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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:26:21 PM
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lbolm
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It is not a matter of you should question God. It is a matter of most people do question God after they are deceived. They feel betrayed by God even though His word is there for them to receive.
Thanks, Wes, for your kind remarks. The problem then becomes the fact that they think God allowed them to be deceived ? WOW! Good thing I trust God a lillte bit more than that !
If I can't trust God with ALL areas of my life, then how could I trust Him to be my Salvation ?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:32:08 PM
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I don't know your age, geography, background, etc.
So, I can only speak to what I do know and have seen.
The prosperity message has ruined many I know and they
either condemned themselves because they don't have the faith,
or some actually turn against God because of what the charlatans
promised and did not deliver.
Lapidoth,
Maybe you should visit my site @lbolm.wordpress.com and see who I am.
Also, when did the "properity message" get to be in this discussion?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:35:35 PM
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Lapidoth
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I don't know your age, geography, background, etc.
So, I can only speak to what I do know and have seen.
The prosperity message has ruined many I know and they
either condemned themselves because they don't have the faith,
or some actually turn against God because of what the charlatans
promised and did not deliver.
Lapidoth,
Maybe you should visit my site @lbolm.wordpress.com and see who I am.
Also, when did the "properity message" get to be in this discussion?
Thanks for the invite, I'll do that.
Prosperity, WoF, Healing (Bentley style), whatever, it comes from the same source.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:41:09 PM
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Lapidoth
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couldn't get in to the site.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:43:46 PM
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lbolm
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lbolm.wordpress.com
lower case LBOLM
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:46:54 PM
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Lapidoth
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it was asking for a password, so I still didn't get in.
I backtracked and found you.
Hi, Jake. lol.
I have the some-timers, you know short-term memory. lol.
A link in your profile would make it easier for the puter illiterate as myself.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:54:18 PM
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Will somebody PLEASE tell me wat to do with this one ! Hmmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNF1BPDwE4
A number of years ago I was 'healed' in a Todd type service - sprained ankle - turned out the so-called evangelist was a practicing homosexual.
Along with the healing, I received demonic spirits that I had no idea were not from God - they came as angels of light. I will not discuss the misery they caused me as at that time I had no idea about that sort of thing. I sure do now, though.
How about the slave girl that followed after Paul - she was only telling the truth when she said that Paul was a servant of the Most High God. For some reason Paul did not like what she was saying. Was it because she was lying? NO IT WAS BECAUSE THE SPIRIT BEHIND WHAT SHE WAS SAYING WAS DEMONIC - EVEN THOUGH IT WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.
Actually, Jesus may have healed the child. I have been healed of a few things - but knowing it was God and not in the midst of a demonic circus.
Interesting that this is a 6 yr old child - perhaps God did heal her - but I doubt Todd yelling about it had anything to do with it.
I am sorry you are so gleeful about this. It also surprises me because, even if it is true, we are talking about ONE XRAY in supposed thousands being healed. That mean anything to you?
So, yeah, I will tell you what to do with 'this' - frame it, because it is only ONE out of thousands and thousands that are supposed to be healed and offer no proof. Must be worth something.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:56:51 PM
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Good thing Enoch didn't question God, EH ? He just believed without any "scriptural evidence" that there is a God and that belief, that kind of Faith is what pleases God. Hebrews 11:6 !
Enoch didn't get to "follow up on" it, when BAM,[pun intended], LOL!
It is not a sin to question God. I do it all the time. In fact, how 'bout those Bereans, huh? They questionned everything and were commended for it.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 4:59:03 PM
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[quote]I am sorry you are so gleeful about this.[/quote]
Solarflare,
Why shouldn't I be gleeful about this. God is the healer, not TB, Benny or anyone else.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:02:22 PM
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My only question to the "one" X-ray is why it wasn't given to the
networks who were asking for proof?
Just a thought.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:03:04 PM
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IBOLM OR IS THAT EYEBALM
A healing is not FRUIT - we are to judge by fruit - a healing (genuine)
can also be attributed to Satan - he can also do that - so really,
we are left NOWHERE other than where we were at the start of your
gleeful 'proof'.
See, that's what happens when people do not study - but just run around mouthing off what they hear somewhere else - and yeah, I'm getting a little disrespectfull because I KNOW what kind of fruit is ripening in the Benlty orchard - and it is rotten.
Yeah, that's what happens - YOU CANNOT JUDGE A MINISTRY BY THIS. IT IS NOT THE CRITERIA SET OUT IN SCRIPTURE FOR PROOF OF A GODLY ANNOINTING - so, why don't you take your Bible and go on a long vacation and study it.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:07:08 PM
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[quote]It is not a sin to question God. I do it all the time. In fact, how 'bout those Bereans, huh? They questionned everything and were commended for it. [/quote]
Solarflare,
I too question God about things like injustice in the world, BUT, those things about my Faith in Him, no I don't.
My point about Enoch is to some, considered to be "blind faith", but according to Hebrews 11:6, it is that kind of Faith that Enoch walked in that pleased God. HE IS THAT HE IS.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:10:19 PM
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I too question God about things like injustice in the world,
No, that is not what I am talking about. Injustice? This is a fallen world.
