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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/3/2008 12:35:03 AM   
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So. I'm home relaxing on a Saturday evening...watching Seinfeld after the evening news...and then this other program comes on, I'm not paying attention, blah blah blah. Then I realize there's a guy yelling "FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!" all over the place, so I start trying to figure out what it is. Guess what? It's GodTV from Lakeland. In my living room. On my television.

The 30-minute program is on right now. It's called "Anointed for Impact." I used to work at the TV station it's airing on...and I can tell you for a fact that Fresh Fire has to be paying for this slot. And there's a crawl asking for money, oh excuse me, asking people to "sow a financial seed." Look for it on your favorite local TV station.

No sign of Todd. The substitute guy is sending this "fire" out to all the cities represented there in Lakeland and he's imparting "fire" through the TV into everyone's living rooms.

He's commissioning people to do things that they used to do and no longer do? Don't know what that means, but oh wait, now he's moved on to healing. It's like multi-personality preaching or something.

Here are some direct quotes:
"This movement is about building people up into the fullness of who we are in the Lord."
"Lives are being changed right now, destinies are being set in right now. The sound of the pig is being set in right now." (I swear it sounded like pig, I listened to it repeatedly.)

This guy is out there and doesn't make sense, but he's a lot more coherent than Todd Bentley. It actually looked like he might really preach; he stopped in front of his bible, but then he walked away and started calling the prodigals back home. Now it's cut away to a commercial for Stand Firm World Ministries and they want me to be a partner by sending money. And it's over. I'm going to bed. I don't think anything got into my living room.

Here are direct email addresses: testimony@sfwm.org, prayer@sfwm.org
Just in case anyone feels like sending something...you know...uplifting.

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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 8/4/2008 7:29:45 PM   
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They also have never heard of rear curtain syncing. . . it's a photograph technique that creates the blurred lights they call angels. . .


How would skeptics who don't believe these glory orbs are from God explain them?

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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 8/5/2008 8:01:50 AM   
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They also have never heard of rear curtain syncing. . . it's a photograph technique that creates the blurred lights they call angels. . .


How would skeptics who don't believe these glory orbs are from God explain them?

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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 8/5/2008 8:32:07 AM   
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It is a term known in the photography world at bokeh, it makes the background behind or beside an object or person look blurred, and it makes background lights, flowers, microphones, etc. look like blurred orbs.

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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 8/5/2008 9:48:07 AM   
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It is a term known in the photography world at bokeh, it makes the background behind or beside an object or person look blurred, and it makes background lights, flowers, microphones, etc. look like blurred orbs.


Oh bluestone!! How could you? Here you go spoiling all my bokeh fun!!!
I take exception (said in fun )
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 8/5/2008 9:58:54 AM   
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well, I do own a nikon 50mm f/1.8 lens , but I suppose it is more fun to think of angels.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/5/2008 12:07:12 PM   
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Here is a youtube video from Paula Price.

I'm not trying to start a discussion on women preachers or anything, I just found what she said rather interesting.

She compares the signs and wonders crowd i.e. Todd Bentley, etc... to Simon the Sorcerer.

I'm not saying I agree with every detail she said, I just found what she said interesting, plus I wanted to show someone from the Pentecostal camp not supporting this stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLrki3ZmtI


This was refreshing.
Someone who isn't jumping on the bandwagon of Lakeland.

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/5/2008 4:33:37 PM   
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Todd Bentley/Fresh Fire Ministries Research Page

Compiled by Bud Press, Director

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/5/2008 4:36:31 PM   
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Bentley, Cain, Rick Joyner and the disgraced and discredited Bob Jones*** all admire the false prophet Branham to this day. They saw him as great and wanted to be regarded as the next Great one. The people, who are so enamored by these false prophets, want greatness also, but in a different way. They lust for a "Great showy display of the power of God", their hearts are not right. Like the Samaritans in Acts 8, they are willing to be "astonished" by sorceries, false signs, gold dust, stigmata, etc, because they have departed away from God, and any sense of the truly awesome. Proverbs 9 says, "By the knowledge of the Holy comes understanding". Unfortunately these people have no understanding- listening to Bentley et al, one hears story after story of the varied subjective experiences these Mystics are having-"in the Holy place”,"under the shepherd's Rod"- yearly appointments with Jesus, of course on the Day of Atonement. As the Samaritans were enamored with Simon the Great, the so called Great power of God, this adulterous generation clamors for and will receive many more, perhaps even more powerful versions of Bentley, Cain, Joyner, Jones, and even Branham, until the coming of the ultimate "Great Man"- the antichrist, himself!


