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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 6:24:44 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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we must take care. it is easy to become spectators, mockers, prideful that we are not like them.
it's about humility and Jesus. for ALL of us.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 7:29:30 PM
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It's also about making sure the unsuspecting see the truth of what is going on. People are being deceived left and right over this.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 7:46:24 PM
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As usual the AoG takes it's wish-washy stance on Lakeland
Official AoG statement on revival. Doesn't mention Lakeland by name though
...."In summary, the message must always be examined. If the message and the messenger line up with God's Word, then the revival is on safe Biblical ground and it should and must be embraced. If not, then even though miracles and manifestations occur, it should be avoided.
This raises the question of how can healings and miracles occur if the message and/or messenger are not consistent with Scripture. The attribution for the healings and miracles is the grace of God and his mercy for hurting people."
Why would't he say here that satan can perform healings, miracles, signs and wonders?
Soxfan,
Thanks so much for sharing that AiG statement on revival... I liked it very much! As a charismatic believer, I believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit - healings, miracles, prophecy, etc. and I also desire to see a genuine revival. The tests for discerning whether or not a revival is from God that the AiG gives are good:
1. Is Jesus Christ exalted?
2. Is the Word of God proclaimed?
3. Are persons repenting of sin, and being baptized in water and the Holy Spirit?
I'll also be honest and share that I was very open to this revival when I first heard about it. However, when I started watching the videos on GodTV, I was very dispapointed by the lack of preaching of the Word, exalting of Christ, and preaching on repentance. I don't have a problem with the miracles obviously, and I also believe that there will be people who will be genuinely healed in these meetings because they reached out to Jesus the Healer in faith and received from Him.
It reminds me of a movie I saw over 10 years ago called Leap of Faith, which starred Steve Martin as a corrupt televangelist, who ripped people off through deceit, false miracles, and fake words of knowledge. I hate the first 95% of that movie, but I loved the ending because it showed a young crippled boy who reached out to Jesus in faith and was genuinely healed, and how the fake televangelist ended up coming to a real faith in God.
Anyway, those are my thoughts, added to the discussion here! Bless you all today...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 8:38:02 PM
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we must take care. it is easy to become spectators, mockers, prideful that we are not like them. it's about humility and Jesus. for ALL of us.
No one is mocking, Ones that would be mocking are non-believers. No one is prideful. We are grieved believers are caught up in this mess.
And what is the incessant chanting of Glory? Why no hymns of the faith?
Why the low view of Scripture?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 8:39:05 PM
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God bless everyone that is being obedient to the Word of God in sounding the alarm on this false teacher and false prophet (Todd Bentley).
A wicked generation seeks signs and wonders - people more interested in what is on the Master's table than in the Master Himself.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 8:47:47 PM
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we must take care. it is easy to become spectators, mockers, prideful that we are not like them. it's about humility and Jesus. for ALL of us.
No one is mocking, Ones that would be mocking are non-believers. No one is prideful. We are grieved believers are caught up in this mess.
And what is the incessant chanting of Glory? Why no hymns of the faith?
Why the low view of Scripture?
it's a caution not pointing a specific finger.
and i have no idea what you're asking/saying about chanting.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 10:29:47 PM
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That was straight up witchcraft...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 10:39:58 PM
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colliefan
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and i have no idea what you're asking/saying about chanting.
At least five minutes of just chating the word "glory."
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/8/2008 11:06:56 PM
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and that has to do with my post?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 12:43:29 PM
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Check this out
Todd Bentley's circus is shown.
This is very disturbing.
But, at the same time should be very discerning.
It culminates what I have suspicioned for years.
This sounds archaic, but we have become a "Torah-less" church.
We have built our faiths and teachings on "sand."
The Torah is the foundation stone, the bedrock.
I know a few will understand what I am saying.
"It's a wicked and adulterous generation that seeks
after a sign;" Matt. 16:4
wicked is from a meaning as in the "twist" of a candle wick.
It's the "twisting of scriptures."
