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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 5:05:59 PM
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dwtramm
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dwtram (and others..)
This is the response to the whole Jesus kneeling, getting off His throne, etc..
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The act of kneeling is not always bowing to, worship or submission.
Kneeling down to someone in need can be an act of gentleness and compassion. A intimate point of contact. Ask a mother with a bandaid or a nurse kneeling to talk to a patient in a wheel chair.
Absolutely Jesus is the name of above ALL names, worthy of all worship.
I first objected to the words and then went back and asked myself if it was possible to think differently about the content. Sometimes we expect error, and so we hear error.
Thoughts?
I would have to study it out, I'm leaving for church so this will be quick, but that person who said the above quote is contextualizing.
He is bringing up what is acceptable in our culture to explain the vision.
Unless I'm wrong, every time bowing or kneeling before someone is mentioned in Scripture, it is done as an act of reverence or worship.
Contextualizing our culture's ways and understanding into the Scripture is just as dangerous as taking Scripture out of context....in my opinion.
Gotta run!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 6:57:22 PM
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I went back a few pages and couldn't find that tongues/translation link.. can you please help me out?
Hey there - Post 1958 - Wintery
It was a ways back.
Just saw the whole 9 minute video and nothing of it has anything with Sanskit translations, etc..
Did I watch the wrong clip? It was from Todd at the Toronto Airport church in 2004, pre all the tattoos.
Below is what I was referring to from the linked page:
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9. bam-bam' - (BhaMBhaM) - to sodomize
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(NOTE: This sounds far-fetched and even slanderous --- until you
notice that within seconds, a girl starts moving like she is being
ravished from behind. Todd returns to her, says 'it's on you right
now...' and stands in front of her prophesying. See mark 7:35.)
Oh my God!!! I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!! It seriously does not take a great theologian a rocket scientist or anyone else to see that there is totally something straight up demonic about this guy!! I said a loooong time ago that in the video where the two woman are told by TB to stand where the angels stand on his stage, that he what I saw was a man telling her to stand there like he was going to display her as a part of a freak show! But, then as soon as she started to get "drunk" he started to gyrate and say "Bam Bam Bam, There it is!" and at the same time she's also flynching and gyrating under his control. It was really perverted and it really really disgusts me.
Anyone who thinks this guy has anything to do with Jesus Christ is completely decieved!! - And it's not a joke. Would God and did the son of God, as he ministered during his time on earth EVER exploit people and shame them the way this man does? Honestly, are love and compassion being displayed here??? No!! Does anyone understand that only demons act this way??? They're outta control, they pervert whatver has to do with Christ, They will use, exploit humans and after they are done with them, throw them away to die. That's what Satan is all about. He uses people and in the end, cuz he cares nothing about a single soul, whether it belongs to him or not. The thief comes to steal, to kill and to destroy!!
You want what this guy's offering you might as well go to Coney Island and look for the Freak Show's on the boardwalk!
I'm sooo disgusted.
Yet, on a more joyful note....I'm so glad for this forum and that God gave me discernment as I questioned this "move of God", because I was able to ask my friend to pray about this whole thing and TB and take a look at what's really going on. And he recieved what I said! Praise God!!
I didn't care if it cost me our friendship cuz it was eating at my heart and I'm glad I did it. The truth hurts and it's hard to share, but it sure does set you free.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 8:48:16 PM
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Pray for NC.. I just did a brief google search and this movement seems to be hiting Charlotte. TB is speaking tomorrow in Concord a small city near Charlotte. While NC is in the Bible Belt it is ripe for TB's deception.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 9:02:01 PM
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earthless
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A child tells Todd Bentley not to touch him...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 10:05:41 PM
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And let me add that the two little girls didn't fall out. Their parents did (or at least one of them did), but not the kids!!! What does that tell you?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/18/2008 10:16:23 PM
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colliefan
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What does that tell you?
The kids see the guy for who he is; a fraud.
A few months ago a bunch of individuals were going around town selling fake magazine subscriptions. One of them came to the door and my oldest and most gentle collie let out a growl that would have made Cujo run. He could sense the guy was up to no good. The guy took off like a bat of hell.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 1:27:05 AM
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Hey, has this been linked yet?
Linkeh.
Ooooooh boy...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 1:31:30 AM
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And let me add that the two little girls didn't fall out. Their parents did (or at least one of them did), but not the kids!!! What does that tell you?
the parents were into the hype......kids werent.....whos gullible? 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 2:28:41 AM
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A child tells Todd Bentley not to touch him...
