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gmc4Jesus -> Be Holy? (5/3/2008 1:45:39 AM)
Being Holy is defined in Scripture as a saint, one who is set apart, sanctified. If we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we are holy, saints, set apart, sanctified. The Bible tells us that when we became Christians, God declared us Holy by what Jesus did on the cross. I Colossians 1:19-23a says: 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Colossians 1:21-23 reminds us that: 21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. Because of who we are as Christians, God has declared us holy. II Peter 2:9-10 says: 9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Likewise, in I Peter 1:15-16 Peter writes: 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” Also, I Thessalonians 4:7 states: 7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. What does it mean to you to be holy, set apart, sanctified, special? How do you live that holy life?

rcjames -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 8:39:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gmc4Jesus What does it mean to you to be holy, set apart, sanctified, special? (Rom 12:1-2) I beseech you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is that good and pleasing and perfect will of God. quote: How do you live that holy life? By the Grace of God, the Sacriice of Jesus Christ, the mininstry of the Holy Spirit, and believing the promises of God, as in; (1Co 10:13) No temptation has taken you but what is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but with the temptation also will make a way to escape, so that you may be able to bear it. To be a Christian one must be obedient to the New Testament; (Luk 6:46) And why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and do not do what I say? One of the things we are instructed to do is; (2Co 6:17) Therefore come out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you Another is; (1Co 5:11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. Holiness and sin can have no part with each other as John says; (1Jn 3:5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. (1Jn 3:6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (1Jn 3:7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. (1Jn 3:8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (1Jn 3:9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1Jn 3:10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1Jn 3:11) For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Thanks RC

URForgiven -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 9:18:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gmc4Jesus What does it mean to you to be holy, set apart, sanctified, special? How do you live that holy life? We, as Christians, do not live the Holy life. There is only One who is Holy, and because He indwells us we share in His Holiness. It is Christ who lives the Holy life in and through us, as we abide in Him, and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us.

rcjames -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 1:49:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: URForgiven quote: ORIGINAL: gmc4Jesus What does it mean to you to be holy, set apart, sanctified, special? How do you live that holy life? We, as Christians, do not live the Holy life. There is only One who is Holy, and because He indwells us we share in His Holiness. It is Christ who lives the Holy life in and through us, as we abide in Him, and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us. So are you saying that it matters not what a Christians does with or in thier life that God always sees them as Holy and acceptable? Thanks RC

URForgiven -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 2:17:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: URForgiven quote: ORIGINAL: gmc4Jesus What does it mean to you to be holy, set apart, sanctified, special? How do you live that holy life? We, as Christians, do not live the Holy life. There is only One who is Holy, and because He indwells us we share in His Holiness. It is Christ who lives the Holy life in and through us, as we abide in Him, and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us. So are you saying that it matters not what a Christians does with or in thier life that God always sees them as Holy and acceptable? Thanks RC What matters in a Christians life are those things that the Holy One accomplishes through them as they depend on the One who is Holy...Jesus Christ.

rcjames -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 2:29:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: URForgiven What matters in a Christians life are those things that the Holy One accomplishes through them as they depend on the One who is Holy...Jesus Christ. Let me be sure of you postiton; A christian can sin, kill, commit adultery, disavow the God, etc. and if they are a Christian it matter not to God? Is that what you are saying, if not they what are you saying? Thsnks RC

URForgiven -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 2:32:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: URForgiven What matters in a Christians life are those things that the Holy One accomplishes through them as they depend on the One who is Holy...Jesus Christ. Let me be sure of you postiton; A christian can sin, kill, commit adultery, disavow the God, etc. and if they are a Christian it matter not to God? Is that what you are saying, if not they what are you saying? Thsnks RC No. That is what you are saying. What I am saying is what I said.

rcjames -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 3:11:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: URForgiven No. That is what you are saying. What I am saying is what I said. NIce little dodge, but the OP question was quote: How do you live that holy life? 'So how does he/she live that Holy life? THanks RC

