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Florida HealingOutpouring | Todd Bentley - 5/9/2008 2:18:11 PM
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earthless
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searcher,
You're freely choosing to not be informed then. Because the 8 pages of this thread has a lot of documentation for your own study.
But I guess it's easier to do a quick drive-by hit post that protects the false teachings and fleecing of the flock.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 2:32:56 PM
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adowell0007, You haven't seen anything yet. If you hang around here long enough you will see. If you don't fall in lock step with some of these people your an idiot. If you don't interpret the scriptures exactly the way they do, your a heretic. And what will really get you is the way they let you know. Not in a loving Christ like way. As a fellow Christian should do if he thinks your going astray ( scripturally)... But in an arrogant, " your a buffoon" way. Yea... the love of Christ really abounds here in some of these people. But don't be dishearted. There are a lot of people here who will encourage you, and when they see your going in the wrong direction they will offer you a guiding hand without being judgmental. I would offer you this same advise. If you can help someone, please do so. And if they have a different belief then you do. don't degrade them. Who knows in the end they may be right. Never assume your right just because momma took you to the first righteous church when you were growing up. I don't know this Todd Bentley, infact I have never heard of him till now. And to be honest he sounds kind of strange, but who knows. Some people get up and read the newpaper, or watch TV and spit out all kinds of opinions based solely on second hand knowledge. You will see this forum is a magnet for them. I would never offer an opinion unless I heard him either in person, or a DVD of his sermon.
What is real love? Is it turning your head when you see people heading into danger or is it speaking up and looking out for their best interest? As far as the proof, videos and real time streaming of the services have been provided so you can see for yourself.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 3:06:43 PM
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The "angels" are a _huge_ clue. There has been some discussion in these threads about Branham. His story is tragic, loaded with supernatural events and false doctrine. The same kind of thing was going on with healings being claimed and denied. From his calling by an "angel" as a voice from a tree, which frightened him, to his "miracles" accomplished with angelic help, there is a lot to question. I think an examination of Branham's and Bentley's angels is something we need to do and have already started to do in this thread.
That was exactly my thoughts as well. Having grown up in some of this stuff, but certainly not this extreme, it now amazes me how we will turn a blind eye to false doctrine, especially when "signs," are occuring.
I think that those who want to see just an outward move of God often forget that Paul says that Satan will himself appear as an angel of light.
Blind acceptance of this absolutely scares me, and grieves me deeply as well.
God has not called us to chase after signs, but to preach the gospel and make disciples of all men.
I can tell you from personal experience that once the "good feelings," leave some of these people, they will go back to the old lifestyle, of either difficulties, or searching again for the latest, "Wave of the Spirit." Time of feeling depressed may come, but what they used to feel they no longer do so they will question their walk with God.
I only say the above from personal experience, nothing more, nothing less.
There is honestly hardly any visible fruit that truly last through things like this. And any fruit that might last is only by the Sovereign Grace of God and His choosing alone. Not the works based mentality and side-show performances.
Just ask this one question, out of all those who said "sinner's prayers," at Brownsville, how many were truly converted? This is not to judge the people, but the fruit of the movement. I would dare say we'd be shocked at the percentage that truly came to faith in Christ.
The other question I have is this being endorsed by the leadership of the Brownsville Revival? I'm curious about that.
One other thing, one of his mentors, Paul Cain, where I believe I read somewhere has endorsed this revival, is known to have struggled with drunkeness and homosexuality in the past. He did take some time away from ministry after some friends of his, Jack Deere, and Rick Joyner, and a few others exposed it as it was revealed to them by the man carrying on the affair with him for a few years. Whether he has truly repented or not is in God's hands, and I do pray that he found the help needed to overcome it, but I do think that this needs to be known.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 3:16:07 PM
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What is real love? Is it turning your head when you see people heading into danger or is it speaking up and looking out for their best interest? As far as the proof, videos and real time streaming of the services have been provided so you can see for yourself.
