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Giulia -> Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 7:22:27 AM)

1. Why do you think God wanted to us to worship in the new moon initially (before they started mocking it with their actions)?

2. Can you draw any truth from science like the dust coming from the moon and influencing us in some way?

Guess that may say something in itself as if the moon has any influence over our total surrender to Him????? It doesn't when we are totally in His Presence, but when not, when more in our selves then I wonder if it does not have effect?????

hmmmm, not sure, any thoughts?

I mean the bible does talk about putting the moon under the woman's feet in Revelation, so that in itself speaks for victory over the moon's foces, also implies the moon is not initially under her feet. One of the effects could include the woman's monthly, though that doesn't happen for some time but I think it's still more than that. The blood of the ancestors under her feet, not sure, just thinking out loud, I stand corrected if the case is otherwise, God reveals it all in the end.


Mod note, Before anyone choses to respond they might want to read the entire thread or at least the follow up post HERE that explains what Giulia meant.



Pidge -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 7:44:51 AM)

Ah, Giulia, you were born with a wooden spoon in your mouth and I love your style but stir all you might I don't see any more evidence for the worship of the new moon than for the worship of the Sabbath, it is surely just a time to do certain things so they are performed monthly.
(Unless you can prove otherwise)



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 11:14:46 AM)

Confused. Where does the Bible say to worship the Sabbath and the New Moon?



Kath -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 1:37:47 PM)

I too, confess to being confused. Where did you get this idea Giulia?



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 6:44:56 PM)

I could be wrong, but I think Giulia's question is about worshiping G-d on the day of the New Moon, while Pidge is the one who mentioned worshiping the New Moon and denies worship on Sabbath.

But moon dust? I thought that was just in Walt Disney (and I am not being fascetious -- I am asking).

????



colliefan -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 8:04:14 PM)

Isa 66:23 (ESV) 23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.

????



Kath -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 10:56:47 PM)

I did find some references to New Moon Festivals in Numbers but the sacrifices were still a burnt offering to the Lord, not to the Moon.



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 11:00:09 PM)

the moon is a calendar. it's not mysterious.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/3/2008 11:07:16 PM)

Okay, with regard to worship G-d on the New Moon, that happens to be Monday/Tuesday here. We (my community) do worship the L-rd in a special way on the New Moon, but not with sacrifice, since there is no Temple. We simply say some special prayers in observance, and we often eat together afterward, then schmooze for awhile. That's it.

We do not worship the moon -- that would be foolish. We worship G-d. We do not hold the moon as magical. This is simply for the worship of G-d, recognition of Him as Creator of the ourselves, the world, of the times that bring about growth and rest from growth, and of the week.



Giulia -> RE: Why do you think God wanted us to worship Him at the new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 2:53:35 PM)

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I did find some references to New Moon Festivals in Numbers but the sacrifices were still a burnt offering to the Lord


Sorry didn't explain it properly and I can see how you got that from my title. I mean moon worship, meaNT WORSHIPPING IN THE NEW MOON FESTIVALS. There were (God) worship sessions that happened in the new moon, that is what I meant.

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Okay, with regard to worship G-d on the New Moon, that happens to be Monday/Tuesday here. We (my community) do worship the L-rd in a special way on the New Moon, but not with sacrifice, since there is no Temple. We simply say some special prayers in observance, and we often eat together afterward, then schmooze for awhile. That's it.


That is what I am wondering, we know that after a while that became an abomination because the people's heart's weren't right, but specifically people were to worship God at the new moon and I am wondering why that was special and a requirement?

It is obvious it has a special significance, just like the way the Holy place and Holy of Holies was set up to the requirement so this was a requirement, do you think the people's prayers were more pure then?

We know the moon affects monthly cycles and has effects on bodies of water, would this have been a hindarance to the people when they sought God?

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I did find some references to New Moon Festivals in Numbers but the sacrifices were still a burnt offering to the Lord, not to the Moon.


Never even implied anything of the sort, not sure where you got sacrifices from?

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But moon dust? I thought that was just in Walt Disney (and I am not being fascetious -- I am asking).


Welllllll,I do like Disney film[:D], but was watching this science program about this haze or particles the moon rays give out to the earth and thought that perhaps there was something unclean in that. Perhaps this question is a little advanced for this forum though........it is obvious I have been misunderstood and misquoted.



Ezra -> RE: Why do you think God wanted us to worship Him at the new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 3:24:32 PM)

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Why do you think God wanted to us to worship in the new moon initially


New moons were not for Christian worship, but for sacrifices under the Old Covenant. God had ordained daily, monthly, and yearly sacrifices, and the new moon signified the beginning of a new month. The Hebrews reckoned their sacrificial calendar on the basis of the appearance of the new moon, thus we read:

"Then Solomon offered burnt-offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch, even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, AND ON THE NEW MOONS, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles" (2 Chron. 8:12,13).

