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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/17/2008 6:14:35 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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that video wasn't todd bentley
Because we know that Jesus was tempted by Satan, we must conclude (if we accept this teaching) that Satan had the same rank as Jesus because we know (from this teaching) that lower ranked demons cannot tempt those who have a higher rank.
no, that wasn't said or remotely implied by the speaker, you are adding that assumption into it.
The speaker was very clear that one cannot be tempted by a Demon whose rank is lower than your own!
If this is true, can you explain how Jesus was tempted by Satan any other way. What other possible conclusion can be made?
Also where in the bible can we find support for any of what was taught by this speaker?
a. the speaker wasn't todd bentley.
b. you can't form conclusions on behalf of speakers and then say that is what they are teaching. this is eventually elevated to the status of fact. accuracy is important.
Jesus was tempted by the largest ranking evil. satan was found to be no match. i really don't see how your conclusion is a given. and certainly it was not given by the speaker.
my original question was, what do the folks that attend the meetings hear?
there's all kinds of research dug up here but that doesn't necessarily represent what the attendees are hearing.
btw there's more than one site for the lakeland whatever. bentley's, godtv and ignited church.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/17/2008 6:36:36 PM
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that video wasn't todd bentley
Because we know that Jesus was tempted by Satan, we must conclude (if we accept this teaching) that Satan had the same rank as Jesus because we know (from this teaching) that lower ranked demons cannot tempt those who have a higher rank.
no, that wasn't said or remotely implied by the speaker, you are adding that assumption into it.
The speaker was very clear that one cannot be tempted by a Demon whose rank is lower than your own!
If this is true, can you explain how Jesus was tempted by Satan any other way. What other possible conclusion can be made?
Also where in the bible can we find support for any of what was taught by this speaker?
a. the speaker wasn't todd bentley.
However, the speaker was a speaker at the Lakeland "revivial", and many of the other videos on this site are of Tod Bentley, and this was in reply to your question "so what do you think people are hearing in lakeland that would say, "he's telling us to follow after other gods" ? "
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b. you can't form conclusions on behalf of speakers and then say that is what they are teaching. this is eventually elevated to the status of fact. accuracy is important.
Jesus was tempted by the largest ranking evil. satan was found to be no match. i really don't see how your conclusion is a given. and certainly it was not given by the speaker.
If what the speaker said was true i.e. that a lower ranked demon can not tempt a person of higher rank, then the only logical conclusion is that Satan has the same rank as Jesus because we know from scripture that Jesus was tempted by Satan. Can you provide any other conclusion that could be drawn from this man's teaching?
Also note: in every post including the first one I have said this is a conclusion based on his teaching.
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my original question was, what do the folks that attend the meetings hear?
there's all kinds of research dug up here but that doesn't necessarily represent what the attendees are hearing.
btw there's more than one site for the lakeland whatever. bentley's, godtv and ignited church.
I can't tell you how many are hearing this stuff, but I can tell you that some definitely are because they are in the video. Whether he says and does this stuff every time, or just some of the time, does it really make it less wrong?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/17/2008 6:50:08 PM
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If what the speaker said was true i.e. that a lower ranked demon can not tempt a person of higher rank, then the only logical conclusion is that Satan has the same rank as Jesus because we know from scripture that Jesus was tempted by Satan. Can you provide any other conclusion that could be drawn from this man's teaching?
Also note: in every post including the first one I have said this is a conclusion based on his teaching.
i did provide a "conclusion" "his teaching" is not bentley. i believe the meetings started at that church but they are in a large venue for the big meetings. that church was probably pre-it's really-big-now.
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my original question was, what do the folks that attend the meetings hear?
there's all kinds of research dug up here but that doesn't necessarily represent what the attendees are hearing.
I can't tell you how many are hearing this stuff, but I can tell you that some definitely are because they are in the video. Whether he says and does this stuff every time, or just some of the time, does it really make it less wrong?
i didn't say wrong teaching would be less wrong. the point is, a bunch of churched people are showing up to meetings and people are saying why are they accepting that doctrine etc, i'm saying that doctrine probably has little appearance at the TB events.
and again, TB didn't say the stuff you said was on the video.
accuracy counts.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/17/2008 6:52:44 PM
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OLEE,
Do you hold that Todd Bentley is a false teacher and a false prophet?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/17/2008 7:07:59 PM
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i do not know his motives or current status before God, but i wholeheartedly have trouble with what i have seen and heard.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/17/2008 7:27:55 PM
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i do not know his motives or current status before God, but i wholeheartedly have trouble with what i have seen and heard.