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You ask what is real love? I agree it's not turning your head. It is speaking up. It is looking out for there best interest. I could'nt agree with you more, but... There is an arrogance that is pervasive with some in these forums. I remember the first time I visited here I observed it. I think instruction, admonition, even rebuking should be done with compassion. I think some people forget how they felt as a young convert. I think we have to be every cognizant of our conversations. As the years go by it's easy to become abrasive. It's hard to maintain that kind nature one needs when speaking to young believers. If a person is taking pleasure in the rebutal to others who are wrong "even if they are right", they do not benefit the Kingdom of God. Maybe I'm over reacting, but arrogance in a Christian is something I deplore. Back to your question "What is real love? Love is long suffering, kind, not boastful, not selfish, not irritable, not inflated, not discourteous. With strong emphasis on the latter.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 3:23:49 PM
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Let us be mindful that tone is sometimes a hard thing to properly convey on an Internet message board. But because of some, we cannot in good conscience, come against the Biblical mandate of testings all things in light of Scripture.
And let us also be mindful that Jesus, the disciples, the Apostles, etc.. had no problem being short and to the point when dealing with known false teachers, false teachings, etc..
Beliefs have consequences and error begets error. We need to remember eternal lives are at stake here.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 3:27:33 PM
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You ask what is real love? I agree it's not turning your head. It is speaking up. It is looking out for there best interest. I could'nt agree with you more, but... There is an arrogance that is pervasive with some in these forums. I remember the first time I visited here I observed it. I think instruction, admonition, even rebuking should be done with compassion. I think some people forget how they felt as a young convert. I think we have to be every cognizant of our conversations. As the years go by it's easy to become abrasive. It's hard to maintain that kind nature one needs when speaking to young believers. If a person is taking pleasure in the rebutal to others who are wrong "even if they are right", they do not benefit the Kingdom of God. Maybe I'm over reacting, but arrogance in a Christian is something I deplore. Back to your question "What is real love? Love is long suffering, kind, not boastful, not selfish, not irritable, not inflated, not discourteous. With strong emphasis on the latter.
Perhaps it's just the means of communication here. It is hard to discern the exact tone when you can't see the body language. I just know that too many people are getting sucked into this false teaching and are going to be in much worse shape in the long term. Not only that this type of false teaching has infiltrated the church and has done a lot of long term spiritual damage. These con artists go after the people who are desperate and then take advantage of them all for the sake of money and power. Too bad there weren't more of these more aggressive forums exposing the lies sooner. A lot of people have left the church because of the shenanigans of the people like Todd Bentley.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 3:29:12 PM
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Amen, Stephanie.
I personally know/knew people who have died and or committed suicide because of false teachers/false prophets. I have seen people lose their kids because of the health and wealth gospel and I have seen people lose their homes, their business, their marriages because of it as well.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 3:34:23 PM
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I have a cousin who is mentally retarded because her mother believed in this brand of faith healing. My cousin was epileptic so my aunt went to one of these services and brought her up for healing prayer then took her off all medications. My cousin wasn't healed and went into a major grand mal seizure that lasted for quite a while.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 3:42:45 PM
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God has not called us to chase after signs, but to preach the gospel and make disciples of all men.
I can tell you from personal experience that once the "good feelings," leave some of these people, they will go back to the old lifestyle, of either difficulties, or searching again for the latest, "Wave of the Spirit." Time of feeling depressed may come, but what they used to feel they no longer do so they will question their walk with God.
I only say the above from personal experience, nothing more, nothing less.
"preach the gospel and make disciples of all men."
FYI - both in Hebrew and Greek the word translated into English - disciple- is student. So to have a student you have to have a teacher that is teaching the student (one on one) about the Kingdom of G~d. And in these few scriptures about the Kingdom of many I could have put down none mention barking, mass hysteria, spirit guides named Emma or being messed with to become drunk in front of lots of people. Luke 11:16, Matt 6:32-33, Mark 1:15 and John 3:3.
I just thot of this: he reminds me of this hypnotist that comes to the State Fair every year and gets people to bark and cluck and be drunk on stage. Interesting.
And as far as the personal experience - in post #69 I told my "horror story" with someone who was "annointed".
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 3:49:58 PM
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God has not called us to chase after signs, but to preach the gospel and make disciples of all men.
I can tell you from personal experience that once the "good feelings," leave some of these people, they will go back to the old lifestyle, of either difficulties, or searching again for the latest, "Wave of the Spirit." Time of feeling depressed may come, but what they used to feel they no longer do so they will question their walk with God.
