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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 10:06:34 AM
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earthless,
Thanks for your long reply to my long reply... For the sake of the other readers in the forum, I am not going to copy your entire post, rather I am going to only recopy selected portions, and comment on them. And before jumping into the discussion today, let me take a big step back and say how much I have appreciated dialoguing with you on this topic. I consider you to be a brother in Christ, and would much rather be sitting down over a cup of coffee to discuss these things with you, rather than just typing back and forth via the internet forum. However, since this is all we have today, I will jump in and go for it...
It seems like there are a number of things that we agree upon. You said you agreed with my comments on the gift of prophecy, let me share some thoughts on the gift of the prophet. First of all, I firmly believe in Sola Scriptura as was mentioned in my previous post. I believe that what we have contained in the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments are the complete and closed canon of Scripture. However, I do believe that God speaks prophetically through people today, and that prophetic words are NOT on the same level as Scripture. That is, prophecy must always be judged in light of the written word of God, and if it doesn't line up, or contradicts the Scriptures, then it is false. However, concerning someone who functions in the gift of the New Testament prophet (alongside of the pastors, teachers, etc in Eph. 4:11), I do not believe that a prophet must be 100% accurate to be a 'valid' prophet. Nor do I believe that a pastor or a teacher has to be (or even could be) 100% accurate in their teaching and preaching. But believe me when I say that the words in James 3:1 are very sobering to me: "Don't desire to be a teacher, because teachers will receive the greater judgment / condemnation." This is why I pray often, "Lord, help me to know and understand the truth of your Word accurately so that I would never teach something that doesn't line up wtih your Word." But just as true as it is that preachers and teachers of God's Word will be held accountable for what they teach, all of God's people will be judged for what they do with that truth, and that's why all believers must be like the Bereans in Acts 16 - and search the Scripture for themselves to see whether what they're being taught lines up with the written word of God. I don't believe that because a prophet makes a false prophecy that automatically makes him a false prophet. There is a difference between a false prophecy and a weak prophecy. (Paul Himself said in 1 Cor. 13 that we know in part, and prophesy in part). The difference, in my opinion, is this: A false prophecy is where the man or woman uttering the prophecy knows that it is not from God, and are intentionally deceiving the hearers, whereas a weak prophecy is someone who is new or inexperienced in the prophetic realm, and genuinely thought their words were from God, but they weren't. We are to judge false prophecy, yes, but I believe we need to extend the same grace to those who are new or inexperienced to the prophetic, just as much as we willingly extend grace to someone who is a new pastor, teacher, etc. Does that make sense to you?
I concede your point about the lack of order in many charismatic churches. Unfortunately, many of these believers need to refresh themselves with Paul's instructions in First Corinthians 12-14 on the guidelines for operating in the gifts of prophecy, tongues, etc. in a public setting. And I must confess that it saddens me to see so many of my charismatic / Pentecostal brothers and sisters who - because of an overemphasis on the Spirit, neglect the Word. I consider myself first and foremost a Word man, but one who believes also wholehearted in the working of the Holy Spirit. Incidentally, I was saved into a Word Faith church some 18 years ago, and it was through personally reading the Scriptures that God led me out of that church.
You asked what Scriptures I use to base my belief on the fact that Jesus is going to come back for a victorious and glorious church. Here are a couple of them:
"Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches." (Matthew 13:31-32).
Jesus said, "I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18).
"Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish." (Ephesians 5:25-27).
(As an aside, I'm not big into eschatology... Although I hold to a postmillennial position concerning 'last things', it's not one that I fight about. Augustine said, "In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty, and in all things, charity (or Christian love). So - we all agree that Jesus is coming back again (that's a basic Christian doctrine), although we may disagree about the events surrounding it, amen?
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Not only does the Word of Faith doctrine of healing contradict Pauline teaching, it also contradicts Paul's life and ministry.