URForgiven -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 3:30:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: URForgiven No. That is what you are saying. What I am saying is what I said. NIce little dodge, but the OP question was quote: How do you live that holy life? 'So how does he/she live that Holy life? THanks RC I have already answered that question. If you cannot see it, then I can only conclude that you see only what you want to see, in spite of what is written. I am still praying for you, my friend. [:D] Peace

rcjames -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 3:56:50 PM)
quote: gmc4Jesus I do apoplogize for the evasivieness of URForginen.. Paul speaks of dying to one's self, fighting the flesh, recogonizing and refusing to fellowship with evil does;; he speaks of wrestling with temptation, and giving up all to serve God. I would say it would do you well to read the Epistles starting with 1st Corinthians and continue through Jude to find the true pathe to Holiness thourgh our Lord and Saviour Jesus. The Holy Spirit guides us, but we have to make the decision to follow; there is nothing automatic about it. I encourage you to read the 3rd Chapter of First John for God's view of living as URForginen and others would suggest. THanks RC

sunofone -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 5:26:26 PM)
No disrespect intended to you Pastor James,but URF I would suggest you simply move on from this discourse with RC.Your position was plainly stated and he has chosen to disagree with it,which is his right. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.

Dennis2 -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 6:13:46 PM)
Amen URForgiven, Holy and sanctified have similar meanings. A holy or sanctified dish was set apart to be used for kosher meals. When God makes us holy we are set apart to be used by God as in: Romans 12:1 ¶ Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God— this is your spiritual act of worship.2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is— his good, pleasing and perfect will. That can only occur if one is born again or have Christ in you as in: Colossians 1:27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Adam was created alive to God. That spiritual life was lost in Adam. Sin caused that spiritual death and all have died. Christ's sacrifice took away the worlds sins. His resurrection is the means by which He can restore in us what was lost in Adam when we come to Him by faith. Once we have His resurrected life there is no sin that can cause that life to depart because the sin issue had been dealt with once and for all. We are set apart eternally. Hebrews 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. quote: ORIGINAL: gmc4Jesus What does it mean to you to be holy, set apart, sanctified, special? How do you live that holy life? We, as Christians, do not live the Holy life. There is only One who is Holy, and because He indwells us we share in His Holiness. It is Christ who lives the Holy life in and through us, as we abide in Him, and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us. So are you saying that it matters not what a Christians does with or in thier life that God always sees them as Holy and acceptable? Thanks RC What matters in a Christians life are those things that the Holy One accomplishes through them as they depend on the One who is Holy...Jesus Christ.

rcjames -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 7:16:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis2 What matters in a Christians life are those things that the Holy One accomplishes through them as they depend on the One who is Holy...Jesus Christ. Possibly our differences are a matter of semantics. I am saying the the Christian has the free will to choose to sin or not sin, and they had best be choosing to not sin. (1Co 10:13) There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. Here the Word plainly says that is is God that provides the Christian the way of escape, but the Christian has the choice to take the way of escape or to deny the Sacrifice of Christ and to sin. If they choose to willingly sin then that is a whole different ball game; (Heb 10:26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Heb 10:27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Sin is a terrible choice for a Christian to make, and can put one at great risk in their relationship with Christ. If one continues in sin after they think they are saved, it is most likely indicitave of not being saved at all; and that is not a good situation either; (Mat 7:20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Mat 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Mat 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (Mat 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. So yes, to answer the OP, live a holy life, reject the opportunity to sin, do not succomb to the flesh, but follow the Holy Spirit and avoid condemnation; (Rom 8:1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Thanks RC

drmark -> RE: Be Holy? (5/3/2008 10:00:24 PM)
quote: The Bible tells us that when we became Christians, God declared us Holy by what Jesus did on the cross. The Bible also tells us in Ezek 20:12, Rom 5:19, Hebr 2:11, 10:14, 12:23 and 2 Tim 2:21 that God can make all of us holy and righteous, by His grace and power! The command is "BE HOLY" - not look holy, pretend to be holy, hide behind holy robes of Christ, hope that God will see you as holy even when you're not, etc. By the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit, I am holy and living a holy life for Christ's glory.