I only say the above from personal experience, nothing more, nothing less.
"preach the gospel and make disciples of all men."
FYI - both in Hebrew and Greek the word translated into English - disciple- is student. So to have a student you have to have a teacher that is teaching the student (one on one) about the Kingdom of G~d. And in these few scriptures about the Kingdom of many I could have put down none mention barking, mass hysteria, spirit guides named Emma or being messed with to become drunk in front of lots of people. Luke 11:16, Matt 6:32-33, Mark 1:15 and John 3:3.
I just thot of this: he reminds me of this hypnotist that comes to the State Fair every year and gets people to bark and cluck and be drunk on stage. Interesting.
And as far as the personal experience - in post #69 I told my "horror story" with someone who was "annointed".
I may have misunderstood the meaning of your post, but I do agree with 100 percent what you said.
I am in no way supportive of this, or other movements that produce mass hysteria, false conversions, and supposed signs.
I think that discipleship is the lost commandment that Christ gave us. We want a quick fix, not to be students of God's word or mentored by other established precious believers in the faith.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 5:03:02 PM
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First off, I know SAM FROM WASHINGTON WITH 4 GOLD TEETH. I have seen them with my own eyes. He had recently been to the dentist and was going to have some pretty extensive dental work. The gold teeth are real and not only are they real but they are solid down to the root. This according to his own dentist. And perfectly molded to the teeth above.
I really do not see why any of you are afraid of the revival in Florida other than you are scared. There are manifestations of the holy spirit that seem a little out of the box when seen from an outsider perspective or when our personal inhibitions take over.
I know I used to look at people annointed with laughter and think I know that is a real thing, but it is not for me. I am not going to be laughing lady on the front pew. But that changed a few weeks ago. I was overcome with completely uncontrolable laughter and joy that goes way beyond anything any of you have experienced. This happened after some intense prayer with a small group of individuals. If you knew me and how reserved I was you would know this was absolutley the real thing. There is no way I would have made a spectacle out of myself just because.
This is not an emotional wave people are riding. This is real. And the 1 Million dollar offering was to keep the airing going worldwide for the next 40 days. And that is only a quarter of what is needed. If you think Todd is getting wealthy off of this you have got to be kidding me.
I have not seen alot of discussion, just a lot of bashing. Try out the Holy Spirit. He will not force himself on you, you must be willing and accepting, and that is why when we pray we will often give the holy spirit freedom to work. If you all remember God gave all of us free will and we need to be open to allowing him to work in us and through us. And there may be some bending and breaking of things we used to think inportant.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 5:05:36 PM
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I think you understood my post very well. You nailed it with the last two sentences. "I think that discipleship is the lost commandment that Christ gave us. We want a quick fix, not to be students of God's word or mentored by other established precious believers in the faith. "
Does Mr Bentley begin his meetings with a time of teaching from the Word? Is he training his "disciples" in his schools to be students of the Word? From what I heard him say in his promo of his "supernatural school" which is found on his webpage, he makes it clear that it is not a Bible school but a supernatural school.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 5:27:25 PM
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First off, I know SAM FROM WASHINGTON WITH 4 GOLD TEETH. I have seen them with my own eyes. He had recently been to the dentist and was going to have some pretty extensive dental work. The gold teeth are real and not only are they real but they are solid down to the root. This according to his own dentist. And perfectly molded to the teeth above.
I really do not see why any of you are afraid of the revival in Florida other than you are scared. There are manifestations of the holy spirit that seem a little out of the box when seen from an outsider perspective or when our personal inhibitions take over.
I know I used to look at people annointed with laughter and think I know that is a real thing, but it is not for me. I am not going to be laughing lady on the front pew. But that changed a few weeks ago. I was overcome with completely uncontrolable laughter and joy that goes way beyond anything any of you have experienced. This happened after some intense prayer with a small group of individuals. If you knew me and how reserved I was you would know this was absolutley the real thing. There is no way I would have made a spectacle out of myself just because.