You know, I hope you don't drive a standard, 'cause you're gonna strip the gears if you drive the way you write. You jump to 'those things about my faith in him I don't (question).' I don't even use the expression
'blind faith' - that is not even Scriptural. I really don't think we have the same Bible.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:13:35 PM
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lbolm
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My only question to the "one" X-ray is why it wasn't given to the
networks who were asking for proof?
Just a thought. [/quote ]
Lapidoth,
My only guess would be, because this was done back in the early stages of this "event" that no one was thinking "down the road this might be nice to have to show on Nightline". You will notice that it was in the Ignited Church when this "healing" took place. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying TB healed the little Girl, because her testimony was "Jesus came and visited her".
In my time in the Ministry, I have heard several young children, as young as 2 years old, testify to seeing Jesus in the night.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:20:14 PM
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lbolm
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No, that is not what I am talking about. Injustice? This is a fallen world.
Solarflare,
I know you aren't talking about injustice. My point being, there is very little I question God about.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:21:45 PM
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No, that is not what I am talking about. Injustice? This is a fallen world.
Solarflare,
I know you aren't talking about injustice. My point being, there is very little I question God about.
Really? Then you know more than I do
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:26:20 PM
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lbolm
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No, that is not what I am talking about. Injustice? This is a fallen world.
Solarflare,
I know you aren't talking about injustice. My point being, there is very little I question God about.
Really? Then you know more than I do
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Really? Then you know more than I do
Care to explain that one ?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:31:15 PM
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Sure why not - I've got all night - unless of course the thunderstorm that is threatening makes good, in which case I will be shutting down and pulling the plug. Already lost one modem not too long ago - so, if I disappear, it's not 'cause I don't like your company. 
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:32:02 PM
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lbolm
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I have to go for today!
See you all tomorrow!
In Christ Jesus
Jake
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 5:40:36 PM
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I have to go for today!
See you all tomorrow!
In Christ Jesus
Jake
I guess he's on a whirlwind tour. We are definately NOT on the same wavelength. I feel like I have just been involved in a hit and run...........checked out the site - you cannot play both sides - hey LBOLM, it appears you are open to spiritual expriences without verifying if they are of God or not. Why am I not surprised? Thanks for your time.
uh, hello? hello? Oh, yeah, that's right. he couldn't wait around for my answer 
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 6:53:16 PM
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I don't know your age, geography, background, etc.
So, I can only speak to what I do know and have seen.
The prosperity message has ruined many I know and they
either condemned themselves because they don't have the faith,
or some actually turn against God because of what the charlatans
promised and did not deliver.
Lapidoth,
Maybe you should visit my site @lbolm.wordpress.com and see who I am.
Also, when did the "properity message" get to be in this discussion?
The Word of Faith circles go hand in hand with what is happening at Lakeland.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/18/2008 8:22:43 PM
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dear earthless; since this was posted back in june, i dont know if anyone is still on this board, or how this whole thing really works.
I would like to apologize for my long posts in other places as I see others make shorter ones, and maybe that is the way all prefer it.
I would really like to know if spellcheck is availableve somewhere on this type the message board as I don't see one, but it might be hidden.
I listened to the clip on Todd saying " they church believe in Jesus but don't believe in the supernatural for them right now, the church at large many denominations and many groups of christians are closed to any supernatural in the church for today, type of thing, and that God wanted Todd to get the church to believei n the supernatural believe in angels now amoung us, believe in the moving of the Holy SPirit today, etc."
which was titled by those who are negative toward Todd as "Todd telling people to not focus on Jesus, but focus on Emma instead."
I listened to the clip and Todd did not say what his critics claimed and how they titled the criticism, it was a b i g stretch to title it what they did, and I think it was a below the belt criticism, something being drummed up on purpose, someone looking for a way to make out that he said something so outlandish,
It wasnt the way the title claimed at all, I listened to the clip and the critics title and criticism wrongfully twisted what the guy said into something he didnt say.
This is just plain bad, and wrong. and I am surprised at you earthless that you supported that.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/18/2008 8:46:10 PM
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dear earthless; since this was posted back in june, i dont know if anyone is still on this board, or how this whole thing really works.
I would like to apologize for my long posts in other places as I see others make shorter ones, and maybe that is the way all prefer it.
I would really like to know if spellcheck is availableve somewhere on this type the message board as I don't see one, but it might be hidden.
Use Mozilla FireFox, it has an automatic built in spell checker.
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I listened to the clip on Todd saying " they church believe in Jesus but don't believe in the supernatural for them right now, the church at large many denominations and many groups of christians are closed to any supernatural in the church for today, type of thing, and that God wanted Todd to get the church to believei n the supernatural believe in angels now amoung us, believe in the moving of the Holy SPirit today, etc."
which was titled by those who are negative toward Todd as "Todd telling people to not focus on Jesus, but focus on Emma instead."