gmc4Jesus -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 12:21:15 AM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis2 quote: ORIGINAL: gmc4Jesus What does it mean to you to be holy, set apart, sanctified, special? How do you live that holy life? We, as Christians, do not live the Holy life. There is only One who is Holy, and because He indwells us we share in His Holiness. It is Christ who lives the Holy life in and through us, as we abide in Him, and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us. So are you saying that it matters not what a Christians does with or in thier life that God always sees them as Holy and acceptable? Thanks RC What matters in a Christians life are those things that the Holy One accomplishes through them as they depend on the One who is Holy...Jesus Christ. There have been some excellent verses given to establish that our holiness is a gift from God. At the same time, we also see Scriptures above that establish that we have a responsibility to walk in that holiness by how we live our lives. Holiness, sanctification is not we can earn or diserve, but as you can not be a police officer if you won't wear the uniform and uphold the law, you will not remain in God's grace if you do not reject sin in your life and at least make a sincer attempt to uphold the life worthy of the name Christian. Unfortunately, you and I know way too many Christians who are a long way from mature in refraining from sin and living holy lives. That is a process that takes time to grow in and is never perfect or complete until we leave this earth. Fortunately, God's grace covers our sin if we are truly seeking to love, honor and obey Him. God sees us believers as holy, saints unless or until we totally reject Him, His salvation through Jesus and return to the life of sin that entrapped us before we ever became believers.

GraceBro -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 2:12:53 AM)
Being holy means to be who you are! I don't "live a holy life" I am holy already because of my faith in Christ and now I allow Christ to live His life through me. "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight." Ephesians 1:3-4 "But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—" Colossians 1:22 "...to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me." Acts 26:18 "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:11 A believer is holy and sanctified (set apart) because of our faith in Jesus Christ. The Christian lives a life of dependency, on the Holy Spirit, not in obedience to rules and laws designed to modify behavior. God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing so we would rest from our self-righteous acts of trying to obtain our right standing before Him by our own deeds. God desired to have a relationship with us. Therefore, He gave us everything we need, through Jesus Christ, so we would not seek, that which we already have in Him, by engaging in sin. A Christian is holy and sanctified because of their faith in Christ. Grace and Peace

drmark -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 7:20:31 AM)
quote: The Christian lives a life of dependency, on the Holy Spirit, not in obedience to rules and laws designed to modify behavior. Do you consider the Two Greatest Commands as discussed by Jesus in Matt 22 and Mark 12 to be "rules and laws designed to modify behavior"?

URForgiven -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 8:11:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis2 What matters in a Christians life are those things that the Holy One accomplishes through them as they depend on the One who is Holy...Jesus Christ. I am saying the the Christian has the free will to choose to sin or not sin, and they had best be choosing to not sin. RC, the choice is not to sin or not to sin. The choice is to depend upon Jesus Christ or not. It was God's will to give man free will, so that we would use that free will to choose His will. When we are depending on Jesus, we will not sin. When we are depending on ourselves, we have no choice but to sin. Peace

rcjames -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 9:09:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: URForgiven quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis2 What matters in a Christians life are those things that the Holy One accomplishes through them as they depend on the One who is Holy...Jesus Christ. I am saying the the Christian has the free will to choose to sin or not sin, and they had best be choosing to not sin. RC, the choice is not to sin or not to sin. The choice is to depend upon Jesus Christ or not. It was God's will to give man free will, so that we would use that free will to choose His will. When we are depending on Jesus, we will not sin. When we are depending on ourselves, we have no choice but to sin. Peace I agree in that it is our choice to ultimately sin or not, by choosing to depend on Christ or not. When a person decides to not follow Christ and chooses instead to follow ourselves (the flesh), what, in your opinion, does that do to our relationship with Christ? Thanks RC