OLEE,
Your answer is a bit odd, please allow me to explain:
His teachings are public and can be easily tested in light of Scripture.
His prophecies spoken have failed and history is evidence to that.
Are you just not aware of what he teaches and has taught? Are you just not aware of the prophecies he has spoken?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/17/2008 7:55:30 PM
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i think your question is odd.
i have not defended any false doctrine nor objected to scrutinizing doctrine.
and i don't see how your question relates to any of my posts.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 7:59:25 PM
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Okay I was watching the one where he has a phone to his ear and he is talking to some Chuck guy. About his dead daughter, then all sudden the child is suppose to come back alive because the no brain active Todd was on the phone. Please oh please God giveTodd the great kick in the sky.
You see God is merciful. Because what him and that Joe on the stage where saying about certian things. They could have end up like some people in the bible which Spirit of God left and they quit breathing.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 8:12:54 PM
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Okay I was watching the one where he has a phone to his ear and he is talking to some Chuck guy. About his dead daughter, then all sudden the child is suppose to come back alive because the no brain active Todd was on the phone. Please oh please God giveTodd the great kick in the sky.
You see God is merciful. Because what him and that Joe on the stage where saying about certian things. They could have end up like some people in the bible which Spirit of God left and they quit breathing.
The hospital where this supposedly happened has confirmed that this is a fictitious story, it never happened there!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 8:20:35 PM
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He can make a fortune selling what he's been smoking!
that kind of statement will put off the people that you want to communicate with.
Exactly!!!!
And they just don't seem to get that. They think they do nothing wrong with their sarcastic comments.
Warning people about what you believe is false is one thing. It is needful.
But done in the attitude of some of the posts comes across as not being done in a spirit of love and defeats the purpose of what they are trying to do.
Please, think about what you write before you hit the submit button.
Wow, never thought one little comment would get so many bent out of shape!
There is enough wrong with Todd Bentley and his freak show in Lakeland that people shouldn't be so caught up in one comment said tongue in cheek.
The energy used to criticize one little comment could be better spent examining Bentley's false and occultic teaching
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 8:22:06 PM
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Okay I was watching the one where he has a phone to his ear and he is talking to some Chuck guy. About his dead daughter, then all sudden the child is suppose to come back alive because the no brain active Todd was on the phone. Please oh please God giveTodd the great kick in the sky.
You see God is merciful. Because what him and that Joe on the stage where saying about certian things. They could have end up like some people in the bible which Spirit of God left and they quit breathing.
The hospital where this supposedly happened has confirmed that this is a fictitious story, it never happened there!
That should even give us more reason to run the little doggey out town. Infact as he leaves ask for the green card or passport. He had to use up his alloted time here. And burn it.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 9:24:01 PM
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After typing this post and it being deleted, and as much as I say I'm not going to type it again, I just have to. I have something so important to say about this. It's probrobly been covered already, and I don't know if I'll be able to clearly express what I'm feeling or convey what I mean, but I have to try.
Have any of you ever seen a move Christian movie called, Revelation? It's the second part to a three part movie series. It's basically about a group of people left behind after the rapture. Now, some of these people have decided to believe in Jesus and some of them are just trying to hang on for the ride. Whatever. The main point is that they are also in the process of trying to find out what something called, "The Day of Wonders" is all about. Something that the Antichrist is heading. They soon find out that it is a day when every human being in the world will view a broadcast on that particular day using special glasses (Kinda like the ones you use in laser tag.) simulating an atmosphere in association with each individual. When the individual puts on the glasses, the Antichrist (world leader) appears, offering each person a the greatest desire of their heart. For one person who was wheelchair-bound - the ability to walk. For the blind woman - the ability to see. And for a young man who's family had been raptured, the antichrist offered him.....his family... Now, each individual isn't just given their desire. No, they have to make a choice. (Think Jesus and his own temptation by Satan.) The person who was offered the desire had to, in order to recieve it, worship the "image" of the one who proclaims to be the Messiah and accept his mark. Otherwise they would be put to death.