Simon Magus

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/5/2008 4:39:07 PM   
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My People Love It So…
Why There Must Be Yet Another Mystical Revival
By: Pastor Bill Randles

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Why does this blatant occultism, which in any other time would have been rigorously discerned and rejected by all evangelicals, now have a growing following? Because, My people love to have it so… the problem goes deeper than the heretical leaders of these movements, it is a matter of the unfaithfulness and disloyalty of God’s own people! There has to be a Todd Bentley trafficking in Angels, and reveling in the “power of God”, if there wasn’t one, someone would have to come up with one, to express and manifest the false spirituality of the multitudes of God’s people.


To Expose God's People

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These apparent ‘signs and wonders’ are a spiritual test, God would have us know whether we “love the Lord our God with all “ of our heart and soul. What we are witnessing in this phenomenon is nothing less than spiritual adultery; MY People love to have it so… the last day’s defection we were warned about from the beginning. Who loves God with all of their heart and soul? Is it those who are constantly seeking ‘the power’? Is it those who are ‘madly in love with Jesus’? Is it those who are so tolerant of their ‘ministers’ that there is nothing they could ever say or do that would dissuade them from supporting them? Paul Cain can be exposed as a drunkard, Bob Jones as an abuser of women, but a Rick Joyner and a Todd Bentley can re-instate them into ministry as great men of God, even Fathers of the “prophetic”!


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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/5/2008 4:44:09 PM   
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Deception can only deceive if it looks somewhat like the real thing. Apologist Craig Hawkins explains:

“We must realize that the way to deceive people with counterfeits is to imitate the genuine article as closely as possible. For example, if counterfeiters want to pass off fake one-hundred-dollar bills, they do not print Donald Duck’s picture on purple paper. Instead they attempt to duplicate a true bill. Similarly, despicable persons who try to deceive others attempt to appear genuine and sincere. They do not walk up to you and inform you that they are there to deceive and defraud you. The far more effective method is faking friendship and fidelity.”1

Goethe taught that we are never deceived but that we deceive ourselves. It is true that religious hucksters are believed because people want to believe them. People want the claims to be true. One of Martin Luther’s favorite sayings was “mundus vult decipi” — the world wants to be deceived.


Me? Deceived?

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/5/2008 9:13:18 PM   
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Sigh! Another video from Patricia King.

All I can see is, Words fail me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlAYqVz1TgI
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/5/2008 10:08:05 PM   
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/6/2008 11:53:58 AM   
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Sigh! Another video from Patricia King.

All I can see is, Words fail me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlAYqVz1TgI


That breaks your heart.

"making them twice the child of hell."

Matthew 23:15 (KJV) [Jesus speaking]
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte,
and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the
child of hell than yourselves."

Dear God, help us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 8/6/2008 3:46:54 PM   
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Thanks for the link. I've been reading more on Todd Bentley. For those interested, you can read my notes that I've compiled with many Bible verses.

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Todd Bentley/Fresh Fire Ministries Research Page

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Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/6/2008 6:25:16 PM   
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That breaks your heart.


Umberto Eco's incredible novel The Name of the Rose gives a great deal of attention to the endemic craziness of the historical era he described. The medieval age was running on empty, the Reformation was gestating, and all kinds of revolutionary, supernatural, and demonic movements were afoot.

Apparently, during times of mass anxiety at the end of an era, demonic breakthroughs erupt. A culture's immune system is compromised. Our Lord's era, for example, had a lot of demonic activities going on. So much so that "vagabond Jews, exorcists" like the sons of Sceva could find ready employment. (Acts 20)

There was real spiritual power released when Hitler spoke, towards the end of civilized Germany's history, just before all Hades broke loose. (see the documentary Triumph of Will someday -- it literally begins with Hitler descending through the clouds ... )

Could it be that the Todd Bentley "healing crusade" with its massive weirdness falls into this category, as an end-of-an-era indicator?

(this is not a conversation on eschatology. Ages have ended before -- and as we see in Matt. 24, it's very easy even for people close to Jesus to confuse the end of their world with the end of the world.)

Well, there are two ways to consider this issue. We can fixate on the evil being unleashed, and cry out to God for all His dear children who are swept up in this madness, losing their minds, and becoming even less competent with their lives.

