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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 2:38:32 PM
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JimboFletch
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Comparing monkeys to black people racist.
Will always be in the context of this cartoon if you let it. You let "racist" have power over you. I choose not to
MLK once observed to the effect that nobody can make you feel inferior unless you give them permission. He was right, even if the younger generations have forgotten the way the country was when he said that.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 2:40:52 PM
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Why don't you just call me a liar - a white, racist liar - and be done with it. I respect honesty in anyone, regardless of their political preferences...
I was mullng over if that would be pc. I don't think your racist per se.
so I would'nt have included that word.
Lots of slave masters had half black and white children, are they racist?
I think you a Christian that lives in South Ala. you told me you are white, and a liar? and you look like Andy.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 2:41:23 PM
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TomTurn
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even if the younger generations have forgotten the way the country was when he said that.
Does not bode well for the poverty pimps and race huslters who need racism to continue.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 2:42:41 PM
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I am as conservative as they come and I still think that shirt is blatantly racist.
I live in TX and I still hear black people called apes, monkeys or chimps thats why that shirt is wrong. If black people were never called those names then it wouldn't be racist but they are called those names.
I have never heard of another race referred to in thay way. Ever.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 2:49:34 PM
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TomTurn
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I have never heard of another race referred to in thay way.
Again, Who was the "ape baboon of the prairie"?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 2:56:47 PM
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Tom, you nailed it!!
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I just find it so interesting that those who say the most we have to get past racism are the ones who cry the loudest when it is gotten past. It will never end becasue you do not want it to end.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:00:55 PM
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JimboFletch
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I have never heard of another race referred to in thay way. Ever.
Some of my ancestors were referred to in that way in Victorian England.
In much of the pseudo-scientific literature of the day the Irish were held to be inferior, an example of a lower evolutionary form, closer to the apes than their "superiors", the Anglo-Saxons . Cartoons in Punch portrayed the Irish as having bestial, ape-like or demonic features and the Irishman, (especially the political radical) was invariably given a long or prognathous jaw, the stigmata to the phrenologists of a lower evolutionary order, degeneracy, or criminality.
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I've seen Nazi propaganda that depicted Jews and other "undesirables" as apish creatures.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:02:02 PM
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Again, Who was the "ape baboon of the prairie"?
I don't know and I don't think it matters.
Black people as a group are called those names now and in the past, to insult them, to say that they look like them and act like them and that thinking was used to deny black people civil rights.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:05:46 PM
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I don't know and I don't think it matters.
Seems to in this conversation
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Black people as a group are called those names now and in the past, to insult them, to say that they look like them and act like them and that thinking was used to deny black people civil rights.
OK, now why give that more power? Why hang on to that?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:07:53 PM
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Did you see this?
I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw [in Ireland] . . . I don't believe they are our fault. . . . But to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black, one would not feel it so much. . . ." (Charles Kingsley in a letter to his wife, quoted in L.P. Curtis, Anglo-Saxons and Celts, p.84).
Can you really tell the difference between Irish and English? I can't. White is white.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:09:48 PM
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No one is "hanging on to it" Recognizing it and confronting it is what is going on. If no one calls the racist on their actions, history could repeat itself..we could go backwards. Moving forward means dealing honestly with issues, not pretending they don't exist.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:11:18 PM
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If there is nothing wrong with that shirt you should have no problem calling black people those names now.
< Message edited by worthaboverubies -- 5/16/2008 3:19:54 PM >
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:13:08 PM
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Seems to in this conversation
No it doesn't. It only matters to you. It is your justification for the shirt.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:13:11 PM
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You should go to NY or NJ. It's not only blacks, but Italians, Spaniards, French, Germans, Irish,and on and on. Pretty much everyone but the blacks have gotten over the names, even joke about it. The Italians and Irish were particularly hated when they immigrated, but they got over it. For a long time, most mobsters in the movies and tv have been Italian. In order for race relations to ever progress, both sides have to give a little. It can't be all one-sided and it can't only be whites who are racist.
As for the tee shirts, I haven't seen either of them (I lead a sheltered life  ). I think they are both probably in poor taste, but worth getting our undies in a knot? I'm sure some think so, (principle, don't you know), but I don't, for whatever that may be worth.
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I am as conservative as they come and I still think that shirt is blatantly racist.
I live in TX and I still hear black people called apes, monkeys or chimps thats why that shirt is wrong. If black people were never called those names then it wouldn't be racist but they are called those names.
I have never heard of another race referred to in thay way. Ever.
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
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Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:13:18 PM
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TomTurn
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Recognizing it and confronting it is what is going on. If no one calls the racist on their actions, history could repeat itself..we could go backwards. Moving forward means dealing honestly with issues, not pretending they don't exist.
