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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 11:27:33 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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He can make a fortune selling what he's been smoking!
that kind of statement will put off the people that you want to communicate with.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:03:23 PM
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He can make a fortune selling what he's been smoking!
Whatever it is, it must be "green."
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:13:33 PM
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He can make a fortune selling what he's been smoking!
that kind of statement will put off the people that you want to communicate with.
Exactly!!!!
And they just don't seem to get that. They think they do nothing wrong with their sarcastic comments.
Warning people about what you believe is false is one thing. It is needful.
But done in the attitude of some of the posts comes across as not being done in a spirit of love and defeats the purpose of what they are trying to do.
Everything that Jesus did and said was love. Even in His harshness and rebukes of the religious leaders, His words were still laced with love. Because He loved them. His words were/are truth and love. Not sarcastic, flippant remarks. Those drive away the very ones you are trying to reach.
You have to understand that people will automatically be defensive when what they hold dear to them is being refuted.
You will not change their minds with some of the attitudes in some of the posts here. Actually, you can't change their minds at all. Only the Holy Spirit can do that.
Speaking of the Holy Spirit, nowhere in scripture do I find that He will ridicule people. He woos them. Yes, He convicts the sinner. But not at the expense of love. He can't do anything but love.
I have seen the reactions of some of you when what you beleive is called into question. You don't take kindly to it. Try to imagine yourself as one of the ones you are trying to help with this thread. Go back and honestly read some of your posts. Can you honestly say that you would be "won over" by some of them or would your self -defense mechanism kick in and you would start defending your beliefs at the expense of the truth?
What if your sarcastic remarks causes one to turn away from the truth of what you are trying to tell them? Would you not be causing them to stumble? What does the Word say about causing one to stumble?
Please, think about what you write before you hit the submit button.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:16:31 PM
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I totally agree with you. Something that has bothered me in many of these threads. Thank you for posting that.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:34:20 PM
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You guys are right about the sarcasm.
But I can tell you that the sarcasm comes from the blatant mixture
of falsehoods in the guise of bits and pieces in the bible such as the
green floor of the throne, etc. and then put together as a truth to deceive
the listeners. Totally out of context.
So I apologize, but a watchman has no need to apologize because he
is standing watch. Perhaps some is done when the watchman becomes weary.
So, point well taken. But, on the other hand, the pop-shots at the watchman
come under the same scrutiny.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:35:48 PM
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Everything that Jesus did and said was love. Even in His harshness and rebukes of the religious leaders, His words were still laced with love. Because He loved them. His words were/are truth and love. Not sarcastic, flippant remarks. Those drive away the very ones you are trying to reach.
While I agree, we need to be careful with our comments, I highly disagree with this ^^...ever read Matthew 23?
27..."For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. 29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.' 31 Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
If I was those guys, I would have much preferred that Jesus had said something flippant and/or sarcastic, because what He did say was devastating. It also doesn't sound like He was feeling very loving or concerned that He was going to drive them away when He said it...just sayin'! 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:38:39 PM
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After hearing "being baptist is like eating the cereal without the milk" for years by people who fell for every wind of doctine that came out of these movements over the years, I find it funny how people don't like it when it is their beliefs being scrutinized for a change. 
A little off topic, but we used to use the phrase, "the baptist only wear a helmet."
You know, "helmet of salvation." As, they don't have the full armour.
What ignorance we propagate in our little circles. Seems I repent constantly. lol.
I've found many of my baptist friends are carrying the shields protecting the
little penetecostals until they grow up. Thanks to all my "other" brothers and sisters
who held the light as I grew up. LOL.
These books and so called visions cause many to think they are on higher levels.
been there, done that. God forgive us. And help us.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:40:10 PM
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If I was those guys, I would have much preferred that Jesus had said something flippant and/or sarcastic, because what He did say was devastating. It also doesn't sound like He was feeling very loving or concerned that He was going to drive them away when He said it...just sayin'!