This is not an emotional wave people are riding. This is real. And the 1 Million dollar offering was to keep the airing going worldwide for the next 40 days. And that is only a quarter of what is needed. If you think Todd is getting wealthy off of this you have got to be kidding me.
I have not seen alot of discussion, just a lot of bashing. Try out the Holy Spirit. He will not force himself on you, you must be willing and accepting, and that is why when we pray we will often give the holy spirit freedom to work. If you all remember God gave all of us free will and we need to be open to allowing him to work in us and through us. And there may be some bending and breaking of things we used to think inportant.
Do you have pictures of his gold teeth?
As for me, it's not fear at all. I don't need to try out the Holy Spirit. He's not a toy to play with.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 5:32:54 PM
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really do not see why any of you are afraid of the revival in Florida other than you are scared.
Yes I am scared. I am scared that we are getting away from the Word of G~d and into realms of the forbidden. I am scared that the Body of Messiah is being lulled into idol worship and false gods and forgetting the Holy One.
I have bad teeth and would love to have some gold ones to replace the old. And then I could have them pulled to cash in so I could go to Tel Aviv and help my friend Yehudit be able to rent an apartment and have food to eat. I could use it to help the 200 that come every week for the soup kitchen so they could have one good hot meal a week and maybe a place to live instead of under the tree with a cardboard mat for a bed.
Why do those from "rich" countries feel they deserve gold teeth and evenings to writhe on the ground under the spell of a spirit when the Believers in other countries are dying because they have a page of the Bible in their possession, or getting blown up because they believe in Yeshua?
"I was overcome with completely uncontrolable laughter and joy that goes way beyond anything any of you have experienced."
Darlin' you have no idea of the experiences we who have posted have experienced. I have not so far had uncontrolable laughter but I have had joy unspeakable and full of glory. And that joy has taken me through some tragic moments and times of serious illness not just a few moments in a prayer meeting.
Yes you have gotten my feathers ruffled. It does not seem to matter to you that this man speaks of spirit guides named Emma and other angels who tell him things.
"Try out the Holy Spirit. He will not force himself on you, you must be willing and accepting, and that is why when we pray we will often give the holy spirit freedom to work."
1Co 14:29 And if there are two or three prophets, let them speak, and let the others judge. 1Co 14:30 If a revelation is revealed to another sitting by, let the first be silent.
1Co 14:31 For you may all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be comforted.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
This is the freedom I prefer!
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 6:05:20 PM
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First off, I know SAM FROM WASHINGTON WITH 4 GOLD TEETH. I have seen them with my own eyes. He had recently been to the dentist and was going to have some pretty extensive dental work. The gold teeth are real and not only are they real but they are solid down to the root. This according to his own dentist. And perfectly molded to the teeth above.
I really do not see why any of you are afraid of the revival in Florida other than you are scared. There are manifestations of the holy spirit that seem a little out of the box when seen from an outsider perspective or when our personal inhibitions take over.
I know I used to look at people annointed with laughter and think I know that is a real thing, but it is not for me. I am not going to be laughing lady on the front pew. But that changed a few weeks ago. I was overcome with completely uncontrolable laughter and joy that goes way beyond anything any of you have experienced. This happened after some intense prayer with a small group of individuals. If you knew me and how reserved I was you would know this was absolutley the real thing. There is no way I would have made a spectacle out of myself just because.
This is not an emotional wave people are riding. This is real. And the 1 Million dollar offering was to keep the airing going worldwide for the next 40 days. And that is only a quarter of what is needed. If you think Todd is getting wealthy off of this you have got to be kidding me.
I have not seen alot of discussion, just a lot of bashing. Try out the Holy Spirit. He will not force himself on you, you must be willing and accepting, and that is why when we pray we will often give the holy spirit freedom to work. If you all remember God gave all of us free will and we need to be open to allowing him to work in us and through us. And there may be some bending and breaking of things we used to think inportant.
Do you have pictures of his gold teeth?
As for me, it's not fear at all. I don't need to try out the Holy Spirit. He's not a toy to play with.
You assume that none of us has had these experiences. I've had in the past. I was at one time Word of Faith in doctrine.
Though I never visited Brownsville A/G, I was at two of their meetings both in Dallas, one being the Awake America where they recorded an album.
