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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/18/2008 11:36:45 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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ORIGINAL: laura...
In my opinion, that is no different than believers running to TB and Lakeland for a healing without regard to what he's preaching, what the other teachers there are preaching and where the "power" is coming from. To excuse, justify or overlook their unbiblical doctrines by pointing to the miracles of healing is a crock. Again, I don't care if TB, his "advisors" and the pack of teachers connected with this circus go to the local cemetary and raise all the dead on national TV. What is being taught by them is heretical. How can Christian's claim to be ready to lay their lives down for the gospel of Jesus Christ yet run to any "miracle worker" regardless of whatever "gospel" they are preaching so that they can get a healing or deliverance from their suffering? They might as well go to the local witch doctor at least the voodoo doctor probably isn't a charlatan.
Yeppers. But so few Christians know how to test and discern, they are easily led astray. They are used to being told what to believe and not used to studying for themselves. Then when someone comes along who is skeptical, they look at that person as the freak...not the false teacher. It's annoying, that.
most of the people here that are aware of TB's doctrine/teachings are not aware because of what TB said in a lakeland meeting. it's from research into TB's teaching/doctrine. i think many that attend are unaware.
they read bibles, they go to churches without big questionable doctrine etc.
the attendees are not coming to hear false teaching, infact many here point out there isn't really teaching going on.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/18/2008 11:48:21 AM
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most of the people here that are aware of TB's doctrine/teachings are not aware because of what TB said in a lakeland meeting. it's from research into TB's teaching/doctrine. i think many that attend are unaware.
Most of the links and research on this thread either go directly to videos of Todd's teachings at Lakeland or refer directly to quotes made by Todd and other speakers at the Lakeland revival.
Even if one could excuse the majority of attenders as being biblically uneducated and/or unaware of TB's beliefs and teachings there's no excuse for the pastors and church leaders who are taking the congregations to these meeting or taking this stuff back to their congregations. If pastors and leaders are not investigating this "revival" then they are neglecting their duty, their congregations and their calling.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/18/2008 12:16:03 PM
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As an "overseer" I had to refuse to allow a minister to come as
he/she wanted to bring the "IT" from Lakeland. This has been
such an eye opener that all pastors checking into this should be
more "vigilant" as to who they allow to come into the churches.
Coming out of several WOF churches, etc. It is so sickening when
you realize that even as a life long Bible Student, how easy it is to
be duped by the "wiles of the devil."
It's time for even those on the sidelines to quit criticizing the watchmen
and become watchmen themselves.
How can one minister in the end-times if we can't even recognize the
here and now? Time to get in the WORD itself and get prepared.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 6/18/2008 12:21:01 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
It's time for even those on the sidelines to quit criticizing the watchmen
and become watchmen themselves.
but the watchmen need to stay accountable also or they too will be in error.
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Time to get in the WORD itself and get prepared.
this i think should be points 1-99 of 100.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:23:11 PM
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Try not to get in too big of a wad over this as I view it as humorous with a hint of truth...
Another "Emma"!
Coming soon to a store shelf near you! E.M.A. = Eternal Maiden Actualization (if I heard it right)
Could Bentley gain control through these robotic women?! 
Revelation 13:15 "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast...."!!
Okay, please "Put your sword back into its place" and overlook my humor if you have to.
Isn't it funny how once you hear something it comes up again somewhere else? We've talked about Emma-O being Japanese Buddhist god of the underworld while TB sees a female Emma, now Japan is building female E.M.A.'s to market as companions to lonely men. It's a strange coincidence for this name, phonetically the same to be popularized in two very different ways.
ROFL. Not one bit surprising.
There is a unique history in the automotive industry.
The progression fails me at this moment, but the "names"
of the cars undergo specific changes under the noses of the consumer.
Religion isn't any different. The automobiles are named after the "man."
"Copeland Ministries" Oral Roberts University, etc. i.e. Ford, Dodge, Chrysler, etc.
but then names began to appear after the "names" of created beings.
And some I'm sure are named after fallen angels and mythological dieties.
Like I said, it fails me at the moment the progression.
The Book of Acts of the Jewish Apostles started out with the
"ministry that Jesus began to do." It's still the ministry of the Saviour.