I think that there is somthing to this movie and I think it relates in some way to what' s going on in Lakeland and everywhere else there similar happenings. Look, a guy gets a gold tooth in his mouth. Another can see outta his glass eye. Okay....at what cost? I really think that what is going on is in prepeartion for when the false messiah appears, displaying great signs and wonders and even raising himself from the dead.
These people today are obviously running to these meetings, heeding the call to "Come and get some". Yet, I am sure that these same people wouldn't have shown up if there were no signs and wonders being displayed. My concern though, is that these same people who have no desire for the true and living God, who offers more than a physical healing, are going to be the "ministers" and "leaders" parents and guardians of future generations who will not be taught the truth. They will be those who continue to look for a sign and if they can't find it, they will have nothing more to do with "God". But, look....those people who are satisfied with their false sign and wonder, recieving their desire of their heart will continue to teach their children that this is what God is all about. So, in the last days when true ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, don't pimp the power of the Holy Spirit, giving the evil generation their sign and wonder, these people who are given to their own fleshly desires will follow the lies of the antichrist, who will proclaim himself as Messiah (Greater than God and Jesus Christ) and give them their "simulated" wonder in exchange for their soul.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 10:26:27 PM
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The seeking of healing may promote that search to godhood. Yes, God still heals but it always for Him to receive the glory. The same is when healing is delayed until we reach heaven.
Our Father yet heals the spirit of amputees—even when they will not grow legs. And, once the spirit is healed, the legs can be done without.
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I have prayed hundreds, if not thousands, of times for the Lord to heal me—and he finally healed me of the need to be healed.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 11:01:50 PM
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so do we call wanting a healing sin?
people that have been serving the true and living God for years still desire healing when their bodies are hurting.
i think it dangerous, at the very lest unfair, to look at a group of people wanting physical healing and calling the genuineness of their faith into question just because of that desire. i don't see any biblical support for that.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 11:36:11 PM
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No I/we do not call the desire for healing sin, no more then any other desire. The desire is not sinful in and of itself. It comes down to whether we are seeking what we want or our we surrender to our Lord and Messiah.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 11:43:57 PM
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After typing this post and it being deleted, and as much as I say I'm not going to type it again, I just have to. I have something so important to say about this. It's probrobly been covered already, and I don't know if I'll be able to clearly express what I'm feeling or convey what I mean, but I have to try.
Have any of you ever seen a move Christian movie called, Revelation? It's the second part to a three part movie series. It's basically about a group of people left behind after the rapture. Now, some of these people have decided to believe in Jesus and some of them are just trying to hang on for the ride. Whatever. The main point is that they are also in the process of trying to find out what something called, "The Day of Wonders" is all about. Something that the Antichrist is heading. They soon find out that it is a day when every human being in the world will view a broadcast on that particular day using special glasses (Kinda like the ones you use in laser tag.) simulating an atmosphere in association with each individual. When the individual puts on the glasses, the Antichrist (world leader) appears, offering each person a the greatest desire of their heart. For one person who was wheelchair-bound - the ability to walk. For the blind woman - the ability to see. And for a young man who's family had been raptured, the antichrist offered him.....his family... Now, each individual isn't just given their desire. No, they have to make a choice. (Think Jesus and his own temptation by Satan.) The person who was offered the desire had to, in order to recieve it, worship the "image" of the one who proclaims to be the Messiah and accept his mark. Otherwise they would be put to death.
I think that there is somthing to this movie and I think it relates in some way to what' s going on in Lakeland and everywhere else there similar happenings. Look, a guy gets a gold tooth in his mouth. Another can see outta his glass eye. Okay....at what cost? I really think that what is going on is in prepeartion for when the false messiah appears, displaying great signs and wonders and even raising himself from the dead.
These people today are obviously running to these meetings, heeding the call to "Come and get some". Yet, I am sure that these same people wouldn't have shown up if there were no signs and wonders being displayed. My concern though, is that these same people who have no desire for the true and living God, who offers more than a physical healing, are going to be the "ministers" and "leaders" parents and guardians of future generations who will not be taught the truth. They will be those who continue to look for a sign and if they can't find it, they will have nothing more to do with "God". But, look....those people who are satisfied with their false sign and wonder, recieving their desire of their heart will continue to teach their children that this is what God is all about. So, in the last days when true ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, don't pimp the power of the Holy Spirit, giving the evil generation their sign and wonder, these people who are given to their own fleshly desires will follow the lies of the antichrist, who will proclaim himself as Messiah (Greater than God and Jesus Christ) and give them their "simulated" wonder in exchange for their soul.