All this over a cartoon shirt while children in the U.S. are shot for being black. All I see are really screwed up priorities by people it seems who would not know reality if it came up, slapped them in the face and called them by name.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:14:25 PM
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Somebody makes a T-shirt with Obama depicted as a monkey and black folks are just oversensitive. Poor fella who made the shirt dint mean nothing by it. Get over it.
Obama makes a statement about some people he met in Pennsylvania being "bitter" and clinging to stuff, and the ENTIRE white race takes offense because that statement proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama hates white people. EVEN white people who live in California and never owned a gun in their life assumed Obama was specifically ridiculing them and will be forever scarred by his insensitive unpatriotic, racist remarks. Some people here still haven't gotten over the "bitter" comments.
Now watch. There are white people (male and female) who grew up in the south who've been called "honey" and "sweetie" and "sugar" all their lives by everyone from the Waffle House waitress to their bosses and never raised an eyebrow, who will now swear they've been offended by Obama calling a reporter "sweetie", and this was an insult to all white women (and white men who want to be white women). So now, in addition to being racist, unpatriotic, marxist, elitist (i.e., uppity)....we can now add, SEXIST.
But who am I to criticize, I'm just a ....
"Bitter black man who hasn't gotten over being depicted as an ape yet."
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:14:28 PM
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TomTurn
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It is your justification for the shirt.
I give the shirt no power. It is a stupid shirt
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:15:43 PM
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Historically, the race, country, whatever, that has the most power views itself as superior. It has been this way since civilization began. Examine the views posed by the ancient Egyptians, the Romans, the Saxons, etc. Racism is a by-product of power. Here in America the power base has shifted considerably in the past 40 years. I think racism on the whole has been reduced significantly, but the media has a fascination with sensationalizing any conflict and making it appear more than it really is. That does not excuse racism at all, but this slant is aggravating the situation and pushing us backwards in the healing process.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:15:53 PM
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JimboFletch
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Did you see this?
I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw [in Ireland] . . . I don't believe they are our fault. . . . But to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black, one would not feel it so much. . . ." (Charles Kingsley in a letter to his wife, quoted in L.P. Curtis, Anglo-Saxons and Celts, p.84).
Can you really tell the difference between Irish and English? I can't. White is white.
One of the most racist people I've ever been around are Japanese. They claim that Koreans and Chinese are distinctly inferior in appearance and intellect...
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:23:47 PM
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TomTurn
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I think racism on the whole has been reduced significantly, but the media has a fascination with sensationalizing any conflict and making it appear more than it really is. That does not excuse racism at all, but this slant is aggravating the situation and pushing us backwards in the healing process.
Ditto or keeping people from looking at admitting real race problems
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 3:39:05 PM
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Somebody makes a T-shirt with Obama depicted as a monkey and black folks are just oversensitive. Poor fella who made the shirt dint mean nothing by it. Get over it.
Obama makes a statement about some people he met in Pennsylvania being "bitter" and clinging to stuff, and the ENTIRE white race takes offense because that statement proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama hates white people. EVEN white people who live in California and never owned a gun in their life assumed Obama was specifically ridiculing them and will be forever scarred by his insensitive unpatriotic, racist remarks. Some people here still haven't gotten over the "bitter" comments.
Now watch. There are white people (male and female) who grew up in the south who've been called "honey" and "sweetie" and "sugar" all their lives by everyone from the Waffle House waitress to their bosses and never raised an eyebrow, who will now swear they've been offended by Obama calling a reporter "sweetie", and this was an insult to all white women (and white men who want to be white women). So now, in addition to being racist, unpatriotic, marxist, elitist (i.e., uppity)....we can now add, SEXIST.
But who am I to criticize, I'm just a ....
"Bitter black man who hasn't gotten over being depicted as an ape yet."
Yeah, I think it’s extremely sad that in this day age, such a thing isn’t seen as the epitome of racism, which it is. Indeed, this is the essence of racism, the depiction of certain groups of people as being less than people – and it should be seen as believers as an affront not only to blacks, but an offense to God Himself because it depicts those made in his image as common animals. It borders on the demonic.
It rather saddens me that those who strongly disagree with Obama politically (of whom I’m one) can’t rally to his defense as a person, and strongly condemn in no uncertain words people who would do such a thing. It’s shameful, ignorant, and repugnant, and that man should be held up as an example of the worst of us.
Unfortunately, in this day and age the personal and political are seen as one and the
same, and so this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:00:22 PM
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The only time I heard it referrenced in my 65 years (other than on this forum and by liberals) was a the Memphis Zoo a few years past, as my wife and I were watching their prize gorilla "Dinga) go through his antict, a black family standing next to us, was laughing uncontrollably and hollering loudly how "Uncle George" looks just like and acts just the same as "Dinga" the gorilla.
Now was that racist?
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Now that you've heard that some people feel it's offensive, might you encourage or discourage your grandson from referring to black people as apes? Should you hear him say it, might you chastise him, educate him, or ignore it. I'm not saying that he did or that you did.
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