GraceBro -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 10:04:31 AM)
Hi drmark. We can't love God with all our heart or love our neighbor as ourself apart from understanding how much God has loved us first and letting Him live through us. Otherwise, we are left to determine, on our own, what entails living out these commandments. And that opens the door for religion and legalism to enter the equation. Because the obvious question becomes, "How do I love God and my neighbor?" You see love is a fruit of the Spirit, not our fruit. We bear the fruit of God, we don't produce it. And when we are trusting in the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide us we won't be violating our neighbor, which is loving our neighbor, and we will be loving God, because we realize, apart from Him we can do nothing; dependency. Grace and Peace

CropDuster -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 10:30:37 AM)
"Being Holy is defined in Scripture as a saint, one who is set apart, sanctified. If we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we are holy, saints, set apart, sanctified." I disagree. It's not good enough to simply say, "I'm saved, therefore I have nothing to worry about or strive for, spiritually speaking." One can sin on a daily basis, and one doesn't know if one's is 'saved' until Judgment Day. As long as one lives, sin is a possibility, and potential saboteur of one's salvation. Paul devised the theological concept of God as courtroom judge who can issue lasting decrees, including a permanent writ of salvation. The Church sought to pre-empt the rise of 'saved-by-faith-alone' extremism by including the Book of James in the New Testament. Nonetheless, it prevailed, thanks in large part to Martin Luther, and continues to plague Christianity today.

rcjames -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 10:53:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GraceBro A believer is holy and sanctified (set apart) because of our faith in Jesus Christ. The Christian lives a life of dependency, on the Holy Spirit, not in obedience to rules and laws designed to modify behavior. God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing so we would rest from our self-righteous acts of trying to obtain our right standing before Him by our own deeds. God desired to have a relationship with us. Therefore, He gave us everything we need, through Jesus Christ, so we would not seek, that which we already have in Him, by engaging in sin. A Christian is holy and sanctified because of their faith in Christ. So are you saying that in your opinion a person who is a Christian cannot sin; either in deed or in postion? Thanks RC

GraceBro -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 11:07:02 AM)
Salvation by "faith alone" is not something that is "plaguing" Christianity. It is Christianity. Religion is what is plaguing Christianity. By that I mean man's best attempt to reach up to God in self-effort. If it isn't by faith, in Jesus Christ, alone, then what is by? As I said earlier, when we don't trust in, and depend on, Jesus for our holiness, our sanctification and, ultimately, our salvation, then we must trust in ourselves. And that means we have to create a system by which to make ourselves holy and to save ourselves. And subsequently, we have to also create a system of rewards and penalties based on our obedience to that system. 38,000 Christian denominations later, we are still trying to figure out what can only be received by faith in Christ. We are holy, we are sanctified, we have eternal life, all because of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. No manmade church, regardless of how old it is, regardless of how many millions have put faith in that church, and not in Christ, it is still error. "...because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." Hebrews 10:14 "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." 1 John 5:13 Grace and Peace

GraceBro -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 11:11:25 AM)
Christians do sin. But, we are seen as sinless in God's eyes because of Christ's finished work on the Cross. We will never see a total end to sin in our lives until we die. But, as we learn to trust God, and believe all we have been given from Him we will see a diminishing of the sin in our life. That is all I am saying. I don't want to get into the whole "license to sin" argument because that is not what I am saying. We are holy and blameless in God's eyes because of Christ's work on our behalf. And He is faithful, not us. That is the good news of the Gospel. We have to see ourselves from God's vantage point in order to understand our position. Grace and Peace.

