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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 4:43:13 PM
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pmilst
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ORIGINAL: Closie
Okay I read it again. The person who gets in office via your vote controls who is appointed to the judicial benches. Got it. My question is, do you think abortion will end if the Feds and state criminalize it?
Years ago I went through a school zone 45 mph and got a speeding ticket
because the school zone posting was 25mph. I paid over $200.00 for that ticket and have slowed down around school zones from that time to the present.
When certain actions are declared illegal by the local, state, or federal gov'ts, people tend to obey those laws. But, just like there will be people
who never slow down in a school zone no matter the fine, in like manner,
even if abortion is aganist the law, there will always be those who defy that law and induce labor at home, go to an illegal clinic, or cross a state or national border to receive an abortion. Convicted criminals under any law are an example that certain people will violate law, even knowing that the law exist. So, federal or state law aganist abortion will help diminish abortions, but some will have abortions despite the law.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 4:46:13 PM
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Closie
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ORIGINAL: Closie
Okay I read it again. The person who gets in office via your vote controls who is appointed to the judicial benches. Got it. My question is, do you think abortion will end if the Feds and state criminalize it?
Years ago I went through a school zone 45 mph and got a speeding ticket
because the school zone posting was 25mph. I paid over $200.00 for that ticket and have slowed down around school zones from that time to the present.
When certain actions are declared illegal by the local, state, or federal gov'ts, people tend to obey those laws. But, just like there will be people
who never slow down in a school zone no matter the fine, in like manner,
even if abortion is aganist the law, there will always be those who defy that law and induce labor at home, go to an illegal clinic, or cross a state or national border to receive an abortion. Convicted criminals under any law are an example that certain people will violate law, even knowing that the law exist. So, federal or state law aganist abortion will help diminish abortions, but some will have abortions despite the law.
Okay, so the laws won't stop it. Can anything else, beside electing the 'right' people diminish abortion?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 4:57:22 PM
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pmilst
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ORIGINAL: Closie
Okay I read it again. The person who gets in office via your vote controls who is appointed to the judicial benches. Got it. My question is, do you think abortion will end if the Feds and state criminalize it?
Years ago I went through a school zone 45 mph and got a speeding ticket
because the school zone posting was 25mph. I paid over $200.00 for that ticket and have slowed down around school zones from that time to the present.
When certain actions are declared illegal by the local, state, or federal gov'ts, people tend to obey those laws. But, just like there will be people
who never slow down in a school zone no matter the fine, in like manner,
even if abortion is aganist the law, there will always be those who defy that law and induce labor at home, go to an illegal clinic, or cross a state or national border to receive an abortion. Convicted criminals under any law are an example that certain people will violate law, even knowing that the law exist. So, federal or state law aganist abortion will help diminish abortions, but some will have abortions despite the law.
Okay, so the laws won't stop it. Can anything else, beside electing the 'right' people diminish abortion?
That question will have to wait till another day, got to lay down and sleep for awhile, work as an RN nurse on nights and I need my "beauty" sleep.
Let's try again another day. Good night.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 6:50:24 PM
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Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 8:08:02 PM
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Is preventing murder of innocent little lives intrusive? Man, I don't know where you're coming from!!!
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 8:29:27 PM
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ElmerFishpaw
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Some people don't see it as murder which is why it is still legal in this country. As I have said, if I were a woman, I would never have an abortion. I still believe a better way is to have a society in which a woman would be more likely not to abort...daycare, health care etc...
The way some Christians throw people under the bus is sickening. At my Mom's church they had a confrontation or some stupid thing to a girl who was pregnant out of wedlock.
She could have avoided that with an abortion, but she chose not to abort and had the baby and had to put up with the stigma of an unwed Mom in her Church...the girl couldn't win either way. Don't they call babies out of wedlock B.......ards still?
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Is preventing murder of innocent little lives intrusive? Man, I don't know where you're coming from!!!
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 8:57:20 AM
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Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them.
That is very true. I've read several articles on the politics of abortion, that discuss that very issue.
