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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:12:03 PM
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Something interesting to keep an eye on and see what develops:
"An anonymous commenter at "Living in The Way" has claimed that Assemblies of God General Superintendent, Dr. George O. Wood has sent a letter of rebuke to "Florida Outpouring" leader Todd Bentley.
No details were given and "Living in The Way" has researched the claim finding no verifying evidence that the claim is true.
The commenter wrote: "(Dr. George O. Wood) recently contacted Bentley with a letter of rebuke and asked various questions which to my knowledge he has not received a response to yet."
"Living in The Way" comments "…if Dr. Wood indeed sent a letter of rebuke to Mr. Bentley, it is concrete proof that Dr. Wood is UTTERLY FAILING to faithfully lead tens of thousands of AG members who have embraced the "Florida Outpouring" AWAY from Todd Bentley’s deeds or teachings that prompted his rebuke. AND if Todd Bentley has DELAYED in responding to a rebuke from an international denominational leader, then HE shows disregard and disrespect for the rebuke and for the Assemblies of God which gave him his platform for this so-called revival!"
If this "rebuke letter" claim is true, Dr. George Wood needs to make public his rebuke and his reasons for it and thus for once give Assemblies of God congregations and pastors some Biblical guidance leading them FROM charismatic chaos rather that toward it. "
Given the history of AoG leadership and their wishy-washy stances on past "revivals", I look at this with hope, and skepticism.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:19:17 PM
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Man Pronounced Healed by Todd Bentley Dies 8 Days Later.
- A pastor pronounced "healed" by Todd Bentley Dies 8 Days Later.
- Justin Peters contacted 7 people who went up on stage and said they felt the power of God go through them, but Todd Bentley proclaimed them healed, and none of the 7 are any better, there is no change in their physical condition.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:20:07 PM
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If you like serious, why doesn't anyone comment on the translation of Bentley's tongues by Hannah Weiss which I posted previously--I'd really like to know if anyone agrees with it. For myself it would be a strange coincidence if it is not true and an alarming one, particulary given his record and the meaning of "bambam" in Sanskrit, and the video which she linked with her translation.
I actually did go and check this out - there is so much to check out at the moment, that I have not posted. I think this whole outpouring is worse than people think it is. And it is going to get worse. And, THAT is serious. But I was not downing your post.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:35:06 PM
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If you like serious, why doesn't anyone comment on the translation of Bentley's tongues by Hannah Weiss which I posted previously--I'd really like to know if anyone agrees with it. For myself it would be a strange coincidence if it is not true and an alarming one, particulary given his record and the meaning of "bambam" in Sanskrit, and the video which she linked with her translation.
I actually did go and check this out - there is so much to check out at the moment, that I have not posted. I think this whole outpouring is worse than people think it is. And it is going to get worse. And, THAT is serious. But I was not downing your post.
I went back a few pages and couldn't find that tongues/translation link.. can you please help me out?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:37:59 PM
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Something interesting to keep an eye on and see what develops:
"An anonymous commenter at "Living in The Way" has claimed that Assemblies of God General Superintendent, Dr. George O. Wood has sent a letter of rebuke to "Florida Outpouring" leader Todd Bentley.
No details were given and "Living in The Way" has researched the claim finding no verifying evidence that the claim is true.
The commenter wrote: "(Dr. George O. Wood) recently contacted Bentley with a letter of rebuke and asked various questions which to my knowledge he has not received a response to yet."
"Living in The Way" comments "…if Dr. Wood indeed sent a letter of rebuke to Mr. Bentley, it is concrete proof that Dr. Wood is UTTERLY FAILING to faithfully lead tens of thousands of AG members who have embraced the "Florida Outpouring" AWAY from Todd Bentley’s deeds or teachings that prompted his rebuke. AND if Todd Bentley has DELAYED in responding to a rebuke from an international denominational leader, then HE shows disregard and disrespect for the rebuke and for the Assemblies of God which gave him his platform for this so-called revival!"
If this "rebuke letter" claim is true, Dr. George Wood needs to make public his rebuke and his reasons for it and thus for once give Assemblies of God congregations and pastors some Biblical guidance leading them FROM charismatic chaos rather that toward it. "
Given the history of AoG leadership and their wishy-washy stances on past "revivals", I look at this with hope, and skepticism.
This is very interesting!!!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:40:42 PM
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If you like serious, why doesn't anyone comment on the translation of Bentley's tongues by Hannah Weiss which I posted previously--I'd really like to know if anyone agrees with it. For myself it would be a strange coincidence if it is not true and an alarming one, particulary given his record and the meaning of "bambam" in Sanskrit, and the video which she linked with her translation.
I actually did go and check this out - there is so much to check out at the moment, that I have not posted. I think this whole outpouring is worse than people think it is. And it is going to get worse. And, THAT is serious. But I was not downing your post.
I went back a few pages and couldn't find that tongues/translation link.. can you please help me out?
I would also like the link please!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:44:58 PM
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ORIGINAL: stellaluna
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ORIGINAL: Soxfan
Something interesting to keep an eye on and see what develops:
"An anonymous commenter at "Living in The Way" has claimed that Assemblies of God General Superintendent, Dr. George O. Wood has sent a letter of rebuke to "Florida Outpouring" leader Todd Bentley.