Or, we can give thought to real things God is assembling behind the scenes, and seek to be in on what He is up to. Rom. 12:21

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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/7/2008 1:46:42 PM   
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In my last update I said, “more exciting details will be forthcoming!” That said, our Board of Directors, ministry leadership, and spiritual advisors have considered and prayed into several key factors relating to good management and good stewardship of the revival. With venue costs and other practical matters in sight, a decision has been made to change the venue back to Ignited Church effective Sunday, Aug.3. Fresh Fire Ministries will continue to lead the revival meetings until August 23rd and after that, for the time being, the meetings will be under the direction of Pastor Stephen Strader and Ignited Church. Meetings will continue at the same time: 10AM and 7PM each day. Check the Fresh Fire website www.freshfire.ca for Ignited Church’s address.


http://www.freshfire.ca/

And with all the documentation that NOT ONE single miracle
and/or healing can be verified, it doesn't stop them in selling
DVD's of the "Best of the Outpouring."
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God continues to stoke the fire of people’s hearts in this four DVD set, featuring more miracles, signs and wonders from The Florida Outpouring.

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This four DVD set highlights amazing testimonies and the transferable anointing power witnessed at The Florida Outpouring. Each DVD is filled with healings, signs, miracles, and wonders as thousands travel from all around the globe to be part of this significant revival.


< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 8/7/2008 1:53:11 PM >


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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/7/2008 1:55:33 PM   
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* * BIRMINGHAM ENGLAND POSTPONED * *

At present, our scheduled meeting to take place in Birmingham at the NEC center has be forcibly postponed. The NEC center is undergoing some renovation work to semi-attached surrounding building structures and we have been informed that the Stadium is not to be used during this time. So, with this information in mind, we have been left with no choice but to postpone our event as we do not have a venue for this period of time. Unfortunately, our scheduled meetings and itinerary are always subject to change as we have little control over such things as venues and speakers etc.


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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/7/2008 2:02:37 PM   
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I became curious after watching the video and called numerous funeral homes in and around Lakeland, Florida. I spoke to officials and asked questions pertaining to a dead-man being raised to life from his coffin. A few asked, "Are you serious?" while others laughed.



But without exception, they all said it had not happened.


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Anyway, one funeral home representative said that a family--via the Lakeland revival--had come to the funeral home and prayed for one that had died, but the burial took place as scheduled.


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It never hurts to ask, due to the fact that documented proof will stand up to intense scrutiny--provided the story is true, that is.



But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:21-22).



Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1).


Empty Coffin?

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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/7/2008 2:07:45 PM   
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August 04, 2008
The Tents are Down and Todd Bentley is Leaving Lakeland

Todd Bentley Revival Ending


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We're after an atmosphere," Bentley said. "Come on people of God, we're after a revival atmosphere."

Hanegraaff, the host of the "Bible Answer Man" radio program, said he often gets criticized for "judging" Bentley. Hanegraaff said such criticism is not biblical.

"Not only is judging permissible -- it is a responsibility. Nobody's teachings are above sound judgment. Especially those who have influence and power," he wrote on his website, adding that people are leaving the meetings shipwrecked in their faith. "… While our Lord cautioned followers not to judge self-righteously, He also counseled them to make judgments based on right standards, and in the context of oft-quoted commands by Jesus such as 'Judge not or you too will be judged,' Jesus also exhorted us to judge false prophets whose teachings and whose behavior lead people to abject misery. Thus, while we're commanded not to judge hypocritically, we are, nevertheless, called to judge."


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I'm sure you have heard that the Lakeland meetings have dwindled,
and the "big tent" has been abandoned in favor of the 700-seat
Ignite church once again. I'm sure you have heard that your man
Todd Bentley's meetings in England have been cancelled, and
that respected leaders even within your own movements have
found vast evidence of falsehoods, fraudulent claims, manipulation
and hype of the most blatant kind. The news of it is worldwide. It
is not just ABC Nightline. It is your own people saying these things.


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the British press is calling Bentley "A US
child sex offender turned church minister who tries to cure cancer
victims by kicking them" - and that 79% of Britons polled want to
keep him out of the country. Where is the glory to Jesus in this?
How could Todd even set foot in England under such a cloud?