As a father of two daughters (one is 12 and the other is 5) and a former juvenile probation officer, I believe (and this might sound harsh) that child molestation should be treated as a capital offense. Sexual predators are rarely ever "cured" of their deviant behavior, and I would still be wary of one who is born-again Christian. I know God can forgive them, but I would never, ever, EVER let my children be near one in any form of ministry.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 7:46:35 AM
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A child tells Todd Bentley not to touch him...
As a father of two daughters (one is 12 and the other is 5) and a former juvenile probation officer, I believe (and this might sound harsh) that child molestation should be treated as a capital offense. Sexual predators are rarely ever "cured" of their deviant behavior, and I would still be wary of one who is born-again Christian. I know God can forgive them, but I would never, ever, EVER let my children be near one in any form of ministry.
We had an excellent thread on this a few weeks ago in the 'Morality & Ethics' sub-forum. It is really worth reading as it reflects a lot of what you're saying.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 9:02:06 AM
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A child tells Todd Bentley not to touch him...
The emperor has no clothes.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 9:34:27 AM
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A child tells Todd Bentley not to touch him...
Mark 10:15:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."
Now if only the adults would see this guy for the fraud that he is.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 9:38:24 AM
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sirwintery
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A child tells Todd Bentley not to touch him...
Who is _really_ prophesying in that clip?
Isaiah 11:6 "and a little child shall lead them."
Hebrews 11:33 "Who through faith...stopped the mouths of lions"
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 10:32:23 AM
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Something interesting to keep an eye on and see what develops:
"An anonymous commenter at "Living in The Way" has claimed that Assemblies of God General Superintendent, Dr. George O. Wood has sent a letter of rebuke to "Florida Outpouring" leader Todd Bentley.
No details were given and "Living in The Way" has researched the claim finding no verifying evidence that the claim is true.
The commenter wrote: "(Dr. George O. Wood) recently contacted Bentley with a letter of rebuke and asked various questions which to my knowledge he has not received a response to yet."
"Living in The Way" comments "…if Dr. Wood indeed sent a letter of rebuke to Mr. Bentley, it is concrete proof that Dr. Wood is UTTERLY FAILING to faithfully lead tens of thousands of AG members who have embraced the "Florida Outpouring" AWAY from Todd Bentley’s deeds or teachings that prompted his rebuke. AND if Todd Bentley has DELAYED in responding to a rebuke from an international denominational leader, then HE shows disregard and disrespect for the rebuke and for the Assemblies of God which gave him his platform for this so-called revival!"
If this "rebuke letter" claim is true, Dr. George Wood needs to make public his rebuke and his reasons for it and thus for once give Assemblies of God congregations and pastors some Biblical guidance leading them FROM charismatic chaos rather that toward it. "
Given the history of AoG leadership and their wishy-washy stances on past "revivals", I look at this with hope, and skepticism.
From HERE
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Anonymous said...
Dr. Wood recently visited the A/G New York District Office where he shared that he sent a letter to Todd Bentley to which he has not yet received a reply although he believes that Todd had replied in a roundabout way on one of the broadcasts.
I don't remember all that he said, but do remember that he mentioned that angels are good for two things: jail breaks and confirmations. He also mentioned that when Todd spoke of William Branham (and the angel on him) he immediately knew something was wrong as Branham was a well-known heretic.
As this was not one of the more important or interesting topics during the discussion I took no notes and am not remembering exactly what else was said, but he did mention the letter and he brought up some issues he had with this so-called revival.
June 19, 2008 1:59 AM
I am praying that Dr. Woods publicly speaks out against this "revival" and that the AG starts to pull certification from their ministers who support this farce. I have spent most of my saved life (27 of 30 years) in the AG. This is breaking my heart.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 10:36:47 AM
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I spent some years in AG, too, as a matter of fact. I would also like to see Woods "go public."
I do appreciate the comments made on The Way of the Master as well.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 10:50:11 AM
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I like this short edited clip (1:55) featuring some of the things people have asked for a reference on, right from Bentley's mouth:
--an "angel" steps out of a "white lightning bolt"
--"angel"'s action on him caused to not be able to say the name of Jesus
--"white light" now comes from Todd's hands when he prays for people
--Todd is able to "release the healing angels"
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 11:12:52 AM
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The other day I was watching Charles Stanley's "In Touch" program. During the many years I have watched Stanley, he has always presented the Gospel clearly, simply, and concisely. He has consistently preached a message of repentance.
