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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/18/2008 2:00:05 PM
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wintery
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in all honesty most here probably will not take it to the Lord in prayer,
...in your opinion...
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all of these threads are not about seeking the Lord period.
Yeah, all of that Bible and Scripture stuff is posted by non-praying not-seekers, right?
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they are about putting God into our little boxes, our denominational diffrences, and God help us if we can't see the truth, that we are all members of the body of Christ.
...which dodges the fact that false teachers capture the minds and hearts that belong to Jesus, and create a division in the body between those who will not accept the false and those who will.
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most of these threads are carnality period, putting the great I AM into our little boxes, shame on us. we need to repent. I love God he is so good, his ways are so above ours, I pray he raises up thousands of Tod Bentleys, just to show us that he is not gonna jump through our hoops, and denominational ra-ra.
Putting something on the wrongly named "god tv" does not make it of God.
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RE: No comment. Well, maybe a short not - 5/18/2008 2:22:17 PM
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what bothers me is christians attacking christians
That isn't what I asked though. ; ) Honestly though when I choose to follow the charismatic threads I find myself more at odds with some of the other posters on this thread that I now agree with. I don't look to purposefully go out and start arguments but I do tend to disagree with them on things like spiritual gifts and whether or not there is a 3 fold or 5 fold ministry now. On this though I am not remotely impressed with Todd which has dampened my spirits concerning this "revival".
this being said in kindness, the greatest gift is love, the spiritual gifts are temporary, till we get home, where we will be surrounded in Gods love, and our love for Him and others.
all i witnessed was all kinds of people, races, ages, etc with one purpose to love the Lord
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/18/2008 2:23:29 PM
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in all honesty most here probably will not take it to the Lord in prayer,
...in your opinion...
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ORIGINAL: pray4all
all of these threads are not about seeking the Lord period.
Yeah, all of that Bible and Scripture stuff is posted by non-praying not-seekers, right?
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ORIGINAL: pray4all
they are about putting God into our little boxes, our denominational diffrences, and God help us if we can't see the truth, that we are all members of the body of Christ.
...which dodges the fact that false teachers capture the minds and hearts that belong to Jesus, and create a division in the body between those who will not accept the false and those who will.
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ORIGINAL: pray4all
most of these threads are carnality period, putting the great I AM into our little boxes, shame on us. we need to repent. I love God he is so good, his ways are so above ours, I pray he raises up thousands of Tod Bentleys, just to show us that he is not gonna jump through our hoops, and denominational ra-ra.
Putting something on the wrongly named "god tv" does not make it of God.
God bless you wintery
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/18/2008 2:34:18 PM
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pray4all
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a clip of lakeland worship
just christians loving the Lord
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/18/2008 2:36:17 PM
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wintery
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WE MUST KEEP THIS REVIVAL GOING LIVE ON GOD TV!...
Be one of...
9,600 families to sponsor one minute for $70
1,680 families to sponsor a minute per week for $400
240 families to sponsor a minute per day for $2,800
160 families & businesses to sponsor 1 hour for $4200
source: http://www.god.tv/revival
Anybody got a calculator?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/18/2008 2:42:00 PM
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WE MUST KEEP THIS REVIVAL GOING LIVE ON GOD TV!...
Be one of...
9,600 families to sponsor one minute for $70
1,680 families to sponsor a minute per week for $400
240 families to sponsor a minute per day for $2,800
160 families & businesses to sponsor 1 hour for $4200
source: http://www.god.tv/revival
Anybody got a calculator?
According to the above that's $672,000 for ONE minute.
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RE: No comment. Well, maybe a short not - 5/18/2008 7:51:10 PM
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one thing i did notice in the 3 days at lakeland, there was hundreds of pastors in attendance, the pastors lined up went from front to back atleast 4 wide, I'm sure they read the word, within the last year i have personally wore a Bible out, the word I get from the Lord is "feed his sheep", he didn't say read more Bible, because I already read.
I think what most people here do not realize concerning lakeland, just about everyone going is already a christian...
Mt 24:24 - For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.
I'm sure there are people coming out of these meetings spiritually unscathed, some even healed...there's a reason God's grace is called "amazing".
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/18/2008 8:39:24 PM
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According to the above that's $672,000 for ONE minute.