The adulterous is obvious to a Bible student. That is idolatry.
We are a generation of scripture-twisting idol worshiping beings.
Seeking after signs and wonders.
Even the "wanting to see revival" can find itself under all this.
Signs and wonders "follow" the disciple of Jesus.
We don't go looking for them. And they only manifest "as the
Spirit directs." We are surrounded by the prophets of baal.
If God be God, follow him.
If Baal be god, follow him.
God has set before each of us a test to see if we will follow Him,
or the baals of the world (yes, even the church world).
< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 6/9/2008 1:19:34 PM >
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 2:06:21 PM
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I posted something a few days back with regards to a trend I have observed starting to occur - that is, some people are now saying, well, there is quite a bit bad going on at the 'outpouring', but there is some good too.
I asked if anyone else had an opinion on it.........well, I really have not seen anyone respond. Sorry if you did and I missed it.
Ever play Russian Roulette? I believe that going to this Lakeland outpouring is just as dangerous as playing that game would be. I do not believe that a person should go with the expectation to 'receive' anything good thinking that they will not be deceived.
I just watched portions of this very scary show on Youtube - when they show closeups of Bentley - his eyes - well, let's just say there is more there than meets the eye (sorry)
This is very very wicked - deception is coming through Christians - not the world - Christians are being deceived - and causing others to be deceived. Don't be afraid of rejecting this demonic mess and standing up for the truth. This stuff is going to get worse, so might as well get used to fighting now, rather then when it is stronger.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 2:54:37 PM
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I just had to share....Praise to God once again! I had another friend email me that she is starting to doubt and that she is thankful for my obedience. See, all of this is worth it. This has put a trip to Lakeland to a hault! :) Thank you God for allowing me to be a watchman for you!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 2:56:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: sevenseas
I posted something a few days back with regards to a trend I have observed starting to occur - that is, some people are now saying, well, there is quite a bit bad going on at the 'outpouring', but there is some good too.
I asked if anyone else had an opinion on it.........well, I really have not seen anyone respond. Sorry if you did and I missed it.
Ever play Russian Roulette? I believe that going to this Lakeland outpouring is just as dangerous as playing that game would be. I do not believe that a person should go with the expectation to 'receive' anything good thinking that they will not be deceived.
I just watched portions of this very scary show on Youtube - when they show closeups of Bentley - his eyes - well, let's just say there is more there than meets the eye (sorry)
This is very very wicked - deception is coming through Christians - not the world - Christians are being deceived - and causing others to be deceived. Don't be afraid of rejecting this demonic mess and standing up for the truth. This stuff is going to get worse, so might as well get used to fighting now, rather then when it is stronger.
I agree.
Good out of bad?
As in fresh water from a salt spring?
As in clean water from a sewage dump?
Not to mention violating scripture.
Light does not commune with darkness.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 3:14:50 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: 4ChristisLove
I just had to share....Praise to God once again! I had another friend email me that she is starting to doubt and that she is thankful for my obedience. See, all of this is worth it. This has put a trip to Lakeland to a hault! :) Thank you God for allowing me to be a watchmen for you!
Rejoicing with you.
The battle is hard and ferocious, but the reward is the reward.
Truth will always prevail. Better not to be destroyed before we
find the truth.
God Bless You.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 3:34:20 PM
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sevenseas: I posted something a few days back with regards to a trend I have observed starting to occur - that is, some people are now saying, well, there is quite a bit bad going on at the 'outpouring', but there is some good too.
I asked if anyone else had an opinion on it.........well, I really have not seen anyone respond. Sorry if you did and I missed it.
I must have missed it. I can only put Lakeland into one of three categories:
1. Judgment and delusion from God, therefore it may be 'of' God but not as most people might think.
2. Complete man-made sham.
3. Of demonic origin.
Personally, I'm thinking it's a combination of all three. No matter which option you choose, it's a lose-lose situation for those who go. I would never, ever recommend anyone try to pick through this garbage to find something - anything - good in it. It's totally anti-Biblical and therefore should be avoided and rejected, just as the Bible commands. The Bible has already spoken on this matter loud and clear.