But I couldn't help but thinking that Stanley's church would be considered a dead church by Bentley and any number of Bentley's followers. Why? Well, the congregation is sitting in the pews, calmly listening to the sermon. The people aren't twitching, laughing, rolling on the floor, having to be caught by "catchers, etc. The song leader isn't doing some wacky, Grateful Dead-like dancing like the song leader in Lakeland. Stanley isn't hitting, kicking, or tackling people in order to heal them or fill them with the Holy Spirit (a feat that only God can do). Stanley's not slinging his head from side-to-side as he gives a false prophecy or tells the congregation the latest prophecy from his personal angel(s).
Yep, Charles Stanley has a dead church... 
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 11:20:07 AM
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howling wind: But I couldn't help but thinking that Stanley's church would be considered a dead church by Bentley and any number of Bentley's followers...
And that is the irony and tragedy of this movement and the times we live in.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 11:20:22 AM
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Here are some things I find interesting from the letter he wrote at his website:
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While I firmly believe that we're to defend the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I don't believe we're to defend divine manifestations of God, because they are proof within themselves of the Gospel, wherever the Word of God is sent forth. Discern yes, but defend, no.
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Emma appeared to me in angelic form appearing feminine, which is not to say Emma was female or had a gender. This was the first angel I'd ever seen in feminine-like form, in this motherly nurturing type of persona that opened up a well of healings and breakthrough.
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Spend time in His presence and you won't be as resistant to change. You won't be afraid to be a new wineskin, God's present wineskin. You won't even be the same wineskin as tomorrow, because with God wineskins are new and newer. New wineskins won't limit God or what He can do.
The whole thing is here: http://www.freshfire.ca/?Id=1059&pid=993
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 11:24:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: howling wind
The other day I was watching Charles Stanley's "In Touch" program. During the many years I have watched Stanley, he has always presented the Gospel clearly, simply, and concisely. He has consistently preached a message of repentance.
But I couldn't help but thinking that Stanley's church would be considered a dead church by Bentley and any number of Bentley's followers. Why? Well, the congregation is sitting in the pews, calmly listening to the sermon. The people aren't twitching, laughing, rolling on the floor, having to be caught by "catchers, etc. The song leader isn't doing some wacky, Grateful Dead-like dancing like the song leader in Lakeland. Stanley isn't hitting, kicking, or tackling people in order to heal them or fill them with the Holy Spirit (a feat that only God can do). Stanley's not slinging his head from side-to-side as he gives a false prophecy or tells the congregation the latest prophecy from his personal angel(s).
Yep, Charles Stanley has a dead church...
Thank God for those "dead" churches that preach the TRUTH.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 11:26:51 AM
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The other day I was watching Charles Stanley's "In Touch" program. During the many years I have watched Stanley, he has always presented the Gospel clearly, simply, and concisely. He has consistently preached a message of repentance.
But I couldn't help but thinking that Stanley's church would be considered a dead church by Bentley and any number of Bentley's followers. Why? Well, the congregation is sitting in the pews, calmly listening to the sermon. The people aren't twitching, laughing, rolling on the floor, having to be caught by "catchers, etc. The song leader isn't doing some wacky, Grateful Dead-like dancing like the song leader in Lakeland. Stanley isn't hitting, kicking, or tackling people in order to heal them or fill them with the Holy Spirit (a feat that only God can do). Stanley's not slinging his head from side-to-side as he gives a false prophecy or tells the congregation the latest prophecy from his personal angel(s).
Yep, Charles Stanley has a dead church...
Thank God for those "dead" churches that preach the TRUTH.
Amen!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/19/2008 11:27:09 AM
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From the same letter, I take issue with this:
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God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. For some reason, He's chosen a bald-headed, red-bearded, tattooed, pierced, imperfect man as an agent for revival. I understand why I would come as a shock to the religious camp.
God apparently didn't choose a red-bearded, tattooed, etc. man as an agent for revival. Just a few short years ago, Bentley wasn't bald and didn't have a visible tattoo or piercing. That's evident from video we've all looked at and in one of the videos I watched today he said he was called to ministry in 1998. All the body modification was in the recent past, and a lot of it he has, too, for such a short time period.
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Nevertheless, trust that if what I'm doing is of the flesh or of the devil, I will fail, but if what's happening is from God, nothing and no one can quench this blazing revival fire unless God wills it.
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