I listened to the clip and Todd did not say what his critics claimed and how they titled the criticism, it was a b i g stretch to title it what they did, and I think it was a below the belt criticism, something being drummed up on purpose, someone looking for a way to make out that he said something so outlandish,
It wasnt the way the title claimed at all, I listened to the clip and the critics title and criticism wrongfully twisted what the guy said into something he didnt say.
This is just plain bad, and wrong. and I am surprised at you earthless that you supported that.
Considering we have had over 125 pages of posts, please cite the clip you're speaking about. I want to see the clip again and what the claims of the contents of the clip were - if you have to cite just a page number of this thread, that is fine. I will go from there.
As for your other comments - Todd Bentley could literally raise dead people from cemeteries and nothing would matter. Because his teachings are false, his focus is heretical, and his claims are unbiblical.
If he repents of all of that, gets saved (because he attributes his conversion experience to Emma, not to Jesus) and sincerely moves onto sound doctrine, then praise Jesus!
Until then? The alarm will continue to be sounded by me and other Bereans.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 7/18/2008 8:53:20 PM
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dear Lapidoth; (what is the meaning behind why you chose your handle/name for this board?)what is lapidoth?
First I want to apologize for posting such long writings, I am new to this whole way of connecting on the internet, so please bare with me.
I might still be longwinded if I am trying to get a point across.
You all seem to know each other and many agree with anti-Word of Faith, and anti -Bentley,--- it seems, although I have seen support and good things said about both topics.
I would like to comment on these two topics.
Number one, I am not a word of faith adher-er (if this is a word) or someone who has looked into Bently a lot as yet.
I have listened to Copeland and believe what he teaches on the covenants of God, Abraham's covenant and blessing, and the results of it, which is a bible covenant that is explained in many places, and which is also for the new testament believer, who is a grafted in jew by heart circumcision, to include everthing that was given to Adam, and bought back by Jesus. for the believers today.
This I believe is all true according to the bible. Copeland does not teach a prosperity gospel from anything i have heard.
He teaches the full covenant of Abraham, given to Jesus, and then given to us, through Jesus, our joint-heirship, - through this giving it to us, it restores all the deuteronomy blessings to us, and removes all of the curse, supernaturally, by us walking in it by our belief and trust in the promises of God and not doubting.
for example, the bible says,"God made Abraham very very rich." quote, and also "The blessing of the Lord makes rich, and adds no sorrow." RICH does not just mean spiritual things, it also means natural temporal things.
I think copeland has been wrongfully criticized by many for way toolong, and the whole prosperity gospel even the name of it, is wrong to do to them, because what they teach is right out of the bible, guaranteed. it is not new, it is not heresy, it is real and the bible says it, in many many places.
Also re Bentley, I have read some nasty criticisms on these pages of what the guy has supposedly said, and then when i click on the link I go with that link to a down with bentley site that is shredding him wrongfully, using drummed up things with clips of him actually speaking, and the drummed up things that are printed all in big letters, when you hear the clip, Bently didn't even say that and you can tell he did not mean anything like that.
This I believe is just plain wrong, especially in light of the fact that what is going on there, even thoug people don't agree, havent seen it before, are afraid of it, it is not in keeoping with their opinions of what they think the bibile says, even though all of this, it is just
....plain possible that what is goingon could very well be of God.
Remember Bently has not;
-handled snakes as a sign that God sent him, like moses did
-put a snake on a pole at the front of the auditorium and told people to -look at it to be healed, like Moses did,
-told people if they refused to look at the snake on thepole, they would all be killed immediately, (and they were) Moses did.
-has not reported flying saucers like ezekiel did,
-has not said he got pulled out of his body on a trip to the third heaven like the apostle paul did, (oh sorry, he did say that)
-told anyone that a burning bush told him to travel to a country far away and rescue several million people, like moses did,
-lain naked on one side publicly as a sign of a message from God, like I think it was Isaiah did,
-took off his dirty underwear and buried it under a rock til it rotted, then carried it around with him as a sermon illustration, (another bible prophet)
-lived in the desert all by himself, and ate bugs and wild honey, like john the baptist did,
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---so you can be glad that you do not have to discern anything outlandish, just a few piercings, tatoos, and references to real supernatural beings that the bible talks about and calls angels.
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I'm not going to judge him because I really do believe he started out to be sincere, but didn't test the spirits that visited him and he is preaching a false doctrine (knowingly or not). But, he said something about the honey cloud that was on him for 3 months. I thought I remembered you saying something about this. Would it be too much to ask you exactly what this is? If so I understand. It's just one of those things that's an unknown to me and hard to believe it's real. But, I use to think the same thing about prophetic words and I have experienced that now. 
Talk about credibility after that! And, he was supposively calling out word of knowledge about people who needed healings in certain areas of their body. He would say something about an eye or a hand and 3 or 4 people would come up on the stage about each one. The thought came to me that TB could easily read cards filled out each night or keep mental record of what the main needs of healing are in each meeting and call it out. And, then it sounds like he is getting a word from God, ya know? Oh, well...just my thoughts on it.