Ms. Jonz,
First of all, let me state that I am not defending anything that's going on in Lakeland, Florida in this post, rather I am commenting on your referencing the movie "Revelation." One of the things that Christians need to be really careful of when watching that movie, or the really popular ones - the Left Behind series, and the books they are based on - is that these are works of fiction, and they only represent one of many views on eschatology that are out there. And - in my humble opinion - they are the least Biblical, and most ridiculous end-times theories that are out there. The whole dispensational / premillennial and futurist interpretations of the book of Revelation are very twisted, and do not have any solid basis in a good hermeneutical approach to the Scriptures. I am all for watching Christian movies, but when it comes to watching those promoting end-times theology like the Left Behind books, Christians would be better off if those ones would be 'left behind' at the video store. Too much fantasy and ideas of man, and not enough Bible!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/17/2008 11:57:58 PM
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Look, a guy gets a gold tooth in his mouth. Another can see outta his glass eye. Okay....at what cost? I really think that what is going on is in prepeartion for when the false messiah appears, displaying great signs and wonders and even raising himself from the dead.
These people today are obviously running to these meetings, heeding the call to "Come and get some". Yet, I am sure that these same people wouldn't have shown up if there were no signs and wonders being displayed. My concern though, is that these same people who have no desire for the true and living God, who offers more than a physical healing, are going to be the "ministers" and "leaders" parents and guardians of future generations who will not be taught the truth. They will be those who continue to look for a sign and if they can't find it, they will have nothing more to do with "God". But, look....those people who are satisfied with their false sign and wonder, recieving their desire of their heart will continue to teach their children that this is what God is all about. So, in the last days when true ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, don't pimp the power of the Holy Spirit, giving the evil generation their sign and wonder, these people who are given to their own fleshly desires will follow the lies of the antichrist, who will proclaim himself as Messiah (Greater than God and Jesus Christ) and give them their "simulated" wonder in exchange for their soul.
I am not taking sides here, but I believe the point of Mz. Jones post was what I have highlighted above and not a 5 star rating for the movie. I think she is making a good point. Deception appears to be coming through Christians as they are themselves, deceived. 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:24:47 AM
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Yah, it seems I"m being mis understood lately. Maybe it's my signal to stop posting on this subject. I was trying to use the movie as an example, not as proof or evidence for what is happening and what will happen in the last days.
The comparison is th grat people are obviously gonna follow the antichrist because he will do signs and wonders in order to decieve the people into thinking he's the Messiah, being greater than God and His Son. He'll do it by giving them their hearts desire, and giving them whatever is pleasing to the flesh. It's happening now as people will not submit to Christ cuz they don't want to give up whatever it is that's holding them back. Didn't the devil tempt Jesus with things that would have satisfied his flesh, but would have cost him alot more? Didn't it cost Eve more than she bargained for when she gave into tempation?
People are looking for signs, and they're gonna keep on seeking them instead of Christ who wont give them a sign everytime they seek for one. But whoever in the name of "christ" will give them their desire, they're gonna follow. And we're not just talking about healings.
A gold tooth? For what? I think it would be the devil to give a man a "gold" tooth. It makes no sense to me why God would heal someone so they can be so focused on the GREAT (gold tooth) healing instead of a GREAT (Calvary's Cross, The Blood of Jesus, Eternal Life) savior and salvation and the life associated with it.
I've said this before. I know that God heals people and yes, in our day. And no, it's absolutely not a sin to ask for healing or to seek one. But, if that's the focus of why you're coming to Christ....then you're missing something. Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead, and preached repentance for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
Not everyone that is going to these meetings is a Christian, therefore instead of shouting about tv cameras and broadcasters being present in your meeting where there is a supposed outpouring of God's spirit and healings, don't you think it would be right to take the opportunity to share Christ with those viewing the broadcast? I mean, if you can't do it...how about letting those people who come up on stage to testify about what God has done...how about giving them the opportunity to do it? But for some reason Mr. Bentley wont. Why? He'll allow them to say they've been healed, but wont allow you to speak on your own, without questioning you so you'll say just about the right thing in the ears of the listners. It's all about the manifestations and not about anything else.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/18/2008 7:49:43 AM
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i think your question is odd.
i have not defended any false doctrine nor objected to scrutinizing doctrine.
and i don't see how your question relates to any of my posts.