It's not a ministry of man, yet that's about all we have to look to - ministries of men.
Every thing that "is of God" is a continuation of the Ministry of the Messiah.
The freaks shows that have been around for centuries are lifting up man, not Jesus.
They're all done "in the name of Jesus," that's why the unsuspecting fall for it everytime.
God help us one and all.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:25:06 PM
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but the watchmen need to stay accountable also or they too will be in error.
When the gifts of the Spirit are in operation, one speaks and the other judges.
If the watchmen are moving into error, it will be noticed and the other watchmen
will bring it to light. Those on the ground taking "pot" shots at them just make
their jobs harder. LOL
I'm one of those on the ground and I yell, "Need anything up there? Food, water?"
"stay accountable" is such a cop-out these days.
The Word is what all of us are to be held accountable to, not each other.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:27:33 PM
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and who gets to name/assign the watchmen?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:29:02 PM
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Time to get in the WORD itself and get prepared.
this i think should be points 1-99 of 100.
You are so right. Steps 1-99 are just that, steps.
Step 100 is the mission. Many will spend their whole lives
studying and preparing for one particular day or for one
particular encounter. Yet the TB's woo us into thinking if
everyone isn't doing what they are doing, we're not serving God.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:30:15 PM
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and who gets to name/assign the watchmen?
You don't know?
Come on OLEE!
God sets up "HIS" watchmen. They are accountable to Him, not you.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:34:34 PM
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 i ain't assuming charge.
how do the peons know who God assigns as watchmen?
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"stay accountable" is such a cop-out these days.
The Word is what all of us are to be held accountable to, not each other.
really? we hear about the lack of accountability in "false teachers" all of the time. so this is not needed for those that are real people of God?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:36:26 PM
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It's not a ministry of man, yet that's about all we have to look to - ministries of men.
Every thing that "is of God" is a continuation of the Ministry of the Messiah.
I've noticed how Bentley refers to "his stage", says "he knows how to breakthrough" and is jolly well seeing himself as a guru type. "Let me knee you in the gut" vs "Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk."
On the topic of what they're not hearing, it's no small significance that Florida is a big vacation spot and it's near big vacation attractions--Busch Gardens, Disney World and much more--and some Christians are on the lark and vacation down there as they were with Brownsville. Are we going to spoil that and ask them to think?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:39:51 PM
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so it's a sin to....what during a vacation? that too is going to be proof that attendees don't have real faith in the true and living God?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:39:52 PM
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Hmmm..
What I get from Olee's posts is that when we credit things to Bentley he did not say, but his cronies did, or read things into his tattoos that may not be there, we are removing credibility from those who oppose his teachings. There is enough wrong there that we don't have to pull taffy out of every corner and stretch it into something it is not.
There is more enough verifiable trouble to deal with.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:42:23 PM
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real people of God?
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Just the fact of being "real" people of God shows their "accountability."
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how do the peons know who God assigns as watchmen?
On forums, the Moderators are the watchmen.
Earthless has proven himself a watchmen by his widom, biblical knowledge,
and past experience. He's in the back stage arenas in many of these things.
And, maybe I can't actually answer why "peons" don't recognize them.
Maybe because we're peons. lol. Does the private know the strategies of
the generals and lieutenants?
One of the many dangerous dangers we fall into is when people "prophesy"
"testify of visitations", etc. and then there's this mentality of "who is anyone
to dare question what they say or dream?"
99% of "Thus saith the Lord's" are carnal imaginations.
The Bible says we are to cast down imaginations. Yet, when tagged with
"Thus saith the Lord," everyone cowers down and anyone who suspects them
becomes suspect. It's the human (fallen) nature of man I guess.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 12:50:59 PM
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Try not to get in too big of a wad over this as I view it as humorous with a hint of truth...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 1:26:49 PM
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map4: Exactly!!!!
And they just don't seem to get that. They think they do nothing wrong with their sarcastic comments.
Warning people about what you believe is false is one thing. It is needful.
But done in the attitude of some of the posts comes across as not being done in a spirit of love and defeats the purpose of what they are trying to do.