As for Christians today, all these must be regarded as "shadows of things to come" for the present reality of the New Covenant. Therefore Paul instructs Christians in Colossians 2:16,17 to not allow others to judge them in the observance of meats, drinks, holy days, new moons, and sabbaths. All these belong to the Old Covenant, which is now obsolete.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Why do you think God wanted us to worship Him at the new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 4:23:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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Okay, with regard to worship G-d on the New Moon, that happens to be Monday/Tuesday here. We (my community) do worship the L-rd in a special way on the New Moon, but not with sacrifice, since there is no Temple. We simply say some special prayers in observance, and we often eat together afterward, then schmooze for awhile. That's it.


That is what I am wondering, we know that after a while that became an abomination because the people's heart's weren't right, but specifically people were to worship God at the new moon and I am wondering why that was special and a requirement?

It is obvious it has a special significance, just like the way the Holy place and Holy of Holies was set up to the requirement so this was a requirement, do you think the people's prayers were more pure then?

We know the moon affects monthly cycles and has effects on bodies of water, would this have been a hindarance to the people when they sought God?

As I wrote above,
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ORIGINAL: Abiyah
This is simply for the worship of G-d, recognition of Him as Creator of the ourselves, the world, of the times that bring about growth and rest from growth, and of the week.


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ORIGINAL: Abiyah
But moon dust? I thought that was just in Walt Disney (and I am not being fascetious -- I am asking).


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ORIGINAL: Giulia
Welllllll,I do like Disney film[:D], but was watching this science program about this haze or particles the moon rays give out to the earth and thought that perhaps there was something unclean in that. Perhaps this question is a little advanced for this forum though........it is obvious I have been misunderstood and misquoted.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Yeah, I like the science channels, too, but they certainly do not make complete studies, do they. And often, when they try to teach about the Bible, they are so far off that the children at my place of worship could correct them, using Scripture. Since they are that far off with regard to the Bible, I would not trust them regarding science either without secondary proofs.



Kath -> RE: Why do you think God wanted us to worship Him at the new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 6:01:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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I did find some references to New Moon Festivals in Numbers but the sacrifices were still a burnt offering to the Lord, not to the Moon.

Never even implied anything of the sort, not sure where you got sacrifices from?


I didn't mean to imply you did, I was just throwing out what I thought was an interesting factoid.



colliefan -> RE: Why do you think God wanted us to worship Him at the new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 7:35:32 PM)

As to the reason the new moon festivals were established was to have a regular, systematic, reminder that he is sovereign.


Lam 3:19 - 26 (ESV) 19 Remember my affliction and my wanderings, the wormwood and the gall! 20 My soul continually remembers it and is bowed down within me. 21 But this I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: 22 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;£ his mercies never come to an end; 23 they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. 24 “The Lord is my portion,” says my soul, “therefore I will hope in him.” 25 The Lord is good to those who wait for him, to the soul who seeks him. 26 It is good that one should wait quietly for the salvation of the Lord.



crh737 -> RE: Why do you think God wanted us to worship Him at the new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 7:39:58 PM)

to my understanding, the new moon represents the new church. Don't quote or believe this is my belief, but was told it reprents the bride of Christ
Crh



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Why do you think God wanted us to worship Him at the new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 7:55:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crh737
to my understanding, the new moon represents the new church. Don't quote or believe this is my belief, but was told it reprents the bride of Christ
Crh

I'm sorry, but this is simply incorrect. I am glad you didn't fall for that. The Bible isn't about any new church, even though a lot lf teachers would like us all to think that. The bride of our Savior includes all believers from Abel on and is not exclusive to those born after the death of Messiah.



jn1010lf -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 8:09:51 PM)

Hello Giulia

If your would care to show any scripture that supports your question, I'd be glad to address it. Sounds pretty cooky and far out to me.



Kath -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 8:50:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jn1010lf

Hello Giulia

If your would care to show any scripture that supports your question, I'd be glad to address it. Sounds pretty cooky and far out to me.



She explained it here, did you miss it? It is neither 'cooky' or far out.



Giulia -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 8:53:36 PM)

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Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Yeah, I like the science channels, too, but they certainly do not make complete studies, do they. And often, when they try to teach about the Bible, they are so far off that the children at my place of worship could correct them, using Scripture. Since they are that far off with regard to the Bible, I would not trust them regarding science either without secondary proofs.


This was a Christian one and I don't have enough undertsnading of the technical terms though I see it in pictures. He was saying that the "lesser light" God made has more effect on the human than we originally suspected, he spoke of the regolith and the rock he had on display (a section from the moon) looks like it is glowing material.