It's a simple question based on this thread and its running theme. A question any Christian that has been involved in this thread for as long as you have should be able to answer yes or no or don't know.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/18/2008 9:36:12 AM
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Ms.Jonz, I understand your point. Your second post is much clearer.
It's perfectly fine to desire and pray for healing. It's not perfectly fine to go to false prophets, false gods and demons to seek healing. If I had cancer there wouldn't be a Christian on this board that would say it's okay for me to go to a voodoo witch doctor for a healing. It would be better for me to die of cancer trusting in God's way than to go to the enemy of my soul to save my life.
In my opinion, that is no different than believers running to TB and Lakeland for a healing without regard to what he's preaching, what the other teachers there are preaching and where the "power" is coming from. To excuse, justify or overlook their unbiblical doctrines by pointing to the miracles of healing is a crock. Again, I don't care if TB, his "advisors" and the pack of teachers connected with this circus go to the local cemetary and raise all the dead on national TV. What is being taught by them is heretical. How can Christian's claim to be ready to lay their lives down for the gospel of Jesus Christ yet run to any "miracle worker" regardless of whatever "gospel" they are preaching so that they can get a healing or deliverance from their suffering? They might as well go to the local witch doctor at least the voodoo doctor probably isn't a charlatan.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/18/2008 10:07:15 AM
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In my opinion, that is no different than believers running to TB and Lakeland for a healing without regard to what he's preaching, what the other teachers there are preaching and where the "power" is coming from. To excuse, justify or overlook their unbiblical doctrines by pointing to the miracles of healing is a crock. Again, I don't care if TB, his "advisors" and the pack of teachers connected with this circus go to the local cemetary and raise all the dead on national TV. What is being taught by them is heretical. How can Christian's claim to be ready to lay their lives down for the gospel of Jesus Christ yet run to any "miracle worker" regardless of whatever "gospel" they are preaching so that they can get a healing or deliverance from their suffering? They might as well go to the local witch doctor at least the voodoo doctor probably isn't a charlatan.
Yeppers. But so few Christians know how to test and discern, they are easily led astray. They are used to being told what to believe and not used to studying for themselves. Then when someone comes along who is skeptical, they look at that person as the freak...not the false teacher. It's annoying, that.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 10:15:58 AM
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sirwintery
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Not everyone that is going to these meetings is a Christian, therefore instead of shouting about tv cameras and broadcasters being present in your meeting where there is a supposed outpouring of God's spirit and healings, don't you think it would be right to take the opportunity to share Christ with those viewing the broadcast? I mean, if you can't do it...how about letting those people who come up on stage to testify about what God has done...how about giving them the opportunity to do it? But for some reason Mr. Bentley wont. Why? He'll allow them to say they've been healed, but wont allow you to speak on your own, without questioning you so you'll say just about the right thing in the ears of the listners. It's all about the manifestations and not about anything else.
If you don't understand what I'm saying, Oh well.
I get you, Ms.Jonz, and I think you may have hit on the right term--"power pimps".
If Christ will say "I never knew you" to those who claimed to do miracles in His name (Matthew 7:21-23), it means to me that they were naming His name while not knowing Him and yet doing "miracles". I also noticed on one program, as you say, TB will allow them to say they've been healed but he finishes their statements for them, sometimes exaggerating.
ringmaster (from MerriamWebster)
: one in charge of performances in a ring (as of a circus); broadly : a supervisor or moderator especially of a performance or presentation
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 11:33:05 AM
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Not everyone that is going to these meetings is a Christian, therefore instead of shouting about tv cameras and broadcasters being present in your meeting where there is a supposed outpouring of God's spirit and healings, don't you think it would be right to take the opportunity to share Christ with those viewing the broadcast?
i actually think this is the most problematic part of the scene.
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