And I would agree with you on that point. Although I strongly hold to a believe that Jesus is "the Lord who heals us" and that He is still healing the sick today, I DO NOT agree with the false Word Faith teaching that says, "God heals everyone if you have enough faith." There are many reasons people don't get healed, and its not just because of a lack of faith. But ultimately, the reality is that many people do not get healed on the Earth, who are however totally and completely healed when they get to Heaven. One of the things that grieved my heart in the Word Faith movement was all of the people who didn't get healed, and the guilt and condemnation they received from those faith healers who said, "It's your fault." Terrible!
I also agree with your comments on how the Word Faith teachers twist and misinterpret the story of Job. I always had a problem with that, even when I was in those circles. Good observations! And in regards to the source of Job's sickness... I believe that Satan was the source of His sickness, even though God ALLOWED it. (Some might say theological hairsplitting, but whatever...). Whether His direct, or permissive will (as you described it), the truth is that God does allow adversity into our lives sometimes.
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The Word of Faith teachers have committed the error of Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar, and Elihu. In trying to exonerate God, they have unjustly condemned an innocent man, They have not "spoken what is right," either of Job or of God.
Well said - that is so true!
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That does not answer the question. Many in the circles mentioned before do indeed teach and preach that Christians are not to suffer, not to be sick, not to ever be without material things.
I do believe that as Christians we will suffer, get sick, and even suffer lack while we're here on planet Earth. And while I do believe the Bible plainly teaches that God has promised to meet our NEEDS, it does not say that He will grant us all of our selfish desires (i.e. a newer, flashier car, bigger house, etc. as the Word Faith teaches espouse).
Well, I think that has answered most of your questions, and given us some more things to dialogue about. I pray God's richest blessings on you today, and all of those who are reading this post. Looking forward to your response!
Love in Christ,
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 1:21:53 PM
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Unbelievable!
As unbelievable as it is, so many "choose" to believe it.
I pray for their lack of discernment and lack of biblical knowledge.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 4:11:37 PM
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We have become a sound-bite nation. People get their news through emotion-laden sound bites. In terms of religion, people are interested in faith, as long as it makes them feel good about themselves.
People will not dig deep into the Bible or do research on an issue impacting society. As long as people feel good about themselves, it matters not if any real, lasting change has taken place.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 4:12:54 PM
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In 2003 Todd Bentley had a message published on the Elijah List regarding his mystic experience of seeing Sundar Singh. I know something about this subject was linked already but not from this writing to my knowledge. There is an interesting paragraph I wanted to share:
"Sundar Singh:...in 1912 he returned from the Himalayan Mountains with an extraordinary account of finding a three-hundred-year old Christian hermit in a mountain cave. He called him the Maharishi of Kailas. Sundar was said to have spent some weeks in deep fellowship with him. The sadhu disappeared in 1929 while traveling to Tibet on foot with no money and circumstances of his death are unknown."
A Maharishi is a mystic teacher. Kailas is one place called the abode of Siva or Shiva. Shiva is many things including the Master of yoga. Kundalini yoga has been discussed in this thread to some extent already.
I googled "hindu glory cloud" and the first link Google retrieved was this Elijah List article.
Hey, this is not Todd Bentley. I know there are people in line waiting to get a touch from a guy who shakes his head weirdly. (Notice his hand is on the face of a person on the ground when you see his head shaking.) Still, it's not Todd Bentley.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 4:21:05 PM
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ will be the only message of a true revival.
The Gospel moves sinners to repentence and moves the redeemed to evangelism. Healings and miracles may or may not be evident. But repentence WILL be the fruit of a true revival!
Oswald J. Smith (1889-1986) shows the fruit of a true revival:
“In the Irish Revival of 1859, people became so weak that they could not get back to their homes. Men and women would fall by the wayside and would be found hours later pleading with God to save their souls. They felt that they were slipping into hell and that nothing else in life mattered but to get right with God... To them eternity meant everything. Nothing else was of any consequence. They felt that if God did not have mercy on them and save them, they were doomed for all time to come.”
Revival is simply CHRISTIANS WAKING UP and DOING WHAT JESUS COMMANDED! Then, souls ARE saved, because the Gospel IS being preached!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 4:32:16 PM
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A Maharishi is a mystic teacher. Kailas is one place called the abode of Siva or Shiva. Shiva is many things including the Master of yoga. Kundalini yoga has been discussed in this thread to some extent already.