No details were given and "Living in The Way" has researched the claim finding no verifying evidence that the claim is true.
The commenter wrote: "(Dr. George O. Wood) recently contacted Bentley with a letter of rebuke and asked various questions which to my knowledge he has not received a response to yet."
"Living in The Way" comments "…if Dr. Wood indeed sent a letter of rebuke to Mr. Bentley, it is concrete proof that Dr. Wood is UTTERLY FAILING to faithfully lead tens of thousands of AG members who have embraced the "Florida Outpouring" AWAY from Todd Bentley’s deeds or teachings that prompted his rebuke. AND if Todd Bentley has DELAYED in responding to a rebuke from an international denominational leader, then HE shows disregard and disrespect for the rebuke and for the Assemblies of God which gave him his platform for this so-called revival!"
If this "rebuke letter" claim is true, Dr. George Wood needs to make public his rebuke and his reasons for it and thus for once give Assemblies of God congregations and pastors some Biblical guidance leading them FROM charismatic chaos rather that toward it. "
Given the history of AoG leadership and their wishy-washy stances on past "revivals", I look at this with hope, and skepticism.
This is very interesting!!!
I also just wrote the AoG about this matter.
Doubt I will get a response though.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 2:58:25 PM
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I went back a few pages and couldn't find that tongues/translation link.. can you please help me out?
Hey there - Post 1958 - Wintery
It was a ways back.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 3:10:40 PM
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Found it and I am about to watch it.
Just an observation from someone who has spent a good deal of time in tattoo shops...in this video from 2004, Todd Bentley doesn't have any visible tattoos or facial piercings. Now he's pierced and completely sleeved? That's weird to me. I'm sure it's possible that he had all of that ink planned out and just hadn't started yet, but most people take years to get work like that on one arm, much less two. That may be a dumb thing to have be a red flag, but it's a red flag to me.
Back to the thread.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 3:16:48 PM
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I went back a few pages and couldn't find that tongues/translation link.. can you please help me out?
Hey there - Post 1958 - Wintery
It was a ways back.
Just saw the whole 9 minute video and nothing of it has anything with Sanskit translations, etc..
Did I watch the wrong clip? It was from Todd at the Toronto Airport church in 2004, pre all the tattoos.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 3:20:29 PM
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NOTE: many of the words in this clip, and other words Todd Bentley is
known to shout out when he lays hands on people, can be found in a
Sanskrit dictionary.
Q: Why Sanskrit? What made you even think of looking in a Sanskrit
dictionary?
A: Sanskrit is the holy tongue of Hinduism, and it's the language
used in 'giving Shaktipat'.... which is what Todd Bentley appears to
be doing in his 'impartations'. See the comparison later.
Q: So, assuming the words are Sanskrit, what is he saying over these
people?
A: Here is a list, based on the above clip. I could not catch
everything - these were the clearest.
Just copy/pasted from that link - where she is addressing the Sanskrit So, if you continue reading after
the above quote, she goes into detail re the Sanskrit and sources
for same.
Just passing the info from another post - not giving an opionion - haven't covered it all myself.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 3:35:34 PM
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Okay, watched it and I actually did hear some words that sound like sanskrit in there. What I cannot say is whether there was hindu prayer.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 3:40:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Given the history of AoG leadership and their wishy-washy stances on past "revivals", I look at this with hope, and skepticism.
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This is very interesting!!!
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I also just wrote the AoG about this matter.
Doubt I will get a response though.
I actually wrote them a few years back about something and got a response from someone on Thomas Trask's staff.
I asked them to please explain the AoG's current position on Latter Rain Theology and the movement to restore the offices of Apostle and Prophet to the church. I referenced their previous position from the 1940's where they declared this movement heresy and explin why some of their churches are currently embracing this movement (Tommy Barnett's church in Phoenix, Carpenter's Home Church in Lakeland, Hills Church in Australia)
The person that responded would not take a position either way (surprise).
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 3:49:41 PM
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Had someone say the following to me in response to the YouTube clip discussed a few pages back... the clip from Monday night in which a guy was describing a vision in which he said Jesus came off His throne, took of His crown, and knelt down before the Church, etc...
This is his response to that incident:
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I don't see the glaring blasphemy. Where is man being exhalted? The weeping bride with a torn dress?
How is Jesus demoted, ministering to the bride? (Did He not wash feet?) Putting a ring on her finger? Gen 41:42 Lu 15:22
Was it the suggestion of unity in the church?
Any thoughts?
I throw my opinion in I guess.
What I felt was so blasphemous was Jesus getting up off the throne and bowing before His bride part. While it is true that Jesus washed the disciples feet, this was because He came as the suffering servant.
He is our resurrected Lord and Savior.
The fact of the matter is, it is not Christ who bows before His bride - it is His bride that bows before her Lord!
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Philippians 2:9-11 ESV - 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 3:57:35 PM
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dwtramm,
Thank you for the response and especially for the Scripture. That passage sums it all up as to why that guys claim of that vision is not from the Lord.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:02:56 PM
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I went back a few pages and couldn't find that tongues/translation link.. can you please help me out?