Everything that Jesus did and said was love. Even in His harshness and rebukes of the religious leaders, His words were still laced with love. Because He loved them. His words were/are truth and love. Not sarcastic, flippant remarks. Those drive away the very ones you are trying to reach.
You have to understand that people will automatically be defensive when what they hold dear to them is being refuted.
You will not change their minds with some of the attitudes in some of the posts here. Actually, you can't change their minds at all. Only the Holy Spirit can do that.
Speaking of the Holy Spirit, nowhere in scripture do I find that He will ridicule people. He woos them. Yes, He convicts the sinner. But not at the expense of love. He can't do anything but love.
I have seen the reactions of some of you when what you beleive is called into question. You don't take kindly to it. Try to imagine yourself as one of the ones you are trying to help with this thread. Go back and honestly read some of your posts. Can you honestly say that you would be "won over" by some of them or would your self -defense mechanism kick in and you would start defending your beliefs at the expense of the truth?
What if your sarcastic remarks causes one to turn away from the truth of what you are trying to tell them? Would you not be causing them to stumble? What does the Word say about causing one to stumble?
Thanks for stating this. This is exactly what I saw and why I didn't continue to post here. I don't get the impression that some of the people posting actually care about warning anyone (some do, but some don't), but rather care more about tearing others down by making rude and sarcastic comments for the benefit of their fellow posters. Some (but not all) of the posts are not spoken in the spirit of love, and because of that many will not receive what is in this thread. This is a shame because there are a number of good points here.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 1:31:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: OLEEguacamole
so it's a sin to....what during a vacation? that too is going to be proof that attendees don't have real faith in the true and living God?
OLEE,
I was not only speaking in general but specifically I know some who went down there and included the Bentley/Strader Circus as part of their vacation. What part do you disagree with?
Now that I think about it, yeah, it really is like going to a circus on a vacation. Most people drop their guard to be amused. I didn't say anything about their not having faith so I don't follow that part.
I haven't gotten around to saying you do have a point that Lakeland visitors never hear the "real" TB, if that's what you're saying.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 1:43:30 PM
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Again,
We easily sidestep the "issue"
because we demand political correctness.
Bentley is a fraud, it's been proven.
Evolution is a fraud, it's been proven,
yet look at the followers who don't care.
They "choose" to believe what they want.
Romans 1:24
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness"
Romans 1:26
"for this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:"
Romans 1:28
"God gave them over to a reprobate mind,"
There's the principle.
God gives us over to whatever we want.
We reject sound doctrine, we are given over to every "wind" of doctrine.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 1:45:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: mcleod
Infact as he leaves ask for the green card or passport. He had to use up his alloted time here.
I think a Canadian gets six months before they have to return. Todd has posted an itinerary which has a date in Canada at the end of July into August.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:01:43 PM
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so it's a sin to....what during a vacation? that too is going to be proof that attendees don't have real faith in the true and living God?
OLEE,
I was not only speaking in general but specifically I know some who went down there and included the Bentley/Strader Circus as part of their vacation. What part do you disagree with?
Now that I think about it, yeah, it really is like going to a circus on a vacation. Most people drop their guard to be amused. I didn't say anything about their not having faith so I don't follow that part.
I haven't gotten around to saying you do have a point that Lakeland visitors never hear the "real" TB, if that's what you're saying.
i don't think we can know anything about some one's faith or motives just because they vacationed and attended a lakeland meeting in the same trip.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:07:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: OLEEguacamole
really? we hear about the lack of accountability in "false teachers" all of the time. so this is not needed for those that are real people of God?
As believers - we're all accountable to the Word of God, to each other, to the church. No one is above anyone else and no one can claim to be at a level where certain people can't or ought not to question them or approach them with concerns.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:09:53 PM
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Had someone say the following to me in response to the YouTube clip discussed a few pages back... the clip from Monday night in which a guy was describing a vision in which he said Jesus came off His throne, took of His crown, and knelt down before the Church, etc...
This is his response to that incident:
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I don't see the glaring blasphemy. Where is man being exhalted? The weeping bride with a torn dress?
How is Jesus demoted, ministering to the bride? (Did He not wash feet?) Putting a ring on her finger? Gen 41:42 Lu 15:22
Was it the suggestion of unity in the church?
Any thoughts?
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