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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/7/2008 2:22:32 PM   
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August 04, 2008
The Tents are Down and Todd Bentley is Leaving Lakeland

Todd Bentley Revival Ending


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NO!!!!! Say it isn't so!!! I'll have to go back to watching Entertainment Tonight!
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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/7/2008 2:59:11 PM   
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If you're old enough, you may remember this song:


REVIVAL

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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/7/2008 3:48:26 PM   
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If you're old enough, you may remember this song:


REVIVAL


You betcha!!! He's one of my favorites!!!
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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/10/2008 10:16:08 PM   
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If you're old enough, you may remember this song:


REVIVAL


Just watched that Squirrel video with my youngest boy (11). That was really funny!! Sad that so many people are falling for false revivals, which is not very funny .....

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RE: Todd Bentley, the Name of the Rose, end-of-era madness - 8/11/2008 3:48:40 AM   
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I went to a meeting led by the guy responsible for the outpouring in Dudley uk. Here is my account first hand. I mean this to be impartial but forgive me if it is not.

Half an hour of good praise music. Songs about Jesus' power etc. The worship was enthusiastic.
After worship a collection was taken..they had done away with the usual collecting pockets and were using waste paper baskets. We were told that we needed to invest into the outpouring by giving. There was no plan to use the money but it was to be given as an offering. THis struck me as a wof thing. It was not comfy.(This added to a table on the way in displaying books and cd's for sale.)

After this a talk by trevor baker, the talk consisted of basically saying God still heals today. As soon as he stepped up his head began shaking and he kept making involuntary grunts. He made a quick reference to all the skeptiks trying to put down the movement. His wife took to the keyboard and we sang parts of some worship songs and some basic songs that were repeated many times three of the four songs all mentioned angels not sure why I noticed that, nothing wrong with saying that the angels worship God but hmm not sure why I felt funny about that. Apparently "tonight" was particularly strong in the anointing and a glory cloud was coming down. (what is that?). As soon as the music finished the keyboard playing just continued the whole way through as a background music (benny hinn style-actually very annoying) Trevor then spoke out words of knowledge about conditions in the crowd that God wanted to heal.....arthritis, vertigo back problems and cancer etc. People came forward and were prayed for. Some claimed healing and so I praised God for those. It seemed to me that Trevor was the only person praying over people. I was eager to pray for people I knew who wanted healing but really felt it was not for me to do there.
Aside from those who were healed were people who were not, but who got up from the floor with difficulty and walked back to their chairs seemingly unnoticed. Trevor did say that people should say if they had not recieved healing. One girl in particular was not healed. I was uncomfortable with the way she was spoken to. I went out and prayed with her for peace and to know that God would do all in his perfect timing. I witnessed a lady with a back problem get off the floor with great difficulty but she went back to her seat silently.

I do not doubt the healings but for those who weren't healed there was very little assurance.

After the healing time Trevor gave a talk about his involvement in the movement he talked of visions and about his trips into the spiritual realm. Not particularly unusual if you do believe in spiritual visions. He talked of an angel visitation. Again not so unusual. I myself have seen an angel before and it too was very very tall. But I only saw it's legs. Trevor talks of this being radiant and with Golden hair. He said he wasn't sure if this was "the angel of the revival"

After then I had to go home but he was just talking about an impartation and he was going to give it to each and every one. I wasn't there for that so I can't comment on that situation. Though he didn't explain what an impartation is.

As for what I saw up till then I would say there was a strong wof atmosphere. Many things grated on me and made me very uncomfortable. But as for evil presence I couldn't discern that. But there was confusion and dissapointment amongst the genuine praise and worship.

There was talk of angelic visitations and of entering heaven. But there was no talk about Jesus and his sacrifice, Forgiveness and repentance were not mentioned. He did though briefly say that people had been saved by the revival. (These things may have been mentioned after I left? or maybe it was assumed that everybody present already knew the basics?.)

I haven't heard so much about angels in ages.

MY own personal conclusion? (here's the bit that is deliberatly not impartial) I felt like I was watching a show. I felt like I was on strange ground. I didn't want the impartation and I don't really want to stay in that church, however it seems most of the other churches in the area were there too. things have been said by people I know -that I am going to miss a great move of God I have been accused of being religeous and skeptical but really you have to decide these things for yourself I can't get to heaven and say "they told me it was ok" as a defense for anything. All week leading up to it and during I prayed that God would show me if I was wrong and help me to believe. That didn't happen. But also maybe this is not a movement meant for me--recently I have been led down a path of humility and meekness and studying the word. God has been moving alot recently in my life but not through this.
I had to go see for myself. I have now and I know my mind. I will leave those who want in-to it. But I am out. I am viewing the movement like I view other denominations....that works for them and they want to worship or meet that way then fine but for me it's totally the wrong direction.

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john 14 v27...do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
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