I cannot, nor will not speak for anyone, but myself. I desperately wanted a touch of God, and both services I feel. But I'm honest about and have repented of it now. It was totally a fleshly experience. I wanted to feel spiritual just like everyone else. It is a very subjective experience, and in my view not even close to being biblical.
There is one thing however that is not subjective, and that is the Word of God preached in context, focusing on Christ and Him crucified and resurrected, not some new added revelation that we are just suppose to accept because signs and wonders are occuring.
Jesus said it well.
Matthew 12:39 NASB, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet."
We have received a sign concerning truth, it is Christ crucified, and resurrected, not gold teeth, not angel feathers, not gold dust or jewels, or some generic prophesies that are not specific in nature.
I choose to focus on the sign of Christ and Him crucified and resurrected, not these other things that are occurring all in the name of our precious Lord.
I'm afraid too, not for myself, to some experience, but to all those being led astray into error.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 6:12:27 PM
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I'm getting a little sick and tired of the 'accept everything crowd' saying we are bashing and criticizing like we hate the man. Nothing could be further from the truth. And no matter how many times we say we aren't doing it out of spite, someone else comes on and accuses us. And the fact that we are 'persecuting' them doesn't mean it's genuine. That's the Paul and Jan defense. Hey, playing the martyr sounds fun, let me try it for awhile. I notice 'acceptance' and 'free will' being bandied about and no 'discernment'. Just an observation.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 6:21:55 PM
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I'm not doubting if people have had those experiences. I've seen the videos and attended a couple of WOF services to know what is there. If this person had his teeth turned to gold, in this day and age of digital camera phones there should be no problem in getting some documented proof. I don't personally believe this movement is of the Holy Spirit. I'm sure it's spiritual though KWIM? I've seen people caught up in this and when their world crashed they did to. I just think it is sad how these shysters have hoodwinked so many people all to get them to let go of their money. These leaders are master manipulators and they know how to work up a crowd and make them want to experience what they have.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 6:39:33 PM
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And let us also be mindful that Jesus, the disciples, the Apostles, etc.. had no problem being short and to the point when dealing with known false teachers, false teachings, etc..
Perhaps it's just the means of communication here. It is hard to discern the exact tone when you can't see the body language. I just know that too many people are getting sucked into this false teaching and are going to be in much worse shape in the long term. Not only that this type of false teaching has infiltrated the church and has done a lot of long term spiritual damage. These con artists go after the people who are desperate and then take advantage of them all for the sake of money and power.
Sometimes though it's hard to discern if the wolves or the sheep are being rebuked. That is what I believe Searcher is trying to say.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 6:40:46 PM
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These leaders are master manipulators and they know how to work up a crowd and make them want to experience what they have.
In the grand scheme of eternity Steph what they have will be rotted in a mere blip.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 8:56:05 PM
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I can tell you from personal experience that once the "good feelings," leave some of these people, they will go back to the old lifestyle, of either difficulties, or searching again for the latest, "Wave of the Spirit." Time of feeling depressed may come, but what they used to feel they no longer do so they will question their walk with God.
I only say the above from personal experience, nothing more, nothing less.
I have been there too. When faith is based on pure emotion or baseless teaching/doctrine, reality and life have a way of catching up and you're left empty handed.
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really do not see why any of you are afraid of the revival in Florida other than you are scared.
Yes I am scared. I am scared that we are getting away from the Word of G~d and into realms of the forbidden. I am scared that the Body of Messiah is being lulled into idol worship and false gods and forgetting the Holy One.
You're completely right. I don't think anyone here is really questioning whether it's real, just whether it's right. If we didn't think it was for real, it probably wouldn't be so disturbing.
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Sometimes though it's hard to discern if the wolves or the sheep are being rebuked. That is what I believe Searcher is trying to say.
I'm not sure it matters all that much, frankly. To be perfectly honest, the sheep following these wolves may need a little rebuking.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/9/2008 9:19:59 PM
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These leaders are master manipulators and they know how to work up a crowd and make them want to experience what they have.
In the grand scheme of eternity Steph what they have will be rotted in a mere blip.
That is true but shouldn't we be sure to tell the truth so that others and even they may find the truth?
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- this is very concerning indeed!