The only good I have truly seen is that some eyes have been opened to the truth of how false and dangerous this stuff is, and that's a very good thing.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 4:16:25 PM
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earthless
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I agree with lw9 above.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 5:48:07 PM
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Thanks for responding - I really don't want to see people going down the half and half road. I do not believe it is safe - actually, I do not believe it exists. 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 6:13:21 PM
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Well, I wanted to share something with you all. First, thank you, once again, for the faithful who have provided scripture (and not sarcasm) revealing the truth about Lakeland. Because of my following this thread, I have learned SO MUCH!
Yesterday, at my small church, we had a guest speaker. It was Benny Hinns son in law. I know nothing about him. I know very little about Hinn, except that most on this forum think he's "bad". Anyway, I listened to our guest with great hesitation and scrutiny. I'm so happy to say that God moved in a great way at my church!! This guy said all he was going to preach was Jesus and he did! His teaching was almost 100% scripture - everything he said was directed at glorifying Jesus, or pointing us to Him. He specifically told us not to look to him, but to Jesus himself. He said many can produce signs and wonders, but if they are not glorifying to God, they are not of God (or something like that). He said to be aware of people who "fake it". He wanted no glory for himself. He said he wanted us to repent of our sins and look wholly on Jesus. He spoke prophesy over a few (he did not know them, but we all did) and that was really cool.
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ORIGINAL: ChristopherJ
The tests for discerning whether or not a revival is from God that the AiG gives are good:
1. Is Jesus Christ exalted?
2. Is the Word of God proclaimed?
3. Are persons repenting of sin, and being baptized in water and the Holy Spirit?
It was so exciting to see Jesus Christ exalted!
The word was proclaimed!
The alter was filled with people who answered the alter call to repent! Many were crying tears of repentance.
Although we have a water baptismal, it was not used (yet).
I'm told there were a few who received salvation!
Guess who was baptized in the Holy Spirit? ME!!!! I've been a Christian for 33 years and I've never experienced ANYTHING like this! Words cannot explain it! I'm so excited!!!
So, I wanted to say thank you. Thank you for all the posts chatting back and forth that have caused me to investigate further. Thank you for all the warnings. Thank you for the love and patience not only towards me, but to others who have been trying to figure this out. Thank you for your diligence to continue on sounding the alarm. I don't think I would have been as "wise" as I was yesterday, nor as discerning (I'm not too sure I knew what I was supposed to look out for) if not for this thread. Keep on keeping on!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 6:34:14 PM
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earthless
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Great to hear he sounds nothing like his uncle - a BONAFIDE false teacher and false Prophet.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 7:45:46 PM
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Great to hear he sounds nothing like his uncle - a BONAFIDE false teacher and false Prophet.
earthless,
i think its his son in law..... 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 7:59:15 PM
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earthless
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Ah, same difference. I wonder if he presented his father in law in a positive light in regards to Christianity...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 8:05:19 PM
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Ah, same difference. I wonder if he presented his father in law in a positive light in regards to Christianity...
A minor differnce if you asked me.....a nephew is a bloodline....a son in law aint.....maybe the son in law is not cursed with wrong doctrines? 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 8:34:19 PM
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Lapidoth - Thank you!
lw9 - You are so right. The good thing that came out of this for me is more knowledge and I will be more cautious to believe any doctrine that blows my way. My husband pointed out Ephesians 4:14 tonight and it is fitting....
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
2Shaye - That is great, just keep discerning and lining everything up to the Word of God.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/9/2008 10:05:31 PM
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4ChristisLove:
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The good thing that came out of this for me is more knowledge and I will be more cautious to believe any doctrine that blows my way. My husband pointed out Ephesians 4:14 tonight and it is fitting....
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
That is SO exciting to hear!! What a wonderful testimony. Thank God and praise God!
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