Comes down to discernment on the many facets. Amen.
True love can be harsh. True love appear sarcastic.
"HEY, YOU IDIOT, STOP.............."
Why should I stop? You're just yelling at me.
Takes another step, falls off cliff...............
Guess I should have laced it with a whisper.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:44:53 PM
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If I was those guys, I would have much preferred that Jesus had said something flippant and/or sarcastic, because what He did say was devastating. It also doesn't sound like He was feeling very loving or concerned that He was going to drive them away when He said it...just sayin'!
Jesus had the perfect ability to know a heart and whether or not there was any hope of it being reconciled.
and what is the point of this thread? to hammer away at TB so he will get his just desserts, or to shed light on some troubling things for the sake of the people?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:47:58 PM
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Everything that Jesus did and said was love. Even in His harshness and rebukes of the religious leaders, His words were still laced with love. Because He loved them. His words were/are truth and love. Not sarcastic, flippant remarks. Those drive away the very ones you are trying to reach.
While I agree, we need to be careful with our comments, I highly disagree with this ^^...ever read Matthew 23?
27..."For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. 29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.' 31 Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
If I was those guys, I would have much preferred that Jesus had said something flippant and/or sarcastic, because what He did say was devastating. It also doesn't sound like He was feeling very loving or concerned that He was going to drive them away when He said it...just sayin'!
But, yet, He still gave His life for them.
He is love so anything that He said or did was out of love. As I said before, even His harshness to them was in love because He can't do anyting wihtout love.
We, on the other hand, while we have the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by Christ Jesus, do not do everything in love.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:48:46 PM
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If I was those guys, I would have much preferred that Jesus had said something flippant and/or sarcastic, because what He did say was devastating. It also doesn't sound like He was feeling very loving or concerned that He was going to drive them away when He said it...just sayin'!
Comes down to discernment on the many facets. Amen.
True love can be harsh. True love appear sarcastic.
"HEY, YOU IDIOT, STOP.............."
Why should I stop? You're just yelling at me.
Takes another step, falls off cliff...............
Guess I should have laced it with a whisper.
i would think that the person yelling thought i was an idiot and that they thought they were better than me. why not hey lady or hey mister? someone saying hey idiot calls the motives of the person into question. why would i think someone calling me idiot was trying to help me?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:51:54 PM
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map4
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You guys are right about the sarcasm.
But I can tell you that the sarcasm comes from the blatant mixture
of falsehoods in the guise of bits and pieces in the bible such as the
green floor of the throne, etc. and then put together as a truth to deceive
the listeners. Totally out of context.
So I apologize, but a watchman has no need to apologize because he
is standing watch. Perhaps some is done when the watchman becomes weary.
So, point well taken. But, on the other hand, the pop-shots at the watchman
come under the same scrutiny.
I am not taking pop-shots at anyone.
I am trying to get you to see that while what we say may be truth, if done in the wrong attitude will not accomplish what we want it to.
Again, people will start out being on the defensive. Is that defensiveness lessened by sarcasm?
There is a better way.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:52:44 PM
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Not nice enough?
That's no shocking revelation to me. I know I'm not "wuved" and I don't expect to be. I've dealt with all sorts of religious bullies poorly with a pacifistic attitude until I realized that someone had to at least say something when presented with something false in the name of the Lord.
What some call sarcasm may be what another considers wit or prodding.
All religious bullies will ask for an apology. Crooks expect you to be honest, bullies expect fear, while religious crooks and bullies always want a meek attitude from you--just observe and see if that's right.
I gotta stop thinking on Nehemiah 13:25:
"And I confronted them and cursed them and beat some of them and pulled out their hair. And I made them take oath in the name of God...." (ESV)
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 12:53:02 PM
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Lapidoth
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LOL.
Bad choice of words for an illustration.
But, what might you do if it were a "life and death" situation?
What you call sarcasm can also be light humor in a very dreadful situation.