I should've said that this question is a little too advanced for people in general, it is. When it is a full moon there is a film of something which comes from the glow, this effects earth's atmospere and also would affect us in some way. Essentially I was wondering whether it would effect our psych in some way that we are hindered to be fully pleasing to God as we ought to be.

Appreciate the bibical explanations above but it's not quite what my question is. Perhaps I am not explaining properly or perhaps it is a deep question which only a Christian scientist could begin to eXplain.

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Hello Giulia

If your would care to show any scripture that supports your question, I'd be glad to address it. Sounds pretty cooky and far out to me.


Scripture does not pose this question, I am posing the question as I guess many others would have before me, scripture was made for me not the other way around. I am wondering about this particular activity about the universe God has given us and I know that He has done everything for a reason so I am looking for the reason.

It may be as simple as the calendar explanation, then there is unaswered questions which are supported by facts:

1. It is a fact we have more activity which leads to prison & psych wards when it is a full moon, lunacy comes from luna which means moon [a term used to describe madness].

2. It is a fact there is a lunar cycle by which a woman's menstruation is governed or influenced by.

3. The tides have altered activity when the moon is out.

Those are three facts which basically confirm to me that the moon has influence, what if that influence was larger and it was God's reasoning to have these new moon days of worship and prayer because it was more pleasing to Him?

I realise we are in a different dispensation, still I would like to know if there is a connection I now don't fully understand.



oldmethuselah -> The MOONIES are back! (5/4/2008 9:02:41 PM)

Guila.. the original MOONIE? [:D]



good to see you haven't lost your ability to stir the pot...

btw what does "born with a wooden spoon in your mouth" mean?

I'd always thought it was "born with a SILVER spoon in your mouth" meaning, among other things, naturally lucky, or privileged.. any takers?



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 9:06:12 PM)

Giulia, my husband brought home a CD on the creation, done by believers, and after watching it for about 15 minutes, I had had enough of it. I think it is wonderful that they are trying to explain the Creation, but they needed to expand their horizons a lot more before presenting it as a scientific CD, even though they had certainly done some research.

I have also watching things on the Bible by people claiming to believers, and they were just as far off as what I wrote on this thread. I am certainly not perfect -- far from it -- and I am certainly not a Bible-teacher anymore. But I guess I just get too critical -- maybe.

I would like to rightfully expect more from people who claim they have the answers. Perhaps I became tainted back in the early '70s when I turned to Christians in my pursuit of knowledge about abortion. What I found then were people who were obviously uneducated, trying to tell us that abortion was wrong based upon incorrect and ignorant theses. Fortunately, I learned what I believe to be right before my Maker from other sources, but it is too bad that they jumped on the bandwagon in such a way that they made all believers look like idiots. I suppose I should bless them for trying, however. Back then, the only ones standing up for Life were the Roman Catholics.

As far as being in a different dispensation, I understand that this is what many believe. I just don't. :)



Giulia -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 9:19:38 PM)

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I'd always thought it was "born with a SILVER spoon in your mouth" meaning, among other things, naturally lucky, or privileged.. any takers?


ha,ha. My sister was born with the silver spoon, I got the fur dress, spotted like the sheep God gave Jacob. That depended on what my godmother brought us though so means no more than that, though suffice to say my sister is very well off and I am going crazy about God[:D]. The spotted cow that belonged to God, did I say cow[:o], ha,ha!

Thanks Coovan Meshuga[:D]! I don't think savedbygracemd understands what this thread is about, obviously not otherwise she/he wouldn't ask questions which I have answered.

Are you familiar with the bible savedbygracemd? Did you read all of what I have said here or have you just zoomed in on a few words?

I know God's power is lighter than gravity and more powerful than an atom blast and I know in His Presence everything goes uder there, it doesn't mean we literally start floating (though I don't doubt some may lol!). I know He is stronger than the sun's rays, yet I still need 15+ sunscreen or a hat so the sun doesn't get to me, so I am sking the same about the moon.



SavedByGraceMD -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 9:26:30 PM)

I apologize, if I was out of line.



SavedByGraceMD -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 9:28:28 PM)

Let me rephrase that, I apologize, I was out of line.

Sorry, my response was to your original post(Giulia), which was a little confusing, compared to your other follow up posts. I should know better to jump the gun without reading all the posts. So again sorry, my apologies.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Why do you think God wanted new moon worship initially? (5/4/2008 9:33:52 PM)

It is not for me to accept your apology, but I do anyway. I thank you for it. But you were not the only one, and I was becoming exasperated with the disrespect shown to the question. I, too, apologize.

Now, I understand how the young fighter felt when he asked a seious question which I did not take serioously, and we started bouncing around his thread with our brands of humor.



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