others receive a direct Word from the Lord which you are to give to Bentley to correct him and if so you should be giving it to him, and if not you are standing on shaky ground being so demolishing toward him, because you can easily be just plain wrong, and especially since a healer you advocate uses far worse methods of healing than you have mentioned about Bentley, ie a healer you revere tells people to look at the live snake on the pole that he holds up at the front of the auditorium and tells them to do this or they are going to die. I heard you were a fan of this healer, I thnk his name is MOIshe, o r Moses. Your fanship seems to lack the same kind of scathing criticism you are applying to Bentley, but i dont see why, Bentley has never done anything as outlandish as that, and you are a fan of that snakepole guy, I am sure of it.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:23:08 AM
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Just an FYI on the tattoos. Bentley has been RECORDED as saying he got the tattoos BEFORE he was saved. Yet there is VIDEO EVIDENCE of him at the Toronto "revival" where he did NOT have the tattoos. Its not that tattoos are wrong, but rather that he is LYING about WHEN AND WHY he got them. I have even defended some of his tattoos from others (people thinking the Japanese Kanji characters meant Emma when they do not).
And as for Emma. Emma-O is in Japanese Buddhaist mythology as the guardian of hell. Early References to Emma by Bentley specifically mentioned "Emma-O" not just "Emma". Couple this with Bentley being recorded as saying that he was told that people need the Angel NOT CHRIST JESUS, and we see exactly what this "angel" is all about. Emma can not be both of God and of Satan. It is one or the other. Furthermore, when it was noted that Bentley's "Emma-O" had the same name as a demon, all references to that name on his site were taken OFF. If "Emma" trully was of God, then why hide the name of this Angel? Trying to hide what he said like this is more evidence that he is not of God.
As for medical evidence. My mother was diagnosed with Lukemia well over ten years ago. After she started attending church again, leaning back on the lord, further examinations revealed that the Lukemia was in full remission. She has her medical records from before and after that PROVE the Lukemia is gone. THAT is TRUE proof of Healing. Furthermore, there has been MORE documented evidence of people NOT being healed by Bentley, then those who are healed. Saddly one such evidence is a Pastor who DIED less than 2 weeks after Bentley "healed him".
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:25:13 AM
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dear lapidoth; i don't believe the person who quoted that Bently said anything about getting people to believe in any angel. I really don't. I watched enough of him on god.tv to know that did not fit with what was on there. not at all, i think your quote is untrue.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:26:14 AM
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to lapidoth: p.s. who are you winning, and what methods are you using?
As someone new to this forum and this thread let me give you some advise and some facts.
FACT...You dont know WHO we are. You dont know what ministries we are in. Do you think that our lives only revolve around this forum? Believe it or not you are not the first one to try this line of attack. You assume that we are all nothings yet you dont know our personal stories. You assume to much.
Furthermore, there is not going to be a reward for how many souls you save when you get to heaven. There is no "ranking" system with the ones with more souls saved get a better spot in heaven. This is a lie that the WOF crowd has cooked up to rack in the gullible and the nieve.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:29:16 AM
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dear lapidoth; i don't believe the person who quoted that Bently said anything about getting people to believe in any angel. I really don't. I watched enough of him on god.tv to know that did not fit with what was on there. not at all, i think your quote is untrue.
Believe in the Angel
The focus should ALWAYS be on Jesus. Not some angel. ONLY CHRIST JESUS!!! Focusing on anything else is SATANIC!! Satan WANTS our eyes off of Jesus. Satan WANTS us to think we need "something new". Christ Jesus is ALL we need. And no Angel can give us anything that Christ Jesus has not already given us.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/17/2008 1:30:55 AM
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hello, he did say it. He said it rather pointedly. There are even videos out there with full context and prior to that was talking about having Braham's angel. He did say it.
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Interesting note and we all need to be cognizant of truth. Man who was kicked by Bentley does report a significant drop in his blood work.
http://battle4truth.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/stage-4-cancer-patient-interview/
If you read the article, what I find to be the important note, is he went seeking the spirit of God not Todd.
I have stated somewhere before, and I don't know if here. I do beleive healings have occured.
When they do, do so of one of 3 options
1. Kundalini
2. Demonic healing
3. God chose to act in that persons life in accordance with what he was asking of God.
I think the man was assaulted in fact because he was a person truely seeking God.
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