I think we have to be careful not to create over-reaching connections or ties to something else just by semantics. It's entirely possible that an evangelistic Christian Hermit could meet with a teacher in a non-Christian culture and that teacher be Christian but be called "Maharishi" like a Jewish teacher would be called "rabbi". We often get caught up in semantics. There was some silliness in that article you linked about the origin of the name Sundar. It works both ways.
This whole article (like everything I've ever heard or read from Bentley) is just ultra disturbing. But it's disturbing enough on the surface that we don't have to reach for twisted mystical parallels that may or may not be there. We can stick to the point the Bentley (and Bob Jones) both claim to have visited with (the ghost of?) this turn-of the century Saint (?) in more of their bizarre visions.
And I watched that video link and I literally feel nauseous now. That's too much.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 4:47:29 PM
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A Maharishi is a mystic teacher. Kailas is one place called the abode of Siva or Shiva. Shiva is many things including the Master of yoga. Kundalini yoga has been discussed in this thread to some extent already.
I think we have to be careful not to create over-reaching connections or ties to something else just by semantics.
I don't think it's an over-reach---all of that has already been said, just not by me and not in that way. Besides, it is what it is...I didn't add anything to what was there; I simply defined it. I see you have no reaction to the report of a 300-year-old mystic by Todd Bentley. Is that an over-reach?
Hannah Weiss of Restorers of Zion has apparently recognized some Sanskrit words in the "tongues" that Todd Bentley has spoken over people...the video she used is linked on this page also. I don't know if Todd is speaking Sanskrit or not---perhaps her work is an "over-reach".
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 5:15:57 PM
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And I watched that video link and I literally feel nauseous now. That's too much.
csl7037, I am sorry for your nausea! As I said, kundalini was previously discussed here. When people try to tell me to look at the "power" and "miracles" as if that's an automatic proof that activities are of God, I would have them consider that video.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 5:59:47 PM
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I watched this video from Lakeland a few minutes ago.
It has a disturbing prophesy in it.
At the beginning it basically states, Jesus was going to get up from His throne, take off His crown, and kneel before His bride (the church) and put a ring on her finger.
Pure Blasphemy! I just don't know what is worse, the false prophesy, or the crowd cheering it on.
Here is a link to the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXnWs7HTvDc
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 7:19:12 PM
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is that really possible, making God look like a nut job?
I don't believe so. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom. So really, man could never reach a certain point of knowledge that would justify a statement proclaiming God's insanity.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 7:33:58 PM
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sirwintery
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There was some silliness in that article you linked about the origin of the name Sundar. It works both ways.
I don't remember linking anything about the name Sundar. I remember reading about Sundar and the comic earthless linked. It's possible but I don't remember it. Again, I'm not making that more than it is...I had to look up Maharishi and I thought someone else might wonder what it meant.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 7:51:52 PM
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Hi Chris,
Hope you dont me budging in but your points are very interetsing.
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Jesus said, "I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18).
"Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish." (Ephesians 5:25-27).
What in your opinion makes it glorious and without spot, wrinkle and blemish?
Shalom
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 8:53:47 PM
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I watched this video from Lakeland a few minutes ago.
It has a disturbing prophesy in it.
At the beginning it basically states, Jesus was going to get up from His throne, take off His crown, and kneel before His bride (the church) and put a ring on her finger.
Pure Blasphemy! I just don't know what is worse, the false prophesy, or the crowd cheering it on.
Here is a link to the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXnWs7HTvDc
How can people amen this and cheer it on?
A common tell-tale sign of heretical teaching is that at some point or another.. it will always demote God and exalt man.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 9:10:41 PM
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Anyone reading this still actually believe Todd/Lakeland is off the Lord?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 9:26:03 PM
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earthless: A common tell-tale sign of heretical teaching is that at some point or another.. it will always demote God and exalt man.
I'm not telling you anything new, earthless, but that's Latter Rain in a nutshell. There is nowhere for that doctrine to go but to exalt man. Year after year, 'revival' after 'revival', they grow more bold and blatant in their intentions and agenda.