Wow. In that case we're talking P-R-O-F-I-T instead of "prophet."
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/18/2008 8:41:51 PM
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Isn't that usually the case in these "ministries"?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 11:41:01 AM
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 1:38:39 PM
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I am sorry if I offend anyone, however I now find myself putting myself out there again after I told myself I would just never bother because no one listens anyway. But maybe someone will. That's fine. This subject - of false prophets preaching another gospel - is deadly serious - it literally really is a matter of life and death.
Currently this thread has 385 posts. It also has almost 9,000 hits. Among those 9,000 hits there are very likely many who are listening. They don't all post.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 1:41:14 PM
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The truth is our best life preserver in this sea of lies and spiritual deception. And, you will find this truth in the B I B L E. When people who are already onboard with deception - and this does not mean they are not Christians or that they do not love Jesus - if they pray about what it is they are involved in will usually either have lots of fluffy feelings which they think are from God, or they will hear nothing, and nothing because the truth is already available to them, but they have not availed themselves of it.
Amen and amen.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 2:09:29 PM
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I agree that some of the things he has going are strange to say the least. I don't understand though why everyone here wants to put God in a box. We don't understand the workings of God and never will, so why do we say that he can't do these things? The devil isn't behind this because people ARE getting saved.
Just think of the people who will hear the word of God for the first time because of this. Think of the people who be saved because of this. Even if some of the teaching is a little throwed off he is getting more people saved than any of us have.
We need to pray that these people will get into a strong bible based church now and learn the truth. At least he is out there preaching some of the word.
Oh ye of little faith!!!!!
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 2:29:00 PM
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I went to Brownsville several times with a friend who is the strongest Christian I know and I know that it was real.
I would be very scared to talk to negatively against people God called to do his work.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 2:29:57 PM
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I agree that some of the things he has going are strange to say the least. I don't understand though why everyone here wants to put God in a box. We don't understand the workings of God and never will, so why do we say that he can't do these things? The devil isn't behind this because people ARE getting saved.
Just think of the people who will hear the word of God for the first time because of this. Think of the people who be saved because of this. Even if some of the teaching is a little throwed off he is getting more people saved than any of us have.
We need to pray that these people will get into a strong bible based church now and learn the truth. At least he is out there preaching some of the word.
Oh ye of little faith!!!!!
The "God in a box" argument is one of the most overused cop-outs ever to be posted on these threads. Whenever folks offer biblical proof as to why these "revivals" are not biblical, someone has to say "Oh, you're just keeping God in a box."
This new revival is NOT preaching redemption - it's a circus sideshow where everyone is clamoring for signs and wonders.
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RE: No comment. Well, maybe a short not - 5/19/2008 2:39:31 PM
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I've been reading this thread each day with much interest. Some at my church have recommended this guy and that has me confused. Dh just briefly looked around on his site and didn't see the big deal.
I am sincerely seeking. I'm not a hit and run poster, as you can tell by my post count. I grew up in the Conservative Baptist Church, then within the past few years have been attending an AG church. I've been spiritually growing and growing like never before and I'm excited about my relationship with Christ. He is bringing to light many things which I never thought were sins and I'm slowly dealing with each new "thing". I love my pastor and my church. At first, I thought they did some pretty whacky things, but since I know the people now, I don't think they are quite so whacky.
And now this. I don't agree with a lot of you, and that's okay. I'm not sure about this Bentley guy. That's just where I'm at right now. I've hesitated posting because I didn't have the courage to go against the main flow of this conversation. But you guys seem like a gentle bunch...... I must say, though, it's kinda hard to learn from the sarcasm. I much prefer the gentleness of some of the posters - thank you for that.
One thing I'd like to ask those of you who are more on the conservative side - what does "revival" look like to you?
Thanks for listening.
greetings
we just got back from lakeland had the blessing of being able to spend about 3 days in service down there, and I must add it was a blessing to be around thousands of other christians, all in unity praising and worshipping Jesus with all that we are. the doors opened around 5 pm, worship started, standing room only up front, we didn't just sing 3 songs and quit, we keept going, worshiping Jesus with all our heart, people from around the states, around the globe, standing and worshiping our Lord with all our hearts, for hours on end, such a blessing to have gone. God bless everyone here
You are so lucky to have gotten to go. I want to go so bad. I wish I knew someone who was going so I could ride with them.