Papa-san -> RE: Be Holy? (5/4/2008 11:58:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CropDuster Nonetheless, it prevailed, thanks in large part to Martin Luther, and continues to plague Christianity today. Unfortunately one of the most destructive plagues upon Christianity is the RCC. More doctrines that require works to be saved have been created by them than anyone else. We cannot even be a part of this equation, as only a priest can go to Christ with our sins... We are not 'holy' enough to go to Him ourselves, so the priest takes our confession, and then in his 'increased level of holiness', he then goes to God. I wonder how many people confessed to the child-molesters... What happens to all those confessions? Obviously the priest wasn't very 'holy'. We know for sure that they didn't get caught with their pants down on day one of their 'dalliances'. Some of them had their 'little secrets' for decades. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of confessions were made to practicing pedophiles. What happens to all those confessions? Obviously a flawed system. Certainly nothing Christ would have instituted... Which leads us to the discussion at hand... None of us are perfect. If any claims to be without sin, he/she is a liar. This is why the blood of Christ covers all who call upon Him. Some of us come from a life that was so totally depraved and evil, that after ten years of the work of the Holy Spirit, we are still struggling with certain sins that had become a big part of our daily lives. Does this mean that we are not covered with His blood? RC would have us believe so. Fortunately the God of Grace has a plan of salvation for all who call upon Him. Being that He is such an awesomely great and powerful God, He has the power to actually 'customize' His work in every single believer in a one-on-one situation. I cannot count the years I struggled with the distinct possibility that I must not be saved because of the things I was doing and thinking every day. Go figure... That stress made me fall deeply into some of my worst sins very frequently. So now, how do I know that the Holy Spirit is working in me? By my fruit! Am I completely free of the bondage of alcohol? No, I am not. But the Spirit helps me to live weeks and months at a time without being drunk from 8 AM until whenever I passed out! Believe it or not, that IS proof of His work within me. (For seven years, the guilt that I must not really be saved because I would still drink every once in a while drove me to go on benders for weeks and months.) You go tell a fish that he cannot have water ever again, and you will understand what happens when you tell a true alkie he cannot drink ever again... My brain sends me the same signals telling me it needs alcohol that your brain sends telling you that you need air... Once you have overcome your need, come talk to me. The brain signals and chemicals are IDENTICAL. By definition, if I had any control in the matter, I wouldn't be an alcoholic. Once I came to see the truth that every time I picked up a drink didn't prove I was unsaved, I was suddenly drinking in a different manner. Now, when the brain signals get to be too much (after a few weeks or months) I willingly allow myself to have a couple. This is done prayerfully and results in a taming of the beast so that I can live comfortably without it for another extended period. I don't try to hide it shamefully, so the Spirit doesn't have to be forced to 'shut up' anymore. You cannot imagine the relief this has brought, nor the exponential increase in my usefulness to the Kingdom! Basically, as soon as I grew spiritually beyond the infantile mentality of "100% one way or 100% the other is all there is!", I became able to function in society and be useful to God. Go figure! Every single person's relationship with Jesus is 100% customized by Him! That's because it IS a relationship, not a set of rules... The sooner we figure this out, the sooner we can become fully useful to Him. Until then, we limit our usefulness as far as our prejudices limit His working within us. This is why I am so 'un-useful' in dealing with Catholics. I am prejudiced against their false practices, beliefs, and heirarchy. However, His Spirit continues to work within me, and I have begun to see that their blindness is really no different than mine was as a drunk... In summation, I believe that the reason we are told not to judge unrighteously is because when we do so, we limit His potential to work through us. When someone sees me after a couple of drinks, they can either judge me as being unsaved, or they can realize that at least that on that day, the love of Christ and the Spirit of God have kept me from using six different drugs, stealing thousands of dollars, and sleeping with four different women... Be careful whom you accuse of not being saved... You might just have to answer for that before the Throne... You just worry about how Holy you are, Me and Jesus will take care of my Holiness! Enjoy your day!

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