Abortion is a HUGE vote-getter. It is a big way to say "It's us v. them," and, sadly, politicos use it to their full advantage. A whole lot of rhetoric, and not much in the way of actually working to prevent abortions.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 9:10:29 AM
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Closie
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Years ago, while working on a campaign, Roe v Wade being overturned came up. A staffer in the incumbent's office said something like , "Shoot, If that weren't law of the land, I wouldn't have a job". She laughed. When no one else did, she tried to clean it up. I won't say which state or party, but the incumbent was a U.S. Senator from a Southern state.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 9:15:14 AM
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Is the "stigma" of having a child out of wedlock worse than living with the knowledge that you (not you personally, Elmer) have killed your child? There are many stories told by women who have had abortions, who later are filled with grief and remorse. I guess if you choose to "be of the world", not standing up for what is right, moral and Christian, then that's your choice. Sorry.
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Some people don't see it as murder which is why it is still legal in this country. As I have said, if I were a woman, I would never have an abortion. I still believe a better way is to have a society in which a woman would be more likely not to abort...daycare, health care etc...
The way some Christians throw people under the bus is sickening. At my Mom's church they had a confrontation or some stupid thing to a girl who was pregnant out of wedlock.
She could have avoided that with an abortion, but she chose not to abort and had the baby and had to put up with the stigma of an unwed Mom in her Church...the girl couldn't win either way. Don't they call babies out of wedlock B.......ards still?
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is preventing murder of innocent little lives intrusive? Man, I don't know where you're coming from!!!
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 12:45:55 PM
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ElmerFishpaw
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Funny, the Christian community always says "we are not of this world" but then are more than happy to try and dictate policy in it. As I said, some people don't believe killing a child is equal to an abortion...that's why it's legal. This girl is not being illegal whether abortion or child out of wedlock....the only scorn she faces is from the church community. My belief the the best way to lessen abortion (we will always have it in some form) is to vote for those who would put in place some of the safety nets in society....health care etc....
By all means everyone should vote their conscience whatever party you want.
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is the "stigma" of having a child out of wedlock worse than living with the knowledge that you (not you personally, Elmer) have killed your child? There are many stories told by women who have had abortions, who later are filled with grief and remorse. I guess if you choose to "be of the world", not standing up for what is right, moral and Christian, then that's your choice. Sorry.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Some people don't see it as murder which is why it is still legal in this country. As I have said, if I were a woman, I would never have an abortion. I still believe a better way is to have a society in which a woman would be more likely not to abort...daycare, health care etc...
The way some Christians throw people under the bus is sickening. At my Mom's church they had a confrontation or some stupid thing to a girl who was pregnant out of wedlock.
She could have avoided that with an abortion, but she chose not to abort and had the baby and had to put up with the stigma of an unwed Mom in her Church...the girl couldn't win either way. Don't they call babies out of wedlock B.......ards still?
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is preventing murder of innocent little lives intrusive? Man, I don't know where you're coming from!!!
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 2:20:11 PM
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UMM, president Bush baned partial Birth Abortion. We vote, we have a say. and we vote like we think is Christlike.
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Funny, the Christian community always says "we are not of this world" but then are more than happy to try and dictate policy in it. As I said, some people don't believe killing a child is equal to an abortion...that's why it's legal. This girl is not being illegal whether abortion or child out of wedlock....the only scorn she faces is from the church community. My belief the the best way to lessen abortion (we will always have it in some form) is to vote for those who would put in place some of the safety nets in society....health care etc....
By all means everyone should vote their conscience whatever party you want.
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is the "stigma" of having a child out of wedlock worse than living with the knowledge that you (not you personally, Elmer) have killed your child? There are many stories told by women who have had abortions, who later are filled with grief and remorse. I guess if you choose to "be of the world", not standing up for what is right, moral and Christian, then that's your choice. Sorry.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Some people don't see it as murder which is why it is still legal in this country. As I have said, if I were a woman, I would never have an abortion. I still believe a better way is to have a society in which a woman would be more likely not to abort...daycare, health care etc...
The way some Christians throw people under the bus is sickening. At my Mom's church they had a confrontation or some stupid thing to a girl who was pregnant out of wedlock.
She could have avoided that with an abortion, but she chose not to abort and had the baby and had to put up with the stigma of an unwed Mom in her Church...the girl couldn't win either way. Don't they call babies out of wedlock B.......ards still?
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is preventing murder of innocent little lives intrusive? Man, I don't know where you're coming from!!!