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Thi4f... seriously, guys?? This does not bode well.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 9:39:05 PM
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How can people amen this and cheer it on?
likely when this question is posed, it's rhetorical, but here is some food for thought...
-part of the problem here is that the pentecostal/charismatic types are used to hearing rebuttal from the nons and vice versa. they need to hear alarm from their own source or they're not going to deem it likely to be reliable. it's an old drum.
-secondly, people don't go to these meetings to hear teaching. they are desperate for healing and refreshing, whatever. these meetings are not the whole of their congregating. they (in general) have churches. they have bibles. they often LOVE their bibles. they are making a pilgrimage for something. this is why bible reading people with good churches and good foundations still come, still hope, still suspend their doubts...because they believe God DOES have something they haven't gotten and they want/ need something.
this isn't meant to be up for debate. i'm sure the points could be argued..it's meant to offer insight about the why that gets asked now and then. insight into mindset.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 9:48:31 PM
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How can people amen this and cheer it on?
likely when this question is posed, it's rhetorical, but here is some food for thought...
-part of the problem here is that the pentecostal/charismatic types are used to hearing rebuttal from the nons and vice versa. they need to hear alarm from their own source or they're not going to deem it likely to be reliable. it's an old drum.
-secondly, people don't go to these meetings to hear teaching. they are desperate for healing and refreshing, whatever. these meetings are not the whole of their congregating. they (in general) have churches. they have bibles. they often LOVE their bibles. they are making a pilgrimage for something. this is why bible reading people with good churches and good foundations still come, still hope, still suspend their doubts...because they believe God DOES have something they haven't gotten and they want/ need something.
this isn't meant to be up for debate. i'm sure the points could be argued..it's meant to offer insight about the why that gets asked now and then. insight into mindset.
I think you are correct.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 9:54:30 PM
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Thank you for adding some good points. The reality is that they won't have any excuse for when they have to give an answer as to why they paid heed to heretical teachings/movements.
We have the completed Word of God. That is why it is so important for discerning brothers and sisters to keep sounding the alarm. May we sound it till the day He no longer gives us any breath.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 10:27:05 PM
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if some one makes it to heaven, their sins meet withforgiveness.
many are not "hearing false doctrine" seriously, you complain that there is no teaching in the meeetings. they don't hear it there. some statements are made in all of the fury but they sound familiar to their beliefs, and few of them have spent time digging up every tidbit of bentley teaching and doctrine. they don't come to the meetings with all of that information that you scrutinize the meetings with. few people that "fall for heretical teaching" are knowingly adopting FALSE doctrine. it's a mistake.
many of them are desperate.
i believe we all have doctrine/theology to be corrected in heaven.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/16/2008 10:33:40 PM
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if some one makes it to heaven, their sins meet withforgiveness.
many are not "hearing false doctrine" seriously, you complain that there is no teaching in the meeetings. they don't hear it there. some statements are made in all of the fury but they sound familiar to their beliefs, and few of them have spent time digging up every tidbit of bentley teaching and doctrine. they don't come to the meetings with all of that information that you scrutinize the meetings with. few people that "fall for heretical teaching" are knowingly adopting FALSE doctrine. it's a mistake.
many of them are desperate.
i believe we all have doctrine/theology to be corrected in heaven.
Yet the doctrine/theology that is to be corrected at Lakeland is all on the core essentials of Christianity. We're not talking about disagreements on secondary issues, how I wish that were the case. If so, this thread would still be on page one.
People fall for this stuff because they are naive and ignorant of the Word. When you know the authentic Word of God you will be able to spot a counterfeit a mile away.
But people today have bought into a false gospel - a gospel that is man-made and rooted in emotions and experiences. Rooted in thought processes that do not line up with Scripture.
Then again.. Jesus and the Word all prophesied about this and spoke very clearly about events such as Lakeland and those making merchandise of men.
Beliefs have consequences...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 7:44:12 AM
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I'm not telling you anything new, earthless, but that's Latter Rain in a nutshell.
What makes it sad is that the AoG was at the forefront of declaring Latter Rain Theology heresy in the 40's. Now it's obvious that they are embracing it!