So, again, I apologize. If that's not good enough, it's all I have.
We are to walk in forgiveness whether the offender apologizes or not.
Thanks.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 1:08:20 PM
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map4
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Not nice enough?
That's no shocking revelation to me. I know I'm not "wuved" and I don't expect to be. I've dealt with all sorts of religious bullies poorly with a pacifistic attitude until I realized that someone had to at least say something when presented with something false in the name of the Lord.
What some call sarcasm may be what another considers wit or prodding.
All religious bullies will ask for an apology. Crooks expect you to be honest, bullies expect fear, while religious crooks and bullies always want a meek attitude from you--just observe and see if that's right.
I gotta stop thinking on Nehemiah 13:25:
"And I confronted them and cursed them and beat some of them and pulled out their hair. And I made them take oath in the name of God...." (ESV)
I am far from being a religious bully. If you knew me you would laugh if you thought that about me  .
All I am saying is...if you are truly trying to sway people's opinion away from what is false...to me, some of what is said on here does the complete opposite.
Look, maybe its just me...but if I don't personally know someone, I could not be sarcastic to them in person or on here about what they believe. It's not in me to do that to strangers. I, might, possibly, if I know the person well enough to know that I could be that way with them.
In a way it is personal with me...the sarcasm/attitude thing because I live with it daily. That's a whole different story.
So, I'm just trying to say...that that kind of attitude does turn some away...at the expense of the truth. The attitude gets in the way of what is being said.
As I said, I am not a TB defender/supporter. I was just trying to see things through the eyes of the ones you are trying to help. Some of the posts on here have been great. But then comes along the flippant remarks which seem to undo the good that has been done. IN MY OPINON.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 1:17:15 PM
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Okay back on topic.
"Nice" side rail. Attention diverted from the real villian.
Todd Bentley is a venomous wolf in sheep's clothing dyed in worldly tattoos.
False Doctrines, false (supposedly) miracles.
And that last clip, Jesus taking "off" His crown and kneeling to another diety (supposedly the bride)?
Total fragrant outright distortion of what the Word actually says.
Yeshua bows to no one.
Evey knee shall bow, every tongue confess, Jesus is Lord!!!!
Do we not see the imagery that the Bible portrays?
Watchmen in the towers around the city blowing their shofars in warning?
But, as the myth of the Pied Piper, people joyfully dance and frolic out the gates
of protection (the Word). False prophets create breaches in the wall.
The true Prophet calls the people back to the Torah (the Bible).
What are we listening to? The piper, or the shofar?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 1:19:46 PM
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Lapidoth
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am not taking pop-shots at anyone.
I've heard of pop rock, pop tarts, poop shoots, and popping off, but I've never heard of a pop-shot...maybe you meant pot-shot?!?
Aaah, there I go being sarcastic again! I repent in dust and ashes. 
LOL. Must be a okie slang.
But, I'm glad you sarcastically got my meaning.
Adding:
I notice everytime I shoot your halo off with a "pot-shot"
you grow another one. lol.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 1:32:34 PM
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Okay, I haven't said anything for awhile. I have been praying about how to deal with people caught up in this. It is real easy to get caught up in being write and point out the errors. I do think we need to point out specifically errors that are seen and point folks to the simple truth.
I just wrote a piece for a blog that I started about 1 John 2:16 and how Lakeland really meets each of the categories of sin/the world.
my blog any comments there would be appreciated or feel free to send the link to any you think that might help.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 1:33:42 PM
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Lapidoth
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I am not taking pop-shots at anyone.
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lol..that's funny. I just typed it the way lapidoth did without even noticing it was wrong...sad thing is I know its "pot" and not "pop"!
LOL. I "dub" you an honorary okie!
At the same time, it's an honest mistake and shows how anything can be propogated.
People hear the lies coming out of Florida, repeat them to others, or just hear something
from their own local pulpit. It gets passed around as fact.
Miracles? where's the documentation?
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