People are getting saved and I don't think that is the devil.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 2:41:42 PM
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MyMasquerade
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I agree that some of the things he has going are strange to say the least. I don't understand though why everyone here wants to put God in a box. We don't understand the workings of God and never will, so why do we say that he can't do these things? The devil isn't behind this because people ARE getting saved.
Just think of the people who will hear the word of God for the first time because of this. Think of the people who be saved because of this. Even if some of the teaching is a little throwed off he is getting more people saved than any of us have.
We need to pray that these people will get into a strong bible based church now and learn the truth. At least he is out there preaching some of the word.
Oh ye of little faith!!!!!
The "God in a box" argument is one of the most overused cop-outs ever to be posted on these threads. Whenever folks offer biblical proof as to why these "revivals" are not biblical, someone has to say "Oh, you're just keeping God in a box."
This new revival is NOT preaching redemption - it's a circus sideshow where everyone is clamoring for signs and wonders.
Please tell me then why there are people that didn't know God at all who are now being saved? You can't convince me that the devil is revealing the word to people who will go be planted in churches in their own area. Instead of gossiping about this why not pray that these people will find good bible based churchs?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 2:52:14 PM
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 2:52:33 PM
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a clip of lakeland worship
just christians loving the Lord
Hey, I can sing with the best of them - literally - unfortunately, music is very over-rated as an indication of whether or not someone actually loves the Lord.
Most people (and here you can tell me I've made a judgement :-) just really love the music. I am a musician and having been in the position of leading worship, I do know a little something. And I have been in meetings just like Todd's and led worship etc etc. And yes, I know, you felt so good - felt felt felt. How about truth truth truth. It hurts hurts hurts.
See, love is not going to get me into heaven or help me with my walk on earth. Not the kind you are talking about. Because I know you do not love what I have written here. God allows people to be caught up in a lie when they don't love the truth. I have learned to love the truth. The truth is our best life preserver in this sea of lies and spiritual deception. And, you will find this truth in the B I B L E. When people who are already onboard with deception - and this does not mean they are not Christians or that they do not love Jesus - if they pray about what it is they are involved in will usually either have lots of fluffy feelings which they think are from God, or they will hear nothing, and nothing because the truth is already available to them, but they have not availed themselves of it.
Love is in the air, it's everywhere I go.............
Yes, it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt........
and they will, they will.
In all honesty most here will probably not take it to the Lord in prayer?
Your words, not mine.
That sounds like you have made a judgement call on people who do not happen to think that Todd Tatoo is what you think he is. Oh, but I know, I know, you love me. And Todd loves me.
Feelings, including the "I love Jesus" feeling, is not what one uses as
criteria for whether or not the goings on are Spiritual or spiritual.
Yes, Paul did say that if he could speak with the tongues of angels and even gave his body to be burned, but did not have love, then all his activities (I'm paraphrasing here folks - but u know that) were in vain.
Again, the man ain't talkin 'bout love 'feelins' - oh geez, now I've got that "Love Train" music in my head. Good thing I can compartmentalize -
cheeky too, I know.
Paul, did not feel good in prison - other than the fact that he was in there because of his witness for the Risen Lord. And I do believe that the singing of godly men suffering in prison for their testimony once caused an earthquake and prison doors to be opened. Ahhhhh love.
Yes, I am fed up with all the demonic activity in churches that passes for godly activity because people do not accept the truth nor have they studied and found themselves approved. You can be deceived while singing I love Jesus - no Jesus will not deceive you, but when you believe things are of God and they very clearly do not stand up to the penetrating glare of truth, then you open yourself up to deception. You do not have to like me, but I am telling you the truth. Todd is deceived and anyone who thinks this is a godly movement is deceived.
Yes, I have prayed about it. In fact, I lived it for seven years. From the inside out - I am living proof that what I just wrote is true. And if I had no love and no concern, I would not write these things, but I am not trying to win a popularity contest. Even the secular world questions the goings on of Todd and similar types - Benny Hinn (God help us) and others. Christians - Christians - Christians, need to pray that God will deliver them from deception and love of feelings. God's love, is not a feeling that He has for us. God's love, his pure Holy love, looked the other way when his Perfect sinless Son screamed in agony. My God My God why have you forsaken me?