AoG Superintendant George O. Wood should be ashamed for not denouncing this circus.
I urge anyone (especially brothers and sisters in the AoG) that does not support this "movement" email him and express your disappointment at his weak, wishy-washy response.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 8:23:12 AM
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An excerpt from one of Todd Bentley's "visits" to Heaven and hangin' out with Paul:
“…. I actually saw the Apostle Paul come walking toward me onto the bridge. … He was short, not more than 5'1” or 5'2”. He was bald except for a little crown of hair that came around his head. Looking very Jewish with a short, trimmed, white beard, my first thought was of a monk in a monastery! He actually had jolly cheeks and I thought: Paul you’ve got a little weight on you! I mean he wasn’t fat but he looked a little pudgy! He sat next to me and he took his hand and placed it across my chest not saying anything. But I felt like I was receiving an apostolic blessing from a father. While he touched my chest, Abraham and David appeared out of the cloud of witnesses. Although they were very close (and yet somehow at a distance), they weren’t the main focus. They were simply there as witnesses to an encounter. Next, Paul spoke to me without words spirit to spirit. I never heard one word but I had instant knowledge of what he was saying. He said that David and Abraham are true fathers — ‘These are the apostolic fathers’— and I thought to myself: Why Abraham and David? He answered me by saying that there would be no gospel without Abraham.”
“As I just stated, Paul told me that essentially there would be no gospel and there would be no Israel without Abraham. He said too, that there would be no gospel without David because there would be no divine Son of David in order for the kingdom and His throne to be built upon the throne of David.”
“Next, I was at Paul’s house and he said to eat the Book of Titus! What’s more, several days later I was taken back into heaven to Paul’s house! But this time I didn’t go inside. I stayed outside where I saw a ladder in his back yard like the one described in Genesis 28, Jacob’s ladder. [I've come to understand that there are ladders like that in heaven in order to ascend and descend into different realms because heaven has places, geographical places. For example, the first heaven is where we live on the earth; the second heaven is the invisible realm of Ephesians 6:12; and the third heaven where I was with Paul, it's the Paradise of God.] So I jumped onto the ladder and began to climb up into another realm. I saw around me that it was all clouds so I began to pull those clouds back. As I did, a hole opened up in the heavens. Immediately then, out of heaven, flowed the color green, not just a light; it was like a green liquid and it was pouring onto my eyes! When I asked God about this, He said, ‘You are coming into the throne room; you are beneath the sea of glass; there is a rainbow around the throne. It’s not just above the throne; it’s a circle around the throne, a rainbow, emerald, green in color.’”
He can make a fortune selling what he's been smoking!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 9:32:11 AM
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4ChristisLove
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How can people amen this and cheer it on?
likely when this question is posed, it's rhetorical, but here is some food for thought...
-part of the problem here is that the pentecostal/charismatic types are used to hearing rebuttal from the nons and vice versa. they need to hear alarm from their own source or they're not going to deem it likely to be reliable. it's an old drum.
-secondly, people don't go to these meetings to hear teaching. they are desperate for healing and refreshing, whatever. these meetings are not the whole of their congregating. they (in general) have churches. they have bibles. they often LOVE their bibles. they are making a pilgrimage for something. this is why bible reading people with good churches and good foundations still come, still hope, still suspend their doubts...because they believe God DOES have something they haven't gotten and they want/ need something.
this isn't meant to be up for debate. i'm sure the points could be argued..it's meant to offer insight about the why that gets asked now and then. insight into mindset.
I agree with you. This is what a friend told me in an email when she started to feel an uneasyness about Lakeland (thank God this put a trip off to see TB in NC).
"God's people are deperate, and for me (and my friend) we are wanting a closer and deeper walk with Jesus."
So the right intentions are there, but they are just going the wrong way about it. And, I'm most certain that they are in the Word so that's what gets me.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 10:58:39 AM
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stellaluna
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Anyone reading this still actually believe Todd/Lakeland is off the Lord?
Actually, I haven't followed this thread at all. I ran across a video of the guy on YouTube and I have to say...no.
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