Hey there - Post 1958 - Wintery
It was a ways back.
Just saw the whole 9 minute video and nothing of it has anything with Sanskit translations, etc..
Did I watch the wrong clip? It was from Todd at the Toronto Airport church in 2004, pre all the tattoos.
Below is what I was referring to from the linked page:
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9. bam-bam' - (BhaMBhaM) - to sodomize
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(NOTE: This sounds far-fetched and even slanderous --- until you
notice that within seconds, a girl starts moving like she is being
ravished from behind. Todd returns to her, says 'it's on you right
now...' and stands in front of her prophesying. See mark 7:35.)
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wintery: I think she saying at seven minutes thirty-five seconds, not the verse in Mark. There was a post early on this thread where a woman stated that she witnessed women moving in the same manner at Lakeland. This stood out but several words are allegedly translated.
If you guys think its bogus, say whatever you think.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:07:26 PM
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I don't know if bogus is the right word. I don't like clips like that from anyone because they make me uncomfortable, but compared to others I've seen, Bentley's language sounds very simplistic--individual words and not speech, per se. Some of what he says does sound like sanskrit, but sanskrit is a language apart from hindu, so it may be a stretch to take it as far as this woman has done in her translation.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:12:56 PM
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Correction: the quote in this thread was from a man:
-Women just gyrating and pulsating like ...(abbreviated by wintery)
from post 177
(personal note to all--I am sorry for the distasteful nature of the subject matter)
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:20:42 PM
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I don't know if bogus is the right word. I don't like clips like that from anyone because they make me uncomfortable, but compared to others I've seen, Bentley's language sounds very simplistic--individual words and not speech, per se. Some of what he says does sound like sanskrit, but sanskrit is a language apart from hindu, so it may be a stretch to take it as far as this woman has done in her translation.
Thanks for this response. If TB were speaking words in Sanskrit, especially bad words, we would exclude God from having part in that, wouldn't we? Since Soxfan just posted about 7 pronounced healed who had no physical change (but who stated they felt something at the time) there are more questions for those who think that somehow God is doing healing there.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:33:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: wintery
Below is what I was referring to from the linked page:
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9. bam-bam' - (BhaMBhaM) - to sodomize
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(NOTE: This sounds far-fetched and even slanderous --- until you
notice that within seconds, a girl starts moving like she is being
ravished from behind. Todd returns to her, says 'it's on you right
now...' and stands in front of her prophesying. See mark 7:35.)
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wintery: I think she saying at seven minutes thirty-five seconds, not the verse in Mark. There was a post early on this thread where a woman stated that she witnessed women moving in the same manner at Lakeland. This stood out but several words are allegedly translated.
If you guys think its bogus, say whatever you think.
I could string any verbal sounds together and could probably find some phonetic likeness to a word in some language. I wouldn't attempt to determine what language TB might be speaking when he is speaking in tongues. Is it possible that those words are sanskrit? Yes. Is it possible that they are not? Yes. I'm far more concerned about the words he's speaking in plain English.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:38:53 PM
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Physical, spiritual, what ever -----------
It's ALL disturbing.
Millions led astray.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:38:57 PM
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I could string any verbal sounds together and could probably find some phonetic likeness to a word in some language. I wouldn't attempt to determine what language TB might be speaking when he is speaking in tongues. Is it possible that those words are sanskrit? Yes. Is it possible that they are not? Yes. I'm far more concerned about the words he's speaking in plain English.
Ha. Certainly. And we know what those words are.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:42:04 PM
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I don't know if bogus is the right word. I don't like clips like that from anyone because they make me uncomfortable, but compared to others I've seen, Bentley's language sounds very simplistic--individual words and not speech, per se. Some of what he says does sound like sanskrit, but sanskrit is a language apart from hindu, so it may be a stretch to take it as far as this woman has done in her translation.
Thanks for this response. If TB were speaking words in Sanskrit, especially bad words, we would exclude God from having part in that, wouldn't we? Since Soxfan just posted about 7 pronounced healed who had no physical change (but who stated they felt something at the time) there are more questions for those who think that somehow God is doing healing there.
Well...the woman doing the translating is relating all of these supposed sanskrit words to Hindu. That is the part that is a stretch for me. But like Laura said, just because they sound like sanskrit doesn't mean they are.
And I also agree that the things he says that we can understand are much more disturbing. 
(And for the record, I'm not surprised at the lack of healing either.)
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 4:51:30 PM
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dwtram (and others..)
This is the response to the whole Jesus kneeling, getting off His throne, etc..
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The act of kneeling is not always bowing to, worship or submission.
Kneeling down to someone in need can be an act of gentleness and compassion. A intimate point of contact. Ask a mother with a bandaid or a nurse kneeling to talk to a patient in a wheel chair.
Absolutely Jesus is the name of above ALL names, worthy of all worship.
I first objected to the words and then went back and asked myself if it was possible to think differently about the content. Sometimes we expect error, and so we hear error.
Thoughts?
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