Abraham's willingness to offer his much beloved Issac to God demonstrates this type of love. OBEDIENCE = LOVE.
I am sorry if I offend anyone, however I now find myself putting myself out there again after I told myself I would just never bother because no one listens anyway. But maybe someone will. That's fine. This subject - of false prophets preaching another gospel - is deadly serious - it literally really is a matter of life and death.
Good Post. Also been there done that musician.
Thanks for the "real" love = truth.
There is an observation that we should realize.
Anytime we reject the truth, there is no alternative. We believe the lie.
I'd like to know where all these promised "end-time revivals" are in Scripture?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 3:05:58 PM
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I still believe he has reached more people for God that anyone here talking about him.
You didn't answer my question, why aren't we praying for these people to get in good bible based churches instead of talking bad about someone called from God???
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RE: No comment. Well, maybe a short not - 5/19/2008 3:20:48 PM
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I've been reading this thread each day with much interest. Some at my church have recommended this guy and that has me confused. Dh just briefly looked around on his site and didn't see the big deal.
I am sincerely seeking. I'm not a hit and run poster, as you can tell by my post count. I grew up in the Conservative Baptist Church, then within the past few years have been attending an AG church. I've been spiritually growing and growing like never before and I'm excited about my relationship with Christ. He is bringing to light many things which I never thought were sins and I'm slowly dealing with each new "thing". I love my pastor and my church. At first, I thought they did some pretty whacky things, but since I know the people now, I don't think they are quite so whacky.
And now this. I don't agree with a lot of you, and that's okay. I'm not sure about this Bentley guy. That's just where I'm at right now. I've hesitated posting because I didn't have the courage to go against the main flow of this conversation. But you guys seem like a gentle bunch...... I must say, though, it's kinda hard to learn from the sarcasm. I much prefer the gentleness of some of the posters - thank you for that.
One thing I'd like to ask those of you who are more on the conservative side - what does "revival" look like to you?
Thanks for listening.
greetings
we just got back from lakeland had the blessing of being able to spend about 3 days in service down there, and I must add it was a blessing to be around thousands of other christians, all in unity praising and worshipping Jesus with all that we are. the doors opened around 5 pm, worship started, standing room only up front, we didn't just sing 3 songs and quit, we keept going, worshiping Jesus with all our heart, people from around the states, around the globe, standing and worshiping our Lord with all our hearts, for hours on end, such a blessing to have gone. God bless everyone here
You are so lucky to have gotten to go. I want to go so bad. I wish I knew someone who was going so I could ride with them.
People are getting saved and I don't think that is the devil.
it was truly a blessing  , the meetings are about returning to our own home areas and spreading the annoiting, last night in my local church I brought it back revival started in our church, I was downtown today, and led another in prayer to the Lord. I got my Holy Ghost fire back, souls are gonna get added to the kingdom like never before, God is gonna heal and deliver and save, because I'm on fire, send that fire Lord. for a year and half I have been battling a mountain to move and it moved today!!! Glory to God. and a footnote I have probably already lead a thousand to the Lord, so all you nay sayers can zip your lip. all on the streets, not in pulpits.
again like I said I got blessed by attending the Lakeland revival, and being around so many dedicated God Loving Christians, will be back at church tonight, sure wish the doors was open every night, when revivle engulphs it will be.
Guess what you can get into the meetings and not pay a dime, yes there is no admission charge, so I am glad there are Christians that are able to donate, I went 3 nights and could only contribute 15.00 .. 
as far as the comment from the worship director, and feely good stuff. God inhabits the praise of his people, and aint no rock gonna sing out my praise for me. 
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RE: No comment. Well, maybe a short not - 5/19/2008 3:26:13 PM
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btw if todd is possesed by a devil as you supose, go down to Lakeland and cast it out, greater is he that is within me than he that is in the world, stop crying and do something about it
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/19/2008 3:33:52 PM
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I don't understand though why everyone here wants to put God in a box. We don't understand the workings of God and never will, so why do we say that he can't do these things?
God has placed Himself in a box for us - His Word, the Bible. He will never, ever, do anything to contradict His Word.
How can we know this is of God when their teachings and antics are unbiblical?
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RE: No comment. Well, maybe a short not - 5/19/2008 3:35:28 PM
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