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 2:33:30 PM
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ElmerFishpaw
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As well you should vote your beliefs.....I come at it from another angle to lessen abortions...that being have the safety nets in society so that keeping a baby is viable. I don't believe the Republican party would do that.
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
UMM, president Bush baned partial Birth Abortion. We vote, we have a say. and we vote like we think is Christlike.
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Funny, the Christian community always says "we are not of this world" but then are more than happy to try and dictate policy in it. As I said, some people don't believe killing a child is equal to an abortion...that's why it's legal. This girl is not being illegal whether abortion or child out of wedlock....the only scorn she faces is from the church community. My belief the the best way to lessen abortion (we will always have it in some form) is to vote for those who would put in place some of the safety nets in society....health care etc....
By all means everyone should vote their conscience whatever party you want.
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is the "stigma" of having a child out of wedlock worse than living with the knowledge that you (not you personally, Elmer) have killed your child? There are many stories told by women who have had abortions, who later are filled with grief and remorse. I guess if you choose to "be of the world", not standing up for what is right, moral and Christian, then that's your choice. Sorry.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Some people don't see it as murder which is why it is still legal in this country. As I have said, if I were a woman, I would never have an abortion. I still believe a better way is to have a society in which a woman would be more likely not to abort...daycare, health care etc...
The way some Christians throw people under the bus is sickening. At my Mom's church they had a confrontation or some stupid thing to a girl who was pregnant out of wedlock.
She could have avoided that with an abortion, but she chose not to abort and had the baby and had to put up with the stigma of an unwed Mom in her Church...the girl couldn't win either way. Don't they call babies out of wedlock B.......ards still?
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is preventing murder of innocent little lives intrusive? Man, I don't know where you're coming from!!!
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 2:40:23 PM
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I will speak from knowing someone very well who had an abortion, the guilt, the grief, and pain has never left, or ever will. And really two people the babies and womans life is ruined.
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As well you should vote your beliefs.....I come at it from another angle to lessen abortions...that being have the safety nets in society so that keeping a baby is viable. I don't believe the Republican party would do that.
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
UMM, president Bush baned partial Birth Abortion. We vote, we have a say. and we vote like we think is Christlike.
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Funny, the Christian community always says "we are not of this world" but then are more than happy to try and dictate policy in it. As I said, some people don't believe killing a child is equal to an abortion...that's why it's legal. This girl is not being illegal whether abortion or child out of wedlock....the only scorn she faces is from the church community. My belief the the best way to lessen abortion (we will always have it in some form) is to vote for those who would put in place some of the safety nets in society....health care etc....
By all means everyone should vote their conscience whatever party you want.
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is the "stigma" of having a child out of wedlock worse than living with the knowledge that you (not you personally, Elmer) have killed your child? There are many stories told by women who have had abortions, who later are filled with grief and remorse. I guess if you choose to "be of the world", not standing up for what is right, moral and Christian, then that's your choice. Sorry.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Some people don't see it as murder which is why it is still legal in this country. As I have said, if I were a woman, I would never have an abortion. I still believe a better way is to have a society in which a woman would be more likely not to abort...daycare, health care etc...
The way some Christians throw people under the bus is sickening. At my Mom's church they had a confrontation or some stupid thing to a girl who was pregnant out of wedlock.
She could have avoided that with an abortion, but she chose not to abort and had the baby and had to put up with the stigma of an unwed Mom in her Church...the girl couldn't win either way. Don't they call babies out of wedlock B.......ards still?
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is preventing murder of innocent little lives intrusive? Man, I don't know where you're coming from!!!
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 2:54:05 PM
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I'm sure she felt that way absolutely. Some women wouldn't be affected that way....which is probably another reason it's kept legal and safe for women to choose that option. Not everyone views the world through Christian eyes and their beliefs are just as valid.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/15/2008 4:17:06 PM
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davemiller7
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Being "of the world" means being caught up in the sinful ways of the world, rather than being committed to Christ who was "not of this world." If the church community truly scorns this woman, they are not behaving in a Christian manner. The Bible tells us to hate the sin but love the sinner.
-Dave
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Funny, the Christian community always says "we are not of this world" but then are more than happy to try and dictate policy in it. As I said, some people don't believe killing a child is equal to an abortion...that's why it's legal. This girl is not being illegal whether abortion or child out of wedlock....the only scorn she faces is from the church community. My belief the the best way to lessen abortion (we will always have it in some form) is to vote for those who would put in place some of the safety nets in society....health care etc....
By all means everyone should vote their conscience whatever party you want.
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is the "stigma" of having a child out of wedlock worse than living with the knowledge that you (not you personally, Elmer) have killed your child? There are many stories told by women who have had abortions, who later are filled with grief and remorse. I guess if you choose to "be of the world", not standing up for what is right, moral and Christian, then that's your choice. Sorry.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Some people don't see it as murder which is why it is still legal in this country. As I have said, if I were a woman, I would never have an abortion. I still believe a better way is to have a society in which a woman would be more likely not to abort...daycare, health care etc...
The way some Christians throw people under the bus is sickening. At my Mom's church they had a confrontation or some stupid thing to a girl who was pregnant out of wedlock.
She could have avoided that with an abortion, but she chose not to abort and had the baby and had to put up with the stigma of an unwed Mom in her Church...the girl couldn't win either way. Don't they call babies out of wedlock B.......ards still?
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Is preventing murder of innocent little lives intrusive? Man, I don't know where you're coming from!!!
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: ElmerFishpaw
Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'll talk about it to get your vote, but abortion is a big money raiser for them. People will give because they believe the Republicans will do something about it, but really I would vote Democratic (I"m registered Green Party) as they probably would have more mechanisms in place (universal health care, assistance, day care etc) that would make a woman more want to keep a baby. Anyway...chubby, pasty, older white men have no business trying to control a womans body. I would never have an abortion if I were a woman, but you know Republicans want government less intrusive, but dictating what a woman should do with her body is about as intrusive as it gets sheesh!
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/16/2008 7:16:46 AM
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In this country it really doesn't matter who we vote for. Voting based on a single issue isn't a good idea. Just got to vote your conscience. If you vote based on moral issues, well then there wouldn't be any politicians left. We have greed, dishonesty, prideful people, power hungry, lovers of money, people who don't honor God, and etc.
You just got to ask yourself, what would Jesus do? My guess is Jesus probably wouldn't vote at all because he would know whats really in their hearts.
I compare our government leaders to the Pharisees of Jesus' time and I don't see much difference.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/16/2008 9:16:06 AM
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Okay, so the laws won't stop it. Can anything else, beside electing the 'right' people diminish abortion?
Abortion will never be deminished as long as "sin" is in the world. Nor will murder, slavery, child molestation or stealing. However there are things we can do to help curb and prevent it.
There are also things we can do to "encourage" slavery, murder, abortion, child molestation.......
Either we help to encourage something or help to curb it. What shall we do? Oh that is such a hard question. 
(I hope you realize that we still "do" have slavery in THIS country....shall we just go ahead full speed ahead and change the laws because we have not been able to "abolish" slavery completely?)
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/16/2008 9:24:37 AM
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Don't they call babies out of wedlock B.......ards still?
Only those people who are "pro choice".
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As I said, some people don't believe killing a child is equal to an abortion...that's why it's legal
And some people don't believe that having sex with children is the same as rape. Should we change those laws as well? Should we try to give those men who desire to have sex with small boys and girls some "safety net"?
You honestly have a straw man argument.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/16/2008 9:28:48 AM
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Not everyone views the world through Christian eyes and their beliefs are just as valid.
I take it you are not a Christian.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/16/2008 9:38:43 AM
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Voting based on a single issue isn't a good idea.
What if the issue was slavery?
The state taking your children at age 4 and placing them into state run institutions until they were 18 because paretns are too stupid to know how to rasie their own children?
What if the issue was not allowing preachers to preach the "entire" word of God?
What if the issue was personal property ownership?
What if the issue was people right to vote in the future?
What if the issue was murder of children?
(The one large group of people that Jesus didn't address in his day were the Essenes - nor are they metioned in the bible at all - One of Jesus apostles was a zealot and Jesus didn't scorn him for being one. based on those facts and the fact that Jesus appears to have worked, attended funerals, weddings and other regular activites of his day just like the other people he lived with - I believe Jesus would vote